Posted on 06/27/2007 8:38:15 PM PDT by Mount Athos
>>Since very, very, few people know latin, how will congregants know if the priest is doing it correctly? Ad hominum, et tu libre von, Amen?<<
I trust that the “Dead and Dying” will keep us informed.
But my husband, who is definitely NOT a languages man (he's a GA Tech man with a chemistry degree who has drifted into IT), has no trouble following the Mass in the bilingual missal. The Latin is straightforward and not difficult, it's interspersed with visible actions and movement by the priest, deacons, and altar boys (which are all outlined in the missal). Parts of the Mass are said quietly by the priest at the altar, but when he reaches the end of those parts, he always says the last sentence very loudly, so you just pick up there.
And once you've attended Mass a few times you can follow right along as the Mass unfolds. Repetitio mater memoriae est (repetition is the mother of memory). This is true of ANY ritual . . . whether it's football cheers or line dancing. I don't understand why people who know all their college team songs, watch foreign films, or even just try to listen to a ball game on a distant AM station, claim that they are going to have so much trouble understanding the Latin Mass.
What they really fear is the loss of the "John the Baptist Ate Bugs for Lunch" song.
Is there such a song? Is there music?
What is Crossroads Ministry, and can we stamp it out somehow? Is it Catholic (hope not)?
Of course, I also know Tantum Ergo and Veni Sancte Spiritus by heart, inter alia . . . .
Ping. I wish some other folks would pay attention to this, you know?
I agree. That's what I believe the hand-holding during the "Our Father" is really about.
"Why would the Church be against it?" "Who are they to tell us what to do?" "We'll do it anyway, no matter what they say."
It's about fostering a general attitude of disobedience.
I learned Latin as a young man, with English and Latin in the same book it was not difficult. I Love tradition in the Church, I think it brings out the best in us and draws us closer to the meaning.Now that I said this I have some work to do relearning Latin.
in Latin, a language unfamiliar to most of the world’s one billion Roman Catholics. . .
Oh, I won’t know what the priest is saying! I’ll have to ask, “what is he talking about? Did he just ask me to run to the deli and get him a ham and swiss on rye? I’m lost. what could he be talking about up there?”
Thanks to the NYT, my fears are calmed. They are protecting me from those bilingual priests.
Next they’ll get my local banks, election and drivers license bureaus to stop making me push “one” for my native language.
Celebration of the Latin Mass required the approval of the local bishop. Apparently, that will no longer be necessary.
I heard it at a kids' mass. Believe me, experiencing it first hand is much worse. Kids in the choir shouting, "yuk, yuk, yuk!" while parents smirk and giggle. Other people were wincing.
I googled it too. It seems like it came from Bible camp. Some DRE probably picked it up, suggested it to the choir director and, voila!
When was the Latin Mass banned?
What encyclical?
What Document?
That which was never banned now has a ban lifted?
It is madness. Pure and simple.
I'm so glad I never heard it! Even at Bible Camp!
I can understand singing some silly songs at Bible Camp -- you're not in church, and it's a longstanding camp tradition. I'd place the fault with the idiot who brought it into Mass.
My old sleep-away summer camp perpetrated some VERY silly songs, and amazingly when my daughter went to the same camp 30 years later they were STILL singing them! (John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Head Shoulders Knees & Toes, John Brown's Baby, that sort of stuff.)
Paul VI DID discourage the use of the Latin Mass, although it was not an outright ban. The American bishops were given too much rope, but now it appears that they have hanged themselves.
We are fortunate in our archdiocese to have had a great archbishop for the last 10 years, and he has done a lot of groundwork to bring back the Latin. He is now retired but is still an "emeritus" and hanging around to make sure the new man doesn't run off the rails.
“The reformers introduced so many goofy changes that it alienated many older Catholics.”
And some of the younger ones as well.
This is true, things have to be fixed, sometimes I'd like to see it fixed right now, not at some future date. Impatience is part of me!!
The American bishops were given too much rope, but now it appears that they have hanged themselves.
American Mother, I know, it's unbelievable how far they've gone.
We are fortunate in our archdiocese to have had a great archbishop for the last 10 years, and he has done a lot of groundwork to bring back the Latin. He is now retired but is still an "emeritus" and hanging around to make sure the new man doesn't run off the rails.
I think this shows what is wrong with what is going on today.
How many times have we seen a good Bishop be replaced by a Bishop who decides to undo or do whatever he envisions for his diocese. They operate as petty kings of fiefdoms with no regard to either the future of their flock, the state of the souls in their diocese, or their own souls.
It's just too many times we've heard, my diocese is different, or my parish, or my church, or my parish school...meanwhile the wreck goes on in another corner of the Church.
That is the point, We are ALL the Branches of the VINE. What happens for the worse in one diocese, does affect us in another.
When Saul was persecuting the early Church Jesus made it abundantly clear to him that what he did to the Christians he was doing to Him, Jesus.
The going-ons at a bad parish or diocese affect all of us, we can't just be complacent because our neck of the woods is running in a manner we can live with. That's appeasement.
What we the faithful need is a complete overhaul with good shepherds who love the Church as Jesus loved the Church.
I understand your sentimentality, but your history is just incorrect.
That’s correct. I have been following an 18 wheeler up I-15.
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