Posted on 06/28/2007 4:50:33 AM PDT by watsonfellow
VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Benedict XVI has approved a document that relaxes restrictions on celebrating the Latin Mass used by the Roman Catholic Church for centuries until the modernizing reforms of the 1960s, the Vatican said Thursday.
Benedict discussed the decision with top officials in a meeting on Wednesday and the document will be published in the next few days, the statement said. The meeting was called to ``illustrate the content and the spirit'' of the document, which will be sent to all bishops accompanied by a personal letter from the pope.
The decision comes after months of debate. Some cardinals, bishops and Jewish leaders have opposed any change, voicing complaints about everything from the text of the old Mass to concerns that the move will lead to further changes to the reforms approved by 1962-65 Second Vatican Council.
The 16th century Tridentine Mass was sidelined by the New Mass that followed the council. The reforms called for Mass to be said in local languages, for the priest to face the congregation and not the altar with his back to worshippers and for the use of lay readers.
To celebrate the Latin Mass now, a priest must obtain permission from the local bishop. Church leaders are anxiously awaiting the details of Benedict's decision, to see how far he will go in easing that rule.
Benedict's move is widely seen as an attempt to reach out to an ultra-traditionalist and schismatic group, the Society of St. Pius X, and bring it back into the Vatican's fold.
The late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre founded the society in 1969 in Switzerland in opposition to the Vatican II reforms, particularly its liturgical changes. The Vatican excommunicated Lefebvre in 1988 after he consecrated four bishops without Rome's consent. The bishops were excommunicated as well.
Benedict has been keen to reconcile with the group, which has demanded freer use of the old Mass as a precondition for normalizing relations.
Some cardinals and bishops, particularly in France - where Lefebvre's group is strong - have objected publicly to any liberalizing of the old rite, saying its broader use could lead to divisions within the church, and could imply a rejection of other Vatican II teachings.
Other concerns have come from groups involved in Christian-Jewish dialogue, because the Tridentine rite contains prayers that some non-Christians find offensive. The Tridentine liturgy predates the landmark documents from Vatican II on improving relations with Jews and people of other faiths.
In a 1988 document, Pope John Paul II urged bishops to be generous in granting ``indults,'' or special dispensation, to allow the Tridentine rite to be celebrated. But many proponents say bishops have been stingy - either for personal reasons or because they simply don't have enough priests who know how to celebrate it.
Benedict has made clear for years that he greatly admires the Tridentine rite and has already incorporated Latin into Masses at St. Peter's Basilica.
In a recent document, Benedict urged seminarians and the faithful alike to learn Latin prayers, and in the 1997 book ``Salt of the Earth'' he said it was ``downright indecent'' for people who are still attached to the old rite to be denied it.
``I am of the opinion, to be sure, that the old rite should be granted much more generously to all those who desire it,'' then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said. ``It's impossible to see what could be dangerous or unacceptable about that.''
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Semper ubi sub ubi
VATICAN URBS (AP) Pope Benedict XVI has probatus a tabellae ut laxus restrictions in celebrating Latin Vulgus adsuesco assuesco per Romanorum Catholic Templum pro centuries insquequo modernizing reforms of 1960s, Vatican said Thursday.
Benedict confero sententia per caput capitis persona in congressus in Wednesday quod tabellae ero vulgo in tunc pauci dies, editio said. placitum eram accersitus ut ``illustrate impleo quod phasmatis’’ of tabellae, quod ero sent ut totus pontifex comitatusper a alio tabellae ex pope.
sententia adveho secundum mensis of disputatio. Nonnullus cardinals, pontifex quod Jewish gubernatio have econtra ullus change, vox vocis questus super panton ex text of vetus Vulgus ut sollicitudo ut permoveo mos plumbum ut porro changes ut reforms probatus per 1962-65 Secundus Vatican Concilium.
16th century Tridentine Vulgus eram sidelined per Novus Vulgus ut secuutus concilium. reforms accersitus pro Vulgus futurus said in locus lingua, pro priest ut visio congregation neque nec ara per suus tergum ut cultor quod pro utor of iacio lector.
Tripudio Latin Vulgus iam, a priest must sumo permission ex locus pontifex. Templum gubernatio es sollicite specto retineo of Benedicts’ sententia, video vidi visum quatenus is mos invado levamentum ut sceptrum.
Benedicts’ permoveo est penitus seen ut an rudimentum ut pervenio sicco ut an ultra-traditionalist quod schismatic humus, Congregatio of St. Pius X, quod addo is tergum in Vaticans’ fold.
tardus Archbishop Proficiscor Lefebvre fundator congregatio in 1969 in Switzerland in contradictio ut Vatican II reforms, proprie suusmonachicus changes. Vatican excommunicated Lefebvre in 1988 secundum is consecro quattuor pontifex vacuus Romes’ consentio. pontifex erant excommunicated pariter.
Benedict has been alacer ut pacifico per humus, quod has requiro solvo utor of vetus Vulgus ut a precondition pro normalizing consanguinei.
Nonnullus cardinals quod pontifex, proprie in Suffragium qua Lefebvres’ humus est validus have res palam ut ullus liberalizing of vetus ritus, sententia suus prolixus utor could plumbum ut divortium intus templum, quod could ingenero a infitialis of alius Vatican II sensa.
Alius sollicitudo have adveho ex humus involved in Sarcalogos-Jewish alternis sermonibus, quoniam Tridentine ritus postulo preces utnonnullus non-Christians reperio obscoena. Tridentine monachicus predates landmark tabellae ex Vatican II in improvidus consanguinei per Jews quod populus of alius fides.
In a 1988 tabellae, Pope John Paul II urgeo pontifex ut exsisto probus in tribuo ``indults,’’ vel proprius dispensation, permitto Tridentine ritus futurus celebrated. Tamen plures proponents narro pontifex have been tenax aut pro alio causa vel quoniam they simplex dont’ have satis priests quisnam teneo quam tripudio is.
Benedict has no videlicet pro annus ut is valde admires Tridentine ritus quod has iam incorporated Latin in Strues procul St. Peters’ Basilica.
In a repens tabellae, Benedict urgeo seminarians quod fidelis pariter disco Latin preces, quod in 1997 libri ``Salt of orbis terrarum’’ issaid is eram ``downright indecent’’ pro populus quisnam es etiam suggero ut vetus ritus futurus denied is.
``I sum of sententia, quippe, ut vetus ritus should exsisto tribuo plus liberaliter ut totus qui votum it,’’ tunc-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said. ``Its’ impossible video vidi visum quis could exsisto periculosus vel unacceptable super ut’’
thema: novus/Current Vices
KEYWORDS: benedict; catholicchurch; sanctus; vatican
Aliquanto leftist article, tamen etiam per suscito novus!
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ut watsonfellow
Oh certus stipes is in vernacular....
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ut Hegewisch Dupa
pia Est illic an online Latin reddo?
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Procul meus parish, nos have a Latin vulgus mensis. Moneo mihi of ut EGO eram a kid.
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ut HaveHadEnough
Google Online Latin Reddo
http:/www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?/fromEnglishtoLatin=&=
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Sis vivo huic terra vos should perceptum oro damno lingua. Is est a prefect via ut tear nostrum congregatio seorsum. Narro English vel adepto abyssus sicco.
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ut watsonfellow
Posteri HIC yesterday.
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ut berstbubble
Vos videor habeo an proventus per...”Latin-Americans”.
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ut PBRSTREETGANG
Quis’ utor of garrio in LAtin ut sulum teneo ut Deus fatur English ( proprie).
Tunc res vos teneo pope est iens ut volo women tectum suum caput capitis in templum.
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Volo they would vado tergum ut eruditio Latin in schola. Is eram optimus lingua pro “ radix”. Is vere succurro mihi per meusEnglish vocabulary.
Schola Motto: Via, Quin et Vita Ordo of ‘61.
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ut berstbubble
Sis vivo huic terra vos should perceptum oro damno lingua. Is est a prefect via ut tear nostrum congregatio seorsum. NarroEnglish vel adepto abyssus sicco.
Permissum mihi innutum ut vos lurk pro awhile. Vos vires non niteo satis ut stipes etiamnunc.
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:-).
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Ut EGO eram affirmo in Nova Scotia, vulgus eram tractare in Latin.
Infortunately EGO eram quoque tener (14) quod crudus ut appreciate is.
EGO teneo ut tractare aliquando LM in a iugo of Boston parishes, EGO would amo ut famulor unus nonnullus.
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ut johniegrad
Relevo sursum, Suffragium. Vos may animadverto penuria of centurions, tribunes, gladiators quod alius “Latin ut a primoris lingua” populus sicco in vicus.
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EGO puto babblefish mos reddo Latin.
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ut Hegewisch Dupa; berstbubble; Francisca Ovis
Vos may animadverto penuria of centurions, tribunes, gladiators quod alius “Latin ut a primoris lingua” populus sicco in vicus.
Quod si ut isn’t a symptom of Senium of Civilization, EGO don’t teneo quis est!
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Etiamtum illic est a Latin puniceus.
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ut Miseratio- pullus
Gotta admit EGO sum nostalgic vomitoriums
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EGO philologus Latin ex meus frater — ut is eram an ara puer, Strues erant etiam said in Latin. Is had ut meditor totus precesquod respondeo, quod iustus ex audio ut him vado per lemma super quod super iterum, EGO picked sursum lingua. Is may exsisto a “ mortuus” lingua, tamen is est basis parumper numerus of lingua. EGO teneo is succurro mihi perceptum Fanaticus quodItalian...puteus, utique satis ualeo scisco qua proximus lavatory est. :)
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ut Hegewisch Dupa
Planto certus vos refrigerate vestri macaroni salad tunc vicis.
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PRO ROME!
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ut watsonfellow; Salus; NYer
Dominor vobiscum :-]
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Semper ubi sub ubi
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Yawn.
The prayers basically say that non-Catholics believe the wrong things and ask God to convert non-Catholics to Catholicism.
No Catholic complains when Jews recite the traditional Shemonah Esrei.
Not bad - just make sure you don’t print that out on a laser printer - have monks transcribe it, or at the very least use a dot-matrix printer.
School Motto: “Jones Beach or Bust” - Class of ‘60
Paved roads, running water, free gladiatorial combats ... what’s not to like?
That is only because the centurions, tribunes, and gladiators have been pushed into hiding because of the oppressive forces of the anti-Roman movement.
These fragile members of our smallest minority only want the same rights we all have to watch animals fight to the death, to be bathed in hot oils by beautiful women, and to have their sons learn warfare from the greatest warrior minds this world has ever known.
Who will be their voice? Without comprehensive immigration reform, the world stands to lose all that remains from the culture of Spartacus, Augustus Caesar, and Ovid.
Interesting selection there ...
Technically Spanish is the common Latin spoken in the province of Hispania...
Intribo ad altari dei, ad deum qui latificat juventutem meum.
These fragile members of our smallest minority only want the same rights we all have to watch animals fight to the death, to be bathed in hot oils by beautiful women, and to have their sons learn warfare from the greatest warrior minds this world has ever known.
Who will be their voice? Without comprehensive immigration reform, the world stands to lose all that remains from the culture of Spartacus, Augustus Caesar, and Ovid.
Westerncentric claptrap!!!
The Empire will be restored when Constaninople is retaken and a Greek speaking general proclaims himself as Roman Emperor of the East!!!
“Sorry”???? No way man - you’ve just given me reason to use the term even more - I owe ya one!!
So, at about age 10, I decided to make my move. The church was empty. I knelt at the communion rail. Then my desires took over. I climbed the rail and knelt down and bowed my head. I grabbed the bells and rang them three times...Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa. I jumped back to the people side of the rail, genuflected and blessed myself with Holy Water and left the church...with a smile on my face.
How God must have laughed that day!!
I almost felt like Dennis Miller in writing that line. :)
Next, I hope he brings back kneeling for those who are able. I know Benedict is a big fan of it. Our diocese does this “standing during communion” thing. It feels weird. So I kneel. People must think I’m nuts.
I wonder how common this standing deal is?
Here’s Benedict on the theology of kneeling:
http://www.tldm.org/News8/PopeBenedictXVITheologyOfKneeling.htm
They do it in Orange County. Bishop Tod Brown first said they were in mortal sin for not obeying him because they wouldn't stand during the Agnus Dei, only kneel. Second, he invited these people to leave the diocese.
Wow, what a lunatic!
Our bishop, who is not retired, told us to stand but the pastor said it was OK to kneel. So I do. Most people stand. But a lot kneel after communion.
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