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Ex-deputy cleared in shooting of airman
LA Times ^

Posted on 06/28/2007 4:25:54 PM PDT by CAWats

4:06 PM PDT, June 28, 2007

A San Bernardino County jury today acquitted a former sheriff's deputy of attempted voluntary manslaughter for opening fire on an unarmed, off-duty Air Force police officer after a high-speed chase last year, a brutal shooting videotaped by a bystander and aired nationwide.

Ivory John Webb Jr., 46, the son of a former Compton police chief, was the first law enforcement officer ever to face criminal charges for an on-duty shooting in San Bernardino County. Webb, who also was also acquitted of assault with a deadly firearm, faced up to an 18-year prison sentence.

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To: ErnBatavia

What was the racial makeup of the jury? How many were women?


52 posted on 06/28/2007 9:52:26 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ErnBatavia

Dude, you just don’t get it. The cops are all out to get us — like, they are just looking for the flimsiest of reasons to shoot people...
like driving around a residential area at 100 miles per hour with reckless disregard for the safety of the public, being argumentative and unco-op after the stop, and reaching into your waistband after all of the above.

Yeah, the cop shot the guy for no reason at all...no, none at all.

/sarcasm


53 posted on 06/28/2007 10:34:31 PM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: muawiyah; ErnBatavia

Why, because he followed the trial daily in his local paper?

All the legal experts said the County didnt make the case for a 13 year prison term. Juries tend to have city and county employees on them, as they are paid to go to jury duty...they saw the County throw their employee to the wolves under some media scrutiny.

The jury saw the same video as you did, over and over and over and over for a week. Plus weeks of other testimony that you never heard. Yet they voted 12-0 to acquit in 90 minutes.

Maybe you can petition Atty Gen Gonzales to double jeopardy Deputy Webb with some civil rights violations...that is if he isnt swept up in the Cheney subpoenas....


54 posted on 06/28/2007 11:12:25 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: dragnet2
I’d love to know how the jury rationalized this.

They just brought in the O.J. jury.

55 posted on 06/28/2007 11:14:09 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: BurbankKarl
All the legal experts said the County didnt make the case for a 13 year prison term.

The rule has been for many years that juries are told nothing about potential sentencing before they come back with a verdict on the crime. For all we know, they may have been dumb enough to expect Webb to get the death penalty if convicted.

56 posted on 06/28/2007 11:16:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: oldfart

“It’s open season now.”

It’s been open season for as long as I can remember, this just continues that.

It’s why I dance a happy little jig when I hear about bad things happening to our government masters.


57 posted on 06/29/2007 5:11:54 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: All

“I call fools fools and “frigging idiots” when I spot them. Got it?”

^^^^government masters like this one^^^^


58 posted on 06/29/2007 5:18:55 AM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: muawiyah; ErnBatavia; SeaHawkFan; Hazcat
You’re crude, rude and sound like a DU lackey.

Is that a synonym for COP? I do believe ole ErnBatavia wears a badge and gun. Blackbird.

59 posted on 06/29/2007 7:40:23 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (We stirred the melting pot (America), and incompetence floated to the top!)
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To: BlackbirdSST

Most likely. I think the first time he saw the film he was convinced the cop should shoot the guy ~


60 posted on 06/29/2007 7:44:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BlackbirdSST; muawiyah; SeaHawkFan

I just notice that he has never answered the qustions. Just spouts nonsense.


61 posted on 06/29/2007 7:51:12 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat; BlackbirdSST; muawiyah

Here kiddies....have yourselves a touch of education on the case:

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webb29.3ffad56.html


62 posted on 06/29/2007 8:28:23 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia

Listen slick I would bet I was defending this country when you were in diapers so stop with the condescending crap.

Second once again I see no FACTS about this case. Yes, maybe the prosecution was inept (maybe on purpose?) but the FACTS speak quite clearly for themselves for all who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

You keep alluding to some insider intelligence about the case that would make a reasonable person change his mind. I have not seen or read any such information in the links and remarks provided by you.

See the difference between what you say and what you provide?


63 posted on 06/29/2007 9:09:57 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: VRing

“. . .I dance a happy little jig when I hear about bad things happening to our government masters.”

Yeah, I usually have a problem feeling bad too. Sometimes, but seldom.


64 posted on 06/29/2007 9:10:48 AM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: ErnBatavia
One juror said "We believe he believed he was in danger,"

And you know, doggone it, this klutz is still in danger, and if not from himself then others he might talk to.

Certainly wouldn't put the man in a public contact job Fur Shur.

65 posted on 06/29/2007 9:43:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: absalom01

Dude, the guy wasn’t driving the car and the video doesn’t show him reaching into his waistband for anything. It does show a cop telling him to get up repeatedly then shooting him after he follows the command.


66 posted on 06/29/2007 2:25:09 PM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: BlackbirdSST
Is that a synonym for COP? I do believe ole ErnBatavia wears a badge and gun. Blackbird.
If he wears a badge then it's probably at the mall.
67 posted on 06/29/2007 2:26:22 PM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: digitalbrownshirt
Dude,

the guy wasn’t driving the car

Irrelevant. He was detained during a felony stop. Anyone I know, cop or not, would be reasonable to treat such an individual with extreme caution.

and the video doesn’t show him reaching into his waistband for anything.

I beg to differ. I think it shows that the suspect reached toward his waistband on at least two separate occasions, and then try to get up in a position that would have allowed him to reach the deputy for a takedown.

It does show a cop telling him to get up repeatedly then shooting him after he follows the command.

I heard that too -- I think the deputy's tactics and commands were less than sound (which, by the way, is why he was fired) however, once he had decided to conduct the stop from a position where the suspect could have engaged him, he exhibited restraint.

What I think happened? The deputy kept giving orders to "shut up" and "lie down", which the suspect chose to ignore -- he was clearly non-cooperative, and as an MP, should have known better. The statement to "get up" was poor tactics -- in the context, and given the tone of voice it was a warning given as "go ahead and get up and see what happens". Maybe the MP misunderstood the comment as a command, though I don't really think so. Clearly, the jury didn't think that given the totality of the circumstances, the deputy's use of force was criminal. Bad tactics, well, hard to argue otherwise. Bad training, probably. Criminal? I'm with the jury on this one -- no.

68 posted on 06/29/2007 6:17:31 PM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: absalom01

So you agree that he actually told the guy to get up? Then he shot the guy for following his directions? How is that not criminal?


69 posted on 06/30/2007 3:14:14 AM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: ErnBatavia
Funny thing, the only thing I learned from that was that the sky in your world is some weird lime green color like a refrigerator from the 70s.
70 posted on 06/30/2007 3:30:03 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: digitalbrownshirt

I was not on the jury, and they heard more evidence than the tape.

They made their decision based on all of the evidence, not on media reports.

He shot the guy because he (correctly, per the jury) needed to stop a threat. He stopped shooting him when he was no longer a threat.

But, you don’t really have a problem with me. You seem to have a problem with the jury, which I can’t help you with.


71 posted on 06/30/2007 10:52:09 AM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: absalom01

I don’t have a problem with you at all. I was just trying to figure out why you thought he should be fired for his actions, but at the same time didn’t think he was criminal in his actions.


72 posted on 06/30/2007 3:19:07 PM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: traviskicks; elkfersupper; JeffAtlanta

If you guys remember reading about this incident when it happened and seeing the video, then you’re just not going to believe this.


73 posted on 06/30/2007 7:54:59 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: digitalbrownshirt
My bad, then.

To clarify: I did not say that he should be fired, but that he has been fired. The department decided that he had violated their standards by placing himself in a poor tactical position, so they rolled him up. My opinion of this is that they threw him under the bus to reduce their civil liability.

The use of force issue has been well hashed on this thread. I think the jury made the right decision -- they were not evaluating his tactics, but his use of force once he found himself standing in front of the suspect.

74 posted on 06/30/2007 9:55:10 PM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: JTN

bookmark


75 posted on 07/01/2007 9:59:10 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
cause the occifer was of color.

Well yeah, but the shootee has his own affiliations. He is Hispanic and he's a member of the Big Blue Gang, the U.S. Air Force. A Sky Cop no less. I'd advise the deputy to not find himself on or near any military bases anytime in the next century or three.

Maybe a small "training accident" which results in an LGB coming through his bedroom window at Oh Dark Thirty? Ooops, sorry about that. Just a "bad decision" in the "line of duty" . The video is at the link, and it's damming. The deputy clearly orders the Airman to get up, and then shoots him when he complies, after indicating that he was going to get up. Then the deputy has the arrogance to put out a "shots fired" call, not bothering to say it was he who fired the shots.

What a travesty.

76 posted on 07/11/2007 3:45:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: bboop
Open Season on the Good Guys, in court. I hope he appeals.

You can't appeal a jury verdict. At most you can appeal for a new trial based on errors committed by the judge. The prosecution hardly ever does this, and they won't in this case either.

77 posted on 07/11/2007 3:48:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: absalom01
Maybe the MP misunderstood the comment as a command, though I don't really think so

He clearly did. He advised the deputy that he was getting up. Being doubly careful.

Also, the Sky Cop was much too coherent to have a BA of 0.18, even for a 23 y/o man in good condition.

78 posted on 07/11/2007 4:06:40 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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