Skip to comments.Ex-deputy cleared in shooting of airman
Posted on 06/28/2007 4:25:54 PM PDT by CAWats
4:06 PM PDT, June 28, 2007
A San Bernardino County jury today acquitted a former sheriff's deputy of attempted voluntary manslaughter for opening fire on an unarmed, off-duty Air Force police officer after a high-speed chase last year, a brutal shooting videotaped by a bystander and aired nationwide.
Ivory John Webb Jr., 46, the son of a former Compton police chief, was the first law enforcement officer ever to face criminal charges for an on-duty shooting in San Bernardino County. Webb, who also was also acquitted of assault with a deadly firearm, faced up to an 18-year prison sentence.
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I remember this.....there was a very damning videotape, IIRC
This is a steaming pile!
I’d love to know how the jury rationalized this.
Could be the jurors fear the police. It is getting like Mexico out there.
“Id love to know how the jury rationalized this.”
So would I. From all the news articles I read on this case, and the video tape, there was no evidence at all to lead you to believe there was any reasonable doubt he was innocent. Besides attempted murder, it was also the Left’s classic textbook example, step by step, of their hate crime.
There you have it folks. It’s open season now. On whom and by whom is a matter of personal conscience.
But it won’t be Rodney King time this go-round cause the occifer was of color.
rejoice and be glad all without conscience.
They should have moved the trial. The jurors have a real chance of running into his “brothers in blue”. They might have let that cloud their judgement.
Now the unions will be trying to get his job back. What a pile!
Time for some in the Airmans unit to teach this cop what a tactical raid is all about!
And the cops on FR wonder why we, the regular citizens, no longer trust the police force. This was a travesty of justice.
Ok, what about a federal civil Righrs trial? Good enough for those four cops,; good enough for this one.
Not quite enough melanometrics it seems..
Now now, they’re telling us now the pix showed Carrion (interesting name, as he was turned into that) reaching into his jacket. That could indicate a threat but it sure isn’t a “lunge.”
The police unions will now apply the maximum amount of grease and there’s a sizable chance Webb will slide clear out of all of this, civil as well as criminal, and will be back on the beat.
He should sue for wrongful dismissal.
I’m as pro-cop as they come and I’m sure the jury heard more than we did, but this sure looked to me like this cop went over the line.
It was a pretty quick deliberation....
Au contraire...I'm in the area, and there have been lengthy daily newspaper reports on this case.
I started out thinking that Webb was toast, toast, toast -- but by the time it went to the jury I was certain I'd vote to acquit.
Almost NO parts of the prosecution's case came anywhere near "beyond reasonable doubt".
I think the cop went WAY over the line. I read some postings from the military guy; he did everything the cop asked him to do.
Open Season on the Good Guys, in court. I hope he appeals.
Yep - you'll see by my other post nearby that I followed the newspaper reports (much more in-depth) in the Riverside Press Enterprise.
I'm surprised it took them more than whatever it'd take to do a straw poll to find him not guilty.
He wasn't the driver; he obeyed every order given to him; Webb shot him.
You have "reasonable doubt"?
Now, after this foolisness what do you think the chances are of the Airman getting off if he should seek personal satisfaction? He's a cop too.
Cop on cop action should elicit total neutrality in the civilian ranks right?
Like I said it's getting like Mexico out there.
I am sure this and Carrion’s .18 BAC didnt help it out.
Luis Escobedo said he consumed 12 beers and five shots of tequila before getting behind the wheel of a friend’s Corvette.
and hiring poverty pimp lawyer Leo Carrillo.
Don't sit back there in Indiana, having your little emotional kneejerk reactions and tell me - a LOCAL who followed this trial on a daily basis - what to think.
Sheesh. There are some real frigging idiots on this board.
We had a kid in nearby Maryland, an Eagle Scout, just a passenger in a car driven by his girlfriend that got stopped by the cops because it was like a car then being pursued.
The local cops told the kid to get out of the car. An FBI topgun, Christopher Baga, shot the kid in the face the second he opened the door.
Which means that cops sometimes do very stupid things ~ even career ending stupid things. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/647080/posts
This Webb guy sounds like that FBI agent ~ time for a different job somewhere else, and NO GUNS.
Unless you actually went and VISITED them in person, does this mean squat? The internet has turned local news into halfway around the world news.
Oh...there's so much more than that; you might want to drop out of this thread, because your lack of knowledge is becoming more and more apparent with each sentence.
So next time you drink we can have a cop shoot you? Foolish.
If a prosecutor does not want a conviction, he isn’t going to get one.
So? Are you related to Webb? I’ve been reading about it on the SoCal papers online (I’m from SD). What gem did you dig out of the local coverage that said being drunk is a good reason to get shot three times?
Stop being cryptic and state you reasons or shut the he!! up!
If you have a problem what you do is debate the issues politely, or bring in the evidence and explain it to the rest of us.
Since you followed the "trial" daily and know all the arguments pro and con on every issue as put forward by various lawyers, you'll really have to explain to us why there's a film showing what everybody in the country has seen ~ a cop tells a guy to get up and then shoots him.
I am not a foolish person...I call fools fools and "frigging idiots" when I spot them. Got it?
Do your research on this case - since it's obviously grabbed you by the balls - and come back here in the morning with a clear and sober head...
Scroll, my dear, scroll.
And cut out the "friggin'" and other trash talking. People here are expected to be literate.
Ivory John Webb, Jr.
You’re not nearly as witty and droll as you think.
I have read the complete thread and you offer zero evidence for review and zero links to back your obtuse comments.
Here it is in a nutshell (one with which a dozen jurors apparently caught onto quicklike, unlike a handful of subpar FReepers...):
The prosecution did the PC thing....the defense brought up several expert police tactical witnesses, and pretty much shot the hell out of the charges.
The prosecutors did not prove their case, and the defense was vigorous enough (and rightly so) for aquittal.
Oh...and I will NEVER " shut the he!! up!...that's why I'm a FReeper.
Have a nice night.
Here is the video.....
Once again you post opinions and expect them to be taken as gospel.
As stated in post #28 (I believe) we saw the video. It clearly shows by both aural and visual means that the Airman was complying with the officer when he was shot.
What is your answer to this irrefutable evidence?
So you think other cops wouldn't ly to protect one of their own?
Of course some would. Where did you get the idea that I did not think so?
I’m sorry; post 45 was meant for ErnBatavia.
No problem, SeaHawk
I agree with you. This country is getting like Mexico. The corruption gets worse every day.
I can only speculate that the prosecution was threatened with serious violence unless they spiked the case.
Nothing else makes sense.
You’re crude, rude and sound like a DU lackey.