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A Pyrrhic Victory (Sour Grapes from Linda Chavez)
Townhall ^ | June 29, 2007 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 06/29/2007 8:46:21 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Immigration reform is dead. But before conservatives who killed this bill start popping champagne corks, they ought to consider the following.

Our borders will be less secure, not more. Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won't have the tools to do so. The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes. In other words, the mess we created by an outdated and ill-conceived immigration policy 20 years ago will just get worse.

But you won't hear this if you tune in to talk radio over the next few days or read conservative blogs. There will be lots of gloating over having killed "amnesty." There will be claims that senators finally "listened to the people." And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

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But none of this matters to the radio talk show hosts who encouraged their millions of listeners to shut down the congressional phone system with calls protesting "amnesty." Nor does it matter to the myriad direct mail outfits opposing immigration, which will reap tens of millions of dollars in donations to fatten their coffers as a result of this "victory."

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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; atzlannorte; aztlan; chavez; congress; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; laraza; lindachavez; mecha; noamnestyforillegals; raza; reconquista; sellout; sellouts; theborg; vampirebill
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1 posted on 06/29/2007 8:46:21 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Who cares what that racist has to say?


2 posted on 06/29/2007 8:48:31 AM PDT by SIDENET (Jorge W. Arbusto is the Mexchurian candidate)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Now we put pressure on them to build the fence and deport illegals convicted of other crimes immediately upon release from jail or upon being found “innocent.”


3 posted on 06/29/2007 8:48:43 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Slighty off topic:

Tell Harry Reid I found Tommy, but I don’t think it’s his Tommy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTWmf38CwkU&mode=related&search=

See me, feel me, touch me, bite me Harry.


4 posted on 06/29/2007 8:49:17 AM PDT by AliVeritas (America, love it or leave it.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally

Hopefully, she is correct about this

5 posted on 06/29/2007 8:49:19 AM PDT by uxbridge
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Chavez is now persona non grata for her unforgettable insults. I won’t read anything she writes ever again.


6 posted on 06/29/2007 8:49:28 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.”

She says this like it’s a bad thing.

Ever overstay your visa in other countries Linda? ~Not to mention entering illegally...


7 posted on 06/29/2007 8:49:28 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

STFU Linda.


8 posted on 06/29/2007 8:49:30 AM PDT by Badeye ("In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED". ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I’m trying to remember. Wasn’t she a loyal Republican at some point?


9 posted on 06/29/2007 8:50:19 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

They aren’t living in the shadows if they are turning up on my TV, protesting the country they invaded, carrying the toilet paper flag of the Cesspool of Mexico or flying the flag of the country they invaded upside down. That isn’t the shadows.

I used to think Linda Chavez was intelligent but she seems to be as big an idiot as Ted Kennedy or Jorge Bush. Or she thinks her readers are idiots. Something.


10 posted on 06/29/2007 8:50:27 AM PDT by Duke Nukum (Well, Harvey has overcome not only time and space, but any objections.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Chavez apparently can’t smell what she is shoveling. What a load of horse manure.


11 posted on 06/29/2007 8:50:44 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Did Luis Gutierrez ghost write that for her?


12 posted on 06/29/2007 8:50:47 AM PDT by ruination
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
LOL! You guys got your opium like emotions off killing the bill, but now have to suffer the withdrawl symptoms of your victory.

Have a nice hangover.

13 posted on 06/29/2007 8:51:10 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

I agree. I used to like her. I’ll never forgive her now.. and I hold political grudges, too. I still hate KJL at NRO’s “The corner” blog for her faulty reporting on election eve 2004.


14 posted on 06/29/2007 8:51:30 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more.

1984 doublespeak...
How can it be any less secure than it is now? The existing laws are not being enforced!
And there is no assurance whatsoever that the new ones will be enforced either!

There is no penalty, ever, for the bureaucracy ignoring laws that they are Constitutionally obligated to apply. Perhaps that should be an essential part of all laws.

15 posted on 06/29/2007 8:51:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more.

Why should our national security be held hostage to comprehensive immigration refrom?

16 posted on 06/29/2007 8:51:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

I certainly hope so!

17 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:33 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
In other words, the mess we created by an outdated and ill-conceived immigration policy 20 years ago will just get worse.

So, let me see if I got this straight....by not passing an amnesty bill, we have failed to solve the problems caused by the LAST amnesty bill?

18 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:33 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Thompson is Duncan Hunter without the training wheels)
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To: Badeye
STFU Linda.

No, she should be heard as well as all other voices

19 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:36 AM PDT by woofie
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
If anyone missed the NRO crowd bitch-slapping Chavez one after the other , I have to wonder how long she'll still write over there considering she probably doesn't have a single friend at NRO after her crazed denunciations of amnesty opponents.
20 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:40 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Hey Linda - what we DON’T want is a “comprehensive” bill.

What we DO want is, first, a bill that puts up a fence and seals the border.

Then we want a followup bill, following COMPLETION of the above, that helps employers & law enforcement IDENTIFY illegals and process them accordingly.

THEN we’ll address the need for low wage labor.


21 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:48 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Rodney King

Faulty reporting?

What did Lopez say? I don’t recall this incident.


22 posted on 06/29/2007 8:53:22 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more. Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won't have the tools to do so. The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes. In other words, the mess we created by an outdated and ill-conceived immigration policy 20 years ago will just get worse.

There are so many things to say about this one paragraph.....

There is nothing stopping employers from hiring legal American citizens or legal migrants. They just want cheap slave labor and should be prosecuted under current law for hiring illegals.

Our border would be secure under current law if current laws were enforced.

And the idiot who wrote the bills who created this mess is the same idiot who wrote this monstrosity of a bill she's so bitter about not being passed. It isn't the immigration policy that is a failure, it's the administrations who won't enforce it that's the failure.

And when not 12 million but more like 20 million and growing by the day are in the streets marching and standing on corners to be picked up for jobs, tells me they aren't living in any shadow.

23 posted on 06/29/2007 8:54:24 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I really dont care what she has to say any more.


24 posted on 06/29/2007 8:54:44 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Here’s a tissue. Blow you nose.


25 posted on 06/29/2007 8:54:50 AM PDT by WannabeTurk (01/20/09)
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To: Dane
You guys got your opium like emotions off killing the bill, but now

Go away.
Please.

26 posted on 06/29/2007 8:54:53 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more.

Thanks to our government who refuses to enforce the laws currently on the books.

Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won't have the tools to do so.

I smell BS. This SHAMNESTY was being pushed by businesses who wanted cheap labor and could care less about "doing the right thing".

The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes.

She must be blind. Those criminal invaders looked "in the shadows" to me with their demonstrations and DEMANDS to stay in this country. And can someone explain to me how illegals who use FORGED documents and steal other identities are paying their "full share of taxes"?

In other words, the mess we created by an outdated and ill-conceived immigration policy 20 years ago will just get worse.

Yes, because people like this woman bellyache and don't want the current laws enforced. They want to give amnesty to lawbreakers who are here and thus encourage MORE lawbreakers to cross our borders, break our laws, harm more of our citizens and steal billions of dollars from our government programs that they have NO RIGHT to have.

27 posted on 06/29/2007 8:55:49 AM PDT by Sister_T (No Amnesty for Illegal, Lawbreaking, Criminal INVADERS!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

This is truly bizarre.

It's like saying: "And, no doubt, some prosecutors will be emboldened to begin prosecuting people who have committed crimes."
28 posted on 06/29/2007 8:56:23 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Amazing someone so stupid has can hold down a job.

Oh yea, she works for the goobermint.


29 posted on 06/29/2007 8:56:35 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: HaveHadEnough

“I’m trying to remember. Wasn’t she a loyal Republican at some point?”

IIRC, she was an American at some point.

Now she’s just some hyphenated writer of rants.


30 posted on 06/29/2007 8:56:54 AM PDT by VOA
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31 posted on 06/29/2007 8:57:00 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

So we are supposed to believe that any attempt to enforce current laws hinges on legalizing 20 million illegal aliens?


32 posted on 06/29/2007 8:57:03 AM PDT by moreisee
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33 posted on 06/29/2007 8:57:46 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: SeafoodGumbo
If anyone missed the NRO crowd bitch-slapping Chavez one after the other , I have to wonder how long she'll still write over there considering she probably doesn't have a single friend at NRO after her crazed denunciations of amnesty opponents.

Uh I think the "crazed" ones are those who state that her opinons were "bitch slapped".

But what the hey it seems the right has been taken over by the gutter ghetto culture, to the enjoymnet of nancy pelosi.

34 posted on 06/29/2007 8:57:52 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: MplsSteve
Faulty reporting? What did Lopez say? I don’t recall this incident.

She was the first one to report exit poll numbers from Ohio, and she was totally wrong. Now, this is a minor thing, I just remember being annoyed by it, and, as I said, I hold long political grudges. In fact, I still won't buy Toshiba because of what they did in the 80's.

35 posted on 06/29/2007 8:58:32 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Agreed. It’s one thing to disagree on an issue. It’s another thing to be called a racist.

She’s toast.


36 posted on 06/29/2007 8:58:40 AM PDT by incredulous joe (Vote for Christian Bagge - www.energizerkeepgoinghalloffame.com)
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To: Greg F

Put those who hire illegals in jail. It’s already on the books and just needs the police and immigration agents to enforce it. Sending a few big time party donors to the slammer will deliver the necessary message.


37 posted on 06/29/2007 8:59:08 AM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Dane
“LOL! You guys got your opium like emotions off killing the bill, but now have to suffer the withdrawl symptoms of your victory.

Have a nice hangover.”

Hey, it’s one hell of a lot better than 20+ million “instant citizens” AKA Shamnesty....and giving illegals voting rights.

38 posted on 06/29/2007 8:59:10 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
Amazing someone so stupid has can hold down a job.

Oh yea, she works for the goobermint.

So does tom tancredo, who BTW, has never had a job in the wealth producing private economy in his professional life.

39 posted on 06/29/2007 8:59:39 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

ah, vidkun, one of the last OBL members left on free republic.


40 posted on 06/29/2007 9:00:07 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: woofie

‘STFU Linda.
No, she should be heard as well as all other voices’

I did listen. I was informed by Linda I’m a ‘bigot’ and a ‘racist’ among other things. I listened very closely btw.

And having heard her out a couple of weeks back, sorry she needs to STFU. She was wrong with her original position, she was even more wrong about those of us that opposed the Amensty bill, and she remains wrong today as the column demonstrates conclusively.

No need to hear her whining. btw I also heard her on Laura Ingraham’s show right after the column where she described those of us opposed to that horrible legistation as ‘bigots and racists’.

She needs to shut the hell up. She lost, now all she’s doing is delaying the GOP uniting for next years political showdown. And the 2008 election cycle is far more important than the mutterings of Linda the Labeler.


41 posted on 06/29/2007 9:00:13 AM PDT by Badeye ("In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED". ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: Dane
So does tom tancredo, who BTW, has never had a job in the wealth producing private economy in his professional life.

Neither has Ted Kennedy. He's on your side on this.
42 posted on 06/29/2007 9:01:16 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Scratch a RINO, and you'll find a global elitist beneath the surface.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Unbelievable! She fantasizes about what the bill wouldn’t do (illegal aliens cooperating with law enforcement, borders secured, etc.) and deplores what did happen (Senators reluctantly and fearfully listening to the country).

Ms. Chavez seems to have missed the point of this bill; to facilitate and reward alien invasion of the United States.

Looks like Linda doesn’t understand what it is to be American.

Time to leave, Linda.


43 posted on 06/29/2007 9:01:26 AM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Badeye

Looks to me like she helped inspire the defeat of the bill


44 posted on 06/29/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by woofie
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To: flashbunny
I wonder if Dane is Linda Chavez.
45 posted on 06/29/2007 9:02:24 AM PDT by ruination
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
President Bush was a big supporter of this little racist totalitarianette.
46 posted on 06/29/2007 9:04:02 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (The danger - the Tempest - forever is o'er.)
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“So does tom tancredo, who BTW, has never had a job in the wealth producing private economy in his professional life.”

Yup, thank G_D for Tancredo..... he was one of those people who relentlessly fought for the American taxpayer, the legit small business owner...and all those who are pro LEGAL immigration. Tom was and still is on the “right” side of the law....unlike that POS Chavez. He withstood all the slings and arrows of all the illegal apologists and came out smelling like a rose.

47 posted on 06/29/2007 9:04:25 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
But none of this matters to the radio talk show hosts who encouraged their millions of listeners to shut down the congressional phone system with calls protesting "amnesty." Nor does it matter to the myriad direct mail outfits opposing immigration, which will reap tens of millions of dollars in donations to fatten their coffers as a result of this "victory."

Linda, if there is a case to made for the immigration bill, your side failed to make it in a way conservative voters found convincing. This has nothing to do with the Pied Pipers of Talk Radio and everything to do with the perception that the Administration and the Senate were trying to fool the public.

Bush was not being straightforward about his motives, apparently because neither he nor the Senate can state the truth: "We want to allow unrestricted immigration to shore up US enititlement programs and to prevent a Communist revolution in Mexico." Since those arguments - though important to the elites in both nations - aren't going to carry much weight with Americans who are on the wrong end of an MS-13 invasion of their neighborhoods, the Administration and the Senate chose to argue the case in disingenuous terms, and nobody bought it.

48 posted on 06/29/2007 9:04:35 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Savage is probably closer to being right. Still, it’s only one day in a decades-long political battle.


49 posted on 06/29/2007 9:06:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
She went around the bend on the last column she wrote as far as I am concerned. And this just proves it.

The numbers of people stating the calls from legal immigrants opposing the AMNESTY scam were overwhelming says Chavez is all wet.

There is nothing wrong with a country that does not want open borders and these elites will never understand that.

50 posted on 06/29/2007 9:06:36 AM PDT by Tarpon
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