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Senate Immigration Reform Bill Takes Step Toward the Grave
Fox News ^ | June 27, 2007 | Major Garrett and Trish Turner

Posted on 06/27/2007 4:58:17 PM PDT by notes2005

WASHINGTON — The fragile immigration reform bill crafted in the Senate faces sudden death Thursday when a second vote is scheduled to shut down a filibuster.

If supporters don't get the 60 votes they need to end debate, then the bill is dead since the Senate schedule does not allow any more time to revive the legislation.

In an unusual admission, two leadership aides — one Democrat, one Republican — told FOX News that they have no idea how the vote will go. Vote-counting is something that is normally down to a science in the Senate chamber. The vote to end debate, called "cloture," is expected at 10:30 a.m. ET.

The mood in the Senate took a perceptible shift Wednesday as lawmakers decided not to "table," or send into permanent limbo, one of the 27 amendments approved for debate. That amendment was designed to weaken worker verification standards that are key to the measure's approach to reducing the ability of illegals to obtain work with fraudulent documents.

The Senate vote, 45-52, not to kill the amendment stops all momentum toward passage, something the White House and bipartisan Senate leadership hoped to achieve by Friday.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


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1 posted on 06/27/2007 4:58:20 PM PDT by notes2005
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To: notes2005

Late Wednesday, two Republicans, Sens. Kit Bond of Missouri and Richard Burr of North Carolina, told FOX News that they will switch their vote and not try to prevent the filibuster. One Democrat who never votes against cloture, Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, also told FOX News that he will vote “no” this time.

“Enough is enough. There have been seven cloture votes I’ve voted yes on. This is an extraordinary circumstance. But enough is enough. ... This clay pigeon is looking like a dead duck,” Nelson said.

The clay pigeon refers to the amendments that were introduced as one large package shot into 27 smaller pieces to prevent anyone from being able to block the bill. Critics have said Reid’s decision to use the clay pigeon was high-handed, and both Bond and Burr said they don’t consider it to be a fair process.

At least nine other senators told FOX News they are undecided or leaning toward a no vote. They include Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor, Jim Webb, Jeff Bingaman, Robert Menendez and Republican Sens. Ted Stevens, Lisa Murkowski, Pete Domenici, Judd Gregg and John Ensign.


2 posted on 06/27/2007 5:00:48 PM PDT by notes2005
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To: notes2005
The Senate will conduct no more votes on nearly 20 more amendments to the Senate bill until it conducts the next procedural vote early Thursday. The vote, on whether to shut down debate and move to final passage, now appears likely to lose the extra bit of Republican support it had picked up during Tuesday's vote to continue working on the comprehensive package.

Tuesday's vote to move onto the bill was 64-35, four votes more than was needed to keep the legislation alive. But if five Republicans are lost as a result of the amendment, then it's bye-bye bill.

3 posted on 06/27/2007 5:01:51 PM PDT by Plutarch (Bush is a coward to the left and a tyrant to the right.)
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To: notes2005
I just finished this darn picture and I'm going to get my use out of it.


4 posted on 06/27/2007 5:02:57 PM PDT by infidel29 (Amnesia International: Forget about the atrocities of the left, they meant well.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amnesty ping!


5 posted on 06/27/2007 5:03:07 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: notes2005

I wouldn’t put it past these clowns to leak to the press to make it look dead in order to squelch the massive amounts of calls. There are people like Kyle would take solace in a reduction in angry callers.


6 posted on 06/27/2007 5:04:11 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: notes2005

This article is a must read. It looks like the Bill will be Killed!


7 posted on 06/27/2007 5:05:07 PM PDT by Plutarch (Bush is a coward to the left and a tyrant to the right.)
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To: Man50D

I think all these morons were postponing the inevitable. Now that Cheney is lined up, they will kill this and go after him.

If it isn’t one thing it is another.


8 posted on 06/27/2007 5:05:46 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (If your representative will not vote for Term Limits, vote for the candidate who will.)
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To: notes2005
Senate Immigration Reform Bill Takes Step Toward the Grave

Let's hope so.

I want to see existing law enforced.

9 posted on 06/27/2007 5:05:54 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: everyone

Any word on Brownback, Ensign, Pryor, or Webb?

I think these four will make the difference either way.


10 posted on 06/27/2007 5:08:25 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: the_Watchman

I don’t believe individual senators who say they’re switching would be trying to fool us at this point.


11 posted on 06/27/2007 5:09:35 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Plutarch

Baloney, this bill is being pushed and shoved by forces beyond the public knowledge. Be they One World, American Union, American debt buyers, bankers, corporation or good old socialists. I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.


12 posted on 06/27/2007 5:10:06 PM PDT by veracious
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To: infidel29

It’s a good pic, thanks for posting it for our “enjoyment”


13 posted on 06/27/2007 5:10:33 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: infidel29

LOL. That image is perfect.


14 posted on 06/27/2007 5:12:24 PM PDT by kcar
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To: the_Watchman

I’m sure that all of Voinovich’s phones have been taken off the hook.


15 posted on 06/27/2007 5:16:58 PM PDT by RightthinkinAmerican (If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do Humanitarians eat?)
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To: infidel29

ROTF!


16 posted on 06/27/2007 5:17:34 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA (''Don't tread on the FRED!'' Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: infidel29

LOL!!


17 posted on 06/27/2007 5:20:22 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Without the fence, deporting illegals is like shoveling water.)
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To: veracious
I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.

The perfidy of the forces pushing this bill knows no bounds. They have to get 60 votes, however, and this article provides evidence that things are tipping our way. The loss of the Clay Pigeon appears key.

19 posted on 06/27/2007 5:21:54 PM PDT by Plutarch (Bush is a coward to the left and a tyrant to the right.)
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To: infidel29

Awesome pic, infidel! Did you do that? It rocks, wish I’d seen it a week ago to send to the latest McCain fundraising letter I got.


20 posted on 06/27/2007 5:22:51 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: notes2005; SirJohnBarleycorn

“The vote, on whether to shut down debate and move to final passage, now appears likely to lose the extra bit of Republican support it had picked up during Tuesday’s vote to continue working on the comprehensive package.”

Could lose Democratic support too, Obama may not like debate on his amendment cut off by the whim of the rulers. I don’t see why an avid and sincere supporter of the bill wouldn’t mind more debate.


21 posted on 06/27/2007 5:23:33 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: infidel29

22 posted on 06/27/2007 5:24:56 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Without the fence, deporting illegals is like shoveling water.)
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To: veracious

The 2 Senators for debating this issue in the am are Kennedy and Spectre. Sessions asked for time in the am and was refused. He had to use his time left this evening. He also asked if it was proper procedure to allow the debaters in the am to be proponents of this shamnesty.


23 posted on 06/27/2007 5:26:15 PM PDT by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: Plutarch
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
24 posted on 06/27/2007 5:34:05 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: notes2005

Once it is clear that the 60 votes are not there, why would any of the guys on the fence walk the plank and vote for cloture? Wouldn’t it be likely almost all of these guys vote no? I would think all of the rats would start jumping off of the sinking ship.


25 posted on 06/27/2007 5:35:57 PM PDT by Oldhunk
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To: infidel29
Great poster. I was your were quicker. We could have used it at the RNC FReep.

[Mr] T

26 posted on 06/27/2007 5:35:59 PM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: veracious

“”Baloney, this bill is being pushed and shoved by forces beyond the public knowledge. Be they One World, American Union, American debt buyers, bankers, corporation or good old socialists. I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.””

Good points.


27 posted on 06/27/2007 5:36:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: notes2005
A report from Bloomberg is stating the same thing.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=a3MLP26VTFMU

28 posted on 06/27/2007 5:40:27 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Oldhunk

That’s hopefully just the way it works. :)

With momentum building to kill this beast once and for all the vote against it may be as lopsided as it was last time.


29 posted on 06/27/2007 5:42:16 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: notes2005
Sens. Kit Bond of Missouri and Richard Burr of North Carolina, told FOX News that they will switch their vote (to no). Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, also told FOX News that he will vote “no” this time. nine other senators told FOX News they are undecided or leaning toward a no vote. They include Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor, Jim Webb, Jeff Bingaman, Robert Menendez and Republican Sens. Ted Stevens, Lisa Murkowski, Pete Domenici, Judd Gregg and John Ensign.

IT'S ALL GOOD NEWS!!

30 posted on 06/27/2007 5:42:49 PM PDT by Buzzm1
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To: notes2005

What’s the new latest bill number?


31 posted on 06/27/2007 5:43:15 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: California Patriot
Here is the problem with Ensign:

Ensign was born in Roseville, California to Sharon Lee Cipriani and a father whose surname was "Mueller"; his maternal grandfather was of Italian descent.[1] Ensign's family moved to Nevada when he was a child. His mother remarried Michael S. Ensign, a gaming industry executive who subsequently became chairman of the board of directors of Mandalay Bay,[2] and who adopted John. Ensign went to UNLV, Oregon State University, and Colorado State University, becoming a veterinarian in 1985. He then became a successful businessman, opening a 24-hour animal hospital in Las Vegas.

Nuf said.

32 posted on 06/27/2007 5:44:08 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: infidel29; monkapotamus
monk, you've got some serious Photoshop competition here. LOL.

That's some beautiful work, infidel29.
33 posted on 06/27/2007 5:44:53 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudi & McVain: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: infidel29; All

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Toll free to the US Senate:

1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)

Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!


34 posted on 06/27/2007 5:45:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: infidel29

Clever.

Glenn Beck (on the radio show) had a “commercial” for the organization that these senators have joined.

It was called the Amnesty Society Safe Harbor Of Legal Equalization. (of course the acronym is....)


35 posted on 06/27/2007 5:46:25 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: notes2005
I bet nobody is more relieved at this turn of events than Hillary and Obama.

It was a huge no-win for them.

36 posted on 06/27/2007 5:48:47 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: notes2005

Let’s all grab a shovel (and hand them out to friends and relatives)

http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet


37 posted on 06/27/2007 5:50:04 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet)
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To: notes2005

Please feel free to use at will:

The “path to citizenship” is NOT the objection to the current immigration bill!
It is the immediate “legalization” without having first secured the border, provided for meaningful background checks, and subsequent issuance of tamperproof IDs.
It is that “probationary status” is renewable every four years.
It is lack of a system to manage the VISIT system, which would keep track of people who overstay their VISAs.
It is the tripling of chain migration, before closing the door in 2016.
There is no true incentive for illegal immigrants to get on the path to citizenship!
And finally, I object to the proponents of this bill pretending that I’m a racist, instead of addressing my true objections above.


38 posted on 06/27/2007 5:51:11 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Now that Cheney is lined up, they will kill this and go after him.

I'm asking myself whether I should care at this point. Bush and Cheney...nothing left for them in my heart now. And long investigations and hearings and impeachment proceedings would preclude any further work on their shamnesty plot with Chappaquiddick Ted.

I told my Dim senator's office today they could impeach Bush and I just wouldn't even care any more. And that's the way I feel. With this shamnesty, I've been stabbed once too many times in the back by Lyndon Baines Bush. What I can't forgive now is the utter betrayal and the hatred these people have for us, their own base supporters, who voted them into office, who helped win the Battle For Floriduh, who have supported them very loyally through thick and thin (except Brownie-Katrina, Dubai, Harriet).

If they hate us so much after we've tolerated so much from them, I'm done with them. They can just go away.
39 posted on 06/27/2007 5:52:41 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudi & McVain: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: dawn53
Yup clever. :)

What a tough decision it would be naming a president to that exclusive club considering they're all equally qualified:

Ted Kennedy
John McYellowStain
George Bush

40 posted on 06/27/2007 5:54:56 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: notes2005
One thing that makes me nervous in these news accounts is the report of Richard Burr saying he will vote against cloture.

I have been watching this weasel like a hawk. If he actually said this, it will be the very first plain statement he has ever made.

Everything...EVERYTHING...he has said up to now has been loaded up with tricky wording which sought to allow the questioner to hear what he wanted to hear but gave the weasel an escape clause.

I lost it today and told the weasel (via email)...well, better not repeat it here. It was not a threat...just good, old-testament-style damnation!

I was tired of sweet reason and decided to let him taste the rage.

41 posted on 06/27/2007 5:58:29 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: veracious

“I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.”

I think this was their grandest trick. It was made knowing that what the really want, mass legalization, could never be passed on its own, but under the confusion of “comprehensivity” and keeping many in check by imparting fears of being called racist. On its own, I think, or at least they think, Z Visas and the like could never pass. Any such bill would end up only amnestying people who have been here for twenty years with American born children, and that would go down hard.

Non-enforcement is a route, but as Kyl and others said, the powers that be are worried the states might start enforcing federal immigration law.


42 posted on 06/27/2007 5:58:51 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: notes2005
If this monstrosity if killed - and please Heaven make it so - then Bush has only two choices:

He can do nothing about securing the border, i.e. the status quo. This would seem to be his preferred choice.

Or, he could finally, after six and a half years, get serious about border control and employer sanctions, i.e. enforce existing law. Since he has declared the status quo to be a "crisis," this would be the logical choice - but does anybody expect logic?

43 posted on 06/27/2007 6:01:12 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Fresh Wind

You need one more level.

Politions

Voters

Taxpayers


44 posted on 06/27/2007 6:02:22 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: veracious
I believe they’ll try every trick in the book to get this done. Until then keep your eyes wide open.

We sure do have to say on top of it.

But, I believe that, in the end, we will win the cloture vote with more than five votes to spare! Not close.

These things tend to avalanche toward the end, one way or the other. And the failure of the clay pigeon means few senators have had even a pretend shot at their amendments. Thus, they have good cover to do what they want to do anyway because they are now more afraid of the pitchforks than anything else.

(Disclaimer: I don't know what I am talking about.)

45 posted on 06/27/2007 6:06:29 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: mad_as_he$$
Here is the problem with Ensign: Ensign was born in Roseville, California to Sharon Lee Cipriani and a father whose surname was "Mueller"; his maternal grandfather was of Italian descent.[1] Ensign's family moved to Nevada when he was a child. His mother remarried Michael S. Ensign, a gaming industry executive who subsequently became chairman of the board of directors of Mandalay Bay,[2] and who adopted John. Ensign went to UNLV, Oregon State University, and Colorado State University, becoming a veterinarian in 1985. He then became a successful businessman, opening a 24-hour animal hospital in Las Vegas.

Nuf said.

I'm intrigued. The Mandalay Bay connection is good, casinos are pushing for big wage depressions, especially as they have increasingly more like resorts over the years.

But what do the other things have to do with this? Veterinarians?

46 posted on 06/27/2007 6:06:35 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: notes2005

DIE! DAMM YOU!

47 posted on 06/27/2007 6:09:32 PM PDT by tophat9000 (My 2008 grassroots Republican platform: Build the fence, enforce the laws, and win the damm WAR!)
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To: notes2005
Here is a list of the key staff contacts of the “Amnesty 8” Senators that are most likely to be persuaded to vote no on Thursday and derail amnesty. Many offices are putting calls straight to voicemail and they can just trash faxes (and letters take weeks to get through due to security). Hit Hill staff where they are so codependent - their Blackberries! Send email directly to staff - not just the generic Senate office mailbox. Contact their Chief of Staff, Legislative Director, and Press Secretary. Make your voice heard!!

For the Democrats, I would strongly suggest taking a pro-union/anti-illegal alien stance (i.e. “they are taking our jobs”) rather than using the conservative national security angle.

Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Chief of Staff
tim_becker@bennelson.senate.gov

Legislative Director
christiana_gallagher@bennelson.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
david_dimartino@bennelson.senate.gov

Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Chief of Staff
bob_russell@pryor.senate.gov

Legislative Director
andy_york@pryor.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
michael_teague@pryor.senate.gov
lisa_ackerman@pryor.senate.gov

Senator Jim Webb (D-VA)
Chief of Staff
paul_reagan@webb.senate.gov

Legislative Director
mike_sozan@webb.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
jessica_smith@webb.senate.gov

Senator Kit Bond (R-MO)
Chief of Staff
brian_klippenstein@bond.senate.gov

Legislative Director
kara_smith@bond.senate.gov

Communications Director
shana_marchio@bond.senate.gov

Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Chief of Staff
glen_chambers@brownback.senate.gov

Domestic Policy Advisor
brian_robertson@brownback.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
john_rankin@brownback.senate.gov
brian_hart@brownback.senate.gov

Senator Richard Burr (R-NC)
Chief of Staff
alicia_peterson-clark@burr.senate.gov
alicia_peterson-petersonclark@burr.senate.gov

Legislative Director
natasha_hickman@burr.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
laura_caudell@burr.senate.gov
mark_williams@burr.senate.gov

Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN)
Chief of Staff
jennifer_lowe@coleman.senate.gov

Deputy Chief of Staff
lucia_lebens@coleman.senate.gov

Legislative Director
lorianne_moss@coleman.senate.gov

Communications Director
tom_steward@coleman.senate.gov
tom_stewart@coleman.senate.gov

Press Secretary
leroy_coleman@coleman.senate.gov

Senator John Ensign (R-NV)
Chief of Staff
john_lopez@ensign.senate.gov

Legislative Director
pam_thiessen@ensign.senate.gov

Press Secretary/Communications Director
tory_mazzola@ensign.senate.gov
jack_finn@ensign.senate.gov
don_tatro@ensign.senate.gov

48 posted on 06/27/2007 6:09:47 PM PDT by caphillbabe
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To: George W. Bush

Ditto, on the great job....

You’re hired!


49 posted on 06/27/2007 6:12:31 PM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady
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To: Graybeard58
I want to see existing law enforced.

That, unfortunately, won't happen until we get a new - Conservative - chief executive.

Notice I didn't say Republican, not that I'm saying that a Dem would be "conservative" on this issue (or any issue), just that the Republican Party, for the most part, has left the reservation, and wants to create a "Political Class" with the Dems.. We need new blood.

We seriously need new blood.

50 posted on 06/27/2007 6:24:21 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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