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A Pyrrhic Victory (Sour Grapes from Linda Chavez)
Townhall ^ | June 29, 2007 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 06/29/2007 8:46:21 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Immigration reform is dead. But before conservatives who killed this bill start popping champagne corks, they ought to consider the following.

Our borders will be less secure, not more. Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won't have the tools to do so. The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes. In other words, the mess we created by an outdated and ill-conceived immigration policy 20 years ago will just get worse.

But you won't hear this if you tune in to talk radio over the next few days or read conservative blogs. There will be lots of gloating over having killed "amnesty." There will be claims that senators finally "listened to the people." And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

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But none of this matters to the radio talk show hosts who encouraged their millions of listeners to shut down the congressional phone system with calls protesting "amnesty." Nor does it matter to the myriad direct mail outfits opposing immigration, which will reap tens of millions of dollars in donations to fatten their coffers as a result of this "victory."

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more

Then re-submit legislation dealing with border security issues.

AND TELL BUSH TO DO HIS JOB AND BUILD THE FENCE THAT IS MANDATED BY A LAW HE SIGNED.

Linda's just pissy because we didn't fall for the notion that border security depended upon amnesty.

101 posted on 06/29/2007 10:35:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

What a concept. Deport those who are here illegally. Linda makes it sound like the second coming of the Holocaust.

102 posted on 06/29/2007 10:36:28 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I say deport her sorry A$$ first.


103 posted on 06/29/2007 10:38:52 AM PDT by bestrongbpositive
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Are all people who have there names end in “z” racists like Linda?


104 posted on 06/29/2007 10:40:05 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: Dane

The wall was already signed into law last October. Now we just need a President Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson to actually build it. No help from the Dems needed.

And yes, I’m still doing my happy dance.


105 posted on 06/29/2007 10:41:02 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Tarpon

The question to ask people like Chavez is: if these illegals were coming predominantly from non-Latin America, would you feel the same way?

If she answers “no” then she’s being a racist.

If she answers “yes” then she’s lying.


106 posted on 06/29/2007 10:42:22 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: OpusatFR

I guess hyphenated convervatives are no different than hpyhenated Americans.


107 posted on 06/29/2007 10:43:47 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: Badeye

Nice rant.


108 posted on 06/29/2007 10:47:02 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
...Nor does it matter to the myriad direct mail outfits opposing immigration,....

Poor, poor Linda...Lying does not suit you well.
109 posted on 06/29/2007 10:47:17 AM PDT by rottndog (Busy is as Busy does.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Yes, we got one of those in 1986. All ice cream and no veggies.


110 posted on 06/29/2007 10:48:32 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more.

Riiiiight!

I know I'm just a bigoted, unpatriotic gringoette, and not as brilliant as this woman, but would someone please explain how wide open borders can get any worse? LOL!

I get so tired of these pro shamnesty racists insulting our intelligence. The way I look at it is that it can't get any worse than what it is now, unless the border guards all walked away.

111 posted on 06/29/2007 10:48:51 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Dane
There's something strangely disturbing about your posts on this thread...flawed premises, illogically applied, lead to insane conclusions. I'm tempted to point out your...what...idiocy or spin? Strategic ignorance?

That would require, however, that I attempt to do what one Freeper described as "looking for the clean end of a turd." I can take a shower for that...I don't know how to disinfect my brain after thinking for very long about your "thoughts."

112 posted on 06/29/2007 10:56:30 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: Sister_T
Do you know what just dawned on me? Could it be that the goobermint is taxing people and business way to much, so they (the business owner) wants to resort to slave labor to maintain a profit margin?

I know it sounds strange, but the problem is compounded by the level of taxation forced on business, and the businesses are responding by hiring people off the books - legal and illegal - to perform the labor needed. In turn, the taxes are creating a black market of services and labor that the government will attempt to regulate. In turn, they will waste more tax dollars trying to regulate the problem that they created.

Now if that isn't a pork barrel, I don't know what is....

113 posted on 06/29/2007 10:59:11 AM PDT by Maigrey (The term ‘vapid twat’ has never meant so much before Katie came on the scene. -gilor)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Romanticising illegal aliens will not work anymore. Those days are over right now, Linda.


114 posted on 06/29/2007 10:59:19 AM PDT by BobS
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Our borders will be less secure, not more.

Ahem... Doing exactly the same thing now makes the borders less secure than they already were? Status quo reduces results?

This woman is writing stupidity.

115 posted on 06/29/2007 11:01:25 AM PDT by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: Dane
LOL! You guys got your opium like emotions off killing the bill, but now have to suffer the withdrawl symptoms of your victory. Have a nice hangover.

Ah...Dane! There you are! Haven't seen you in a Chihuawa's age. Sorry! Your side lost. You'll get over it some day.

116 posted on 06/29/2007 11:01:50 AM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I see that Chavez is being a good little statist and putting group identity before common sense. I USED to think she has something to say worth listening to, but not recently. Kind of like Jeff Jacoby who has faded into irrelevance too.
117 posted on 06/29/2007 11:06:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: HaveHadEnough
Wasn’t she a loyal Republican at some point?

Her support of shamnesty would still make her a loyal republican of the Bush flavor.

118 posted on 06/29/2007 11:07:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: dirtboy
And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

Sounds good to me.

119 posted on 06/29/2007 11:08:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: NRA2BFree

They have moved beyond insulting your intelligence. They are assaulting your emotions now.


120 posted on 06/29/2007 11:12:46 AM PDT by BobS
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To: Dane
>> LOL! You guys got your opium like emotions off killing the bill, but now have to suffer the withdrawl symptoms of your victory. Have a nice hangover. <<

Hi Dane! I knew you were still alive. Still awaiting your responce about the 2/3rds of freshmen Congressman voting FOR Tancredo's bill to deny federal aid to sancurity cities for illegals. Kinda weird how they'd all vote that way when "every" candidate who ran on illegal immigration in a contested seat was defeated, eh?

It must really suck to be you right now.

121 posted on 06/29/2007 11:12:53 AM PDT by BillyBoy (FACT: Governors WIN. Senators DON'T. Support the RIGHT Thompson in '08: www.tommy2008.com.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

SHE’S BAAAAAACK......


122 posted on 06/29/2007 11:13:32 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: from occupied ga
Her support of shamnesty would still make her a loyal republican of the Bush flavor.

This is true.
123 posted on 06/29/2007 11:16:15 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: Mean Maryjean

My bro overstayed his in Guatemala. Then, he couldn’t get an exit visa to go into Mexico and the Mexicans definitely wouldn’t let him in. It was “go back or go to Mexican jail.”

What a mess.


124 posted on 06/29/2007 11:20:49 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: dennisw

From the TownHall comments-—>>>

Did you catch Pan-Mexican Quisling-In-Chief Presidente Jorge speaking with acute chagrin about the demise of Scamnesty?! Talk about a lame duck— he looked like a dead duck! Sometimes we reap what we sow. Jorge told them recently while visiting his amigos in Mexico that he personally would work for THEM on immigration “reform” HERE. He had already surreptitiously agreed on his own to send non-existent S.S. funds (taxed as we go) south to Mexico. He has played a shell game with border security and enforcement— a wink that was well known to the border crashers. He had had his lackeys persecute and prosecute Campean and Ramos in a show trial with kangaroo justice, in part to influence last year’s Mexican election.

Stick a fork in that turkey Jorge— he is done. Contrary to what some gadfly naysayers have brayed generally and in Washington in shameful red herring fashion, we were NOT “fearful xenophobes”. The fear was of our own deceiptful, duplicitous government! There is NO TRUST that Jorge would EVER mean his facile lines about, “Of course, border security and enforcement must come first.” we know that thousands of agents have been approved and 800 miles of fence, but NOTHING done. Sell that tripe to the Polish Navy Jorge! We have been down that primrose path with “we will not engage in nation building” and we “will be fiscally responsible.” Once burned, shame on you,... twice burned, shame on us!


125 posted on 06/29/2007 11:51:00 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

That's a very good idea. Why didn't I think of it? /S off

Seriously, Linda:

1- We don't need your permission to be "emboldened" in our own country

2- Tell your buddies in La Raza to start their promised marches "that could become violent". I dare you.

We've had enough of the likes of you. Your camp is right, this ain't over yet. We'll start a campaign to enact the 10/2006 signed bill to build the fence and enforce the sieve, err, border. We'll write local laws to punish the employers who hire illegals and kick them out for good.

This invasion by flag-burning,crotch-grabbing, finger-flipping thugs will not stand.

126 posted on 06/29/2007 12:11:52 PM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: name one country, other than the USA, that doesn't control its borders.)
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To: RKV

And let’s also take down the artificial barriers that prevent government agencies from reporting illegals to the INS.


127 posted on 06/29/2007 12:33:52 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: jpl
And oh yeah, one more thing: suck on it, bitch.

Is this your picture?


128 posted on 06/29/2007 12:34:40 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Anti Amnesty-shill Sarcasm Torpedo ARMED. FIRE!!

Here's a peso, call someone who cares.

129 posted on 06/29/2007 2:09:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Dane
LOL...hangover for sure!

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the fence will cost $3.2 million a mile, Congress voted to hand DHS just $1.2 billion in fiscal year 2007 for construction. DHS needs to use half of it for other purposes besides the fence like technology and roadways. With say half of the 3.2 left what do you get...a little over 150 miles of fence? It's a down payment on 700 miles ....and they ain't getting no more now. In addition the Dems are already working on the "Dream Act".

Party time over!


130 posted on 06/29/2007 3:12:40 PM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Chavez is trolling the same bogus line about this being a ‘good deal’ for conservatives because we’d get all these ‘wonderful goodies’ with the amnesty.

“Our borders will be less secure, not more.”

the only reason this would be so would be that Bush does even less that before - out of spite. THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION FROM BUILDING THE 800 MILES OF FENCE ALREADY AUTHORIZED AND PAID FOR. And he can always call in the National Guard like he did last year.

“Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won’t have the tools to do so.”

So we are to believe employers cant figure out if they are hiring illegal aliens today? And we cant simply fix *only that* in a law? Why not?

” The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes.”

Most illegal aliens would GET MORE GOVT BENEFITS if they were granted citizenship, so for taxpayers it is plus for them to stay ‘in the shadows’.

As for the issue of criminality, we are taling about 12 million people who disregard our immigration law... now how does forgiving that help improve “rule of law”? It doesnt, but it does the exact opposite. Especially since even petty criminals and people subject to deportation orders could get the special deal.


131 posted on 06/29/2007 4:00:41 PM PDT by WOSG (thank the Senators who voted "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

ANOTHER REASON THIS PRO-AMNESTY BS IS FOOLISH:

In 2006, the GOP led Senate had more than 60 votes for a liberal amnesty bill.

In 2007, the Dem led Senate tried but failed to get 60 votes for a slightly stricter amnesty bill, but which was more generous on the amnesty (everyone before jan 1 2007 gets in).

In fact, enough squishy support peeled away that it didnt even crack 50 votes.

... I PREDICT THAT IN 2008 THEY WILL TRY ANOTHERE RUN WITH A NARROWER BILL. MAYBE THE DREAM ACT. I hope they fail again with whatever amnesty/ahamnesty bill they put forward.

EACH TIME THEY TRY AND FAIL, THE MORE PROGRESS *WE* MAKE BY EXPOSING THE REAL PROBLEM AS A LACK OF BORDER SECURITY AND UNWILLINGNESS TO ENFORCE THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE.


132 posted on 06/29/2007 4:14:48 PM PDT by WOSG (thank the Senators who voted "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: SIDENET

“Who cares what that racist has to say?”

La Raza..the Klan with a Tan


133 posted on 06/29/2007 4:22:57 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Our borders will not be any less secure than they’ve been since our government deicded to quit enforcing the law.

ENFORCE THE LAW, CLOSE THE BORDERS AND DEPORT ILLEGALS!


134 posted on 06/29/2007 4:40:09 PM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Dane
Ha-ha, that's a good one. And here's you:


135 posted on 06/29/2007 4:47:03 PM PDT by jpl
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To: flashbunny
And as a reminder, Chavez is the one who lost her chance at a white house appointment because it was discovered she was giving money to an illegal alien LIVING IN HER HOME!!!

Wow. I forgot about that. MAN, these people have nerve.

136 posted on 06/29/2007 4:53:47 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: DesScorp

I AM stealing that, you know. :p


137 posted on 06/29/2007 5:15:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: SIDENET

Chavez has always wanted to be Bush’s poodle.


138 posted on 06/29/2007 5:17:30 PM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: Dane

I am sure that plenty of illegal aliens appreciate the employment from bosses, but that’s its not ‘silly’ to wonder if a Secty of Labor should be blase about labor laws.
Also, not good to have something that tripped up Clinton appointees trip up a Bush appointee. They needed better vetting.


139 posted on 06/29/2007 6:38:11 PM PDT by WOSG (thank the Senators who voted "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“The immigration bill failed because the politicians in Washington are out of touch with the American people. The voice of the people is loud and clear - secure the border, enforce the law and no special deal for permanent residency or citizenship for illegals. America will always welcome legal immigration, but as a nation we also insist on the rule of law.”

Mitt Romney....June 28th 2007!


140 posted on 06/29/2007 8:54:59 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Please any Linda Gersten articles should be sub-titled “Double standards of a LaRazaista Republican” for fairness doctrine purposes.


141 posted on 06/30/2007 7:23:13 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

And, no doubt, some conservatives will be emboldened to consider the next step in their war against illegal immigration, namely to deport those now here illegally.

Follow the law, what a novel concept!
Close the border NOW!
Crossing points should have one way doors, anyone is free to leave anytime.


142 posted on 06/30/2007 7:30:48 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: HaveHadEnough
I’m trying to remember. Wasn’t she a loyal Republican at some point?

She still is, but remember these days Republican and conservative are not the same thing. Jorge Bush is a loyal Republican. 'nuff said.

143 posted on 06/30/2007 7:43:22 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Politicalmom

“I AM stealing that, you know. :p”

I wish I could take credit for it. Another Freeper posted that, and he probably got it elsewhere too. Good ideas spread fast.

Seriously though, imagine if a white group had a motto that said “for The Race, Everything; for others, nothing”. Wouldn’t you expect burning crosses and sheets? So why is America letting La Raza get off easy for that mindset?


144 posted on 06/30/2007 3:41:35 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: gogeo

Thanks bro. I still have my moments....(chuckle)


145 posted on 07/02/2007 5:56:43 AM PDT by Badeye ("In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED". ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won't have the tools to do so. The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes. In other words, the mess we created by an outdated and ill-conceived immigration policy 20 years ago will just get worse.

Don't worry Linda, the states are passing and enforcing the legislation that the federal government refuses too pass and enforce (Just ask Georgia)...

146 posted on 07/02/2007 6:24:13 AM PDT by apillar
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Employers who want to do the right thing and only hire legal workers won't have the tools to do so. The 12 million illegal aliens who are here now will continue to live in the shadows, making them less likely to cooperate with law enforcement to report crimes and less likely to pay their full share of taxes.

Is she smoking weed? (1) Employers who are hiring illegals most certainly do NOT want to do the right thing. (Heads up: If an employee can't speak English and they're of working age, it's a good bet they don't belong here.)

The invading illegals won't have to live in the shadows if unscrupulous employers don't hire them - they won't have any reason to stay here and they can all go home to rejoin their families they have been so rudely separated from.

They aren't reporting crimes as it is for fear of getting caught and a good number are paid under the table and so aren't paying taxes anyway.

What an idiotic piece of horse manure this story was!

147 posted on 07/10/2007 6:17:38 PM PDT by Heartland Mom (Build the fence, secure our borders, deport illegals - Protect our sovereignty!)
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