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Immigration Bill's Demise Not a Reason to Cheer (Arizona Star barf alert)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 7/1/7 | the editors

Posted on 07/01/2007 3:22:00 PM PDT by hardback

Immigration bill's demise not a reason to cheer Our view: Senate's failure to act will not make our borders any safer, or make the 12 million illegal residents go away

Tucson, Arizona | Published: 07.01.2007 By the end of last week, every politician who could get to a phone or a computer was eager to let the world know how disappointed he or she was over the death of the immigration bill.

Those were the people, like Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., who had made a valiant but unsuccessful effort to create an immigration bill that would lure hard-liners from the far right and far left into the center. That didn't happen. Narrow-mindedness won the day. Anyone who sees this as a victory for America is living in a fantasyland.

Arizona Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen reflected the views of many of the critics when he declared that the defeat of the immigration bill was "a great day for Americans in general and the grassroots of the Republican Party."

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps called the death of the immigration bill "a small but significant victory . . . in the fight to secure our nation's borders."

It is questionable whether either Pullen or the militia reflects the views of most Republicans or most Americans. Certainly their views are opposite of those expressed repeatedly on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, which is arguably the most conservative mainstream newspaper in the country.

There is no question, however, that both Pullen and the militia reflect an opinion consistent with that of the John Birch Society, which says, "The problem facing the nation along the southern border with Mexico is not so much immigration as invasion."

By extension, this view holds that those here illegally are nothing more than criminals, regardless of how long they've been here or what their achievements have been or how much they have contributed to the U.S. economy. But those who cheer the death of the immigration bill in effect cheer the death of progress. The bill's defeat does nothing except maintain the status quo, which is precisely what the critics were fighting against. By a roll-call vote of 46-53, those who were unhappy with the bill basically shot themselves in the foot.

Failure to adopt a comprehensive immigration law will not result in a protective bubble over the United States, nor will it lead to a long line of buses carrying 12 million illegal residents out of the country.

On the contrary, maintaining the status quo means the estimated 12 million undocumented workers will continue playing a game of cat and mouse with immigration authorities. The rejected bill would have set up a system for bringing those people out of the shadows. Amnesty was not a gift without strings; certainly it led to citizenship, but it was a difficult and cumbersome process. It was not carte blanche.

The bill that died addressed that issue, as well as the need for beefed up border security. Voting to allow the bill to proceed by ending debate were 33 Democrats, 12 Republicans — including Kyl and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — and independent Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut. Voting to block the bill by allowing debate to continue were 37 Republicans, 15 Democrats and independent Bernard Sanders of Vermont. One senator, Tim Johnson, D-S.D., did not vote.

Kyl's theory is that the bill's failure was part of the larger voter backlash. A significant number of Americans, he says, lack confidence in the government's ability to secure the border, issue passports and take care of emergencies like Hurricane Katrina.

"Conservative activists," Kyl said, have "a very firm view that the government is unable to get anything right." Those activists had "a huge impact" on the Senate vote, he said.

Kyl may be right, but it seems to be the most positive spin possible to explain the influence of a bunch of fear-mongering, do-nothing pontificators who have been polluting the airwaves all year.

Now they've achieved their goal, which means Congress will not revisit the immigration issue until after the 2008 presidential election. In the 12 days that ended on Wednesday, 11 bodies were found in the desert between the Mexican border and Tucson.

How many more will die before Congress musters the courage to act on an immigration bill that includes a humane process for regulating the flow of foreign workers into the United States?

We've heard all the critics who say such laws already exist, of course, but it doesn't take a genius to see that those laws are not working.

A new approach is needed that includes a guest-worker program, tighter border security and a way to legalize those who are here and have proved themselves worthy of citizenship.

Every member of Congress knows that is needed. However, it is revealing that even a bipartisan effort led by Kyl, a staunch conservative, and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., a staunch liberal, was unable to build a consensus.

The immigration vote was one that will cost us dearly until more reasonable voices make themselves heard.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bordersecurity; congress; cya; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; sellouts; vampirebill

1 posted on 07/01/2007 3:22:04 PM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback; EternalVigilance; indcons; StopAmnestyNow; T.L.Sink; pissant

The defeat of this bill is a positive first step. More needs to be done, obviously, including patriots coming up with a proposal of their own. But this is a good beginning.


2 posted on 07/01/2007 3:24:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Open borders and outsourcing are opposite sides of the same coin)
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To: Clintonfatigued

No Am Nasty.


3 posted on 07/01/2007 3:26:02 PM PDT by CAWats
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To: hardback
All this is according to the ARIZONA RED STAR errrr.... DAILY STAR.
4 posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:28 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: All

Bashing America and Americans is no way to push an immigration/amnesty agenda.

Americans are tired of being called racists, by racists


5 posted on 07/01/2007 3:34:24 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Illegal Alien Amnesty Is Anti-American)
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To: hardback
Yes, it was a victory for the status quo, and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact is, the status quo, however bad, is still better than the bill. Sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils, and in this case, that would be the status quo.

Now that this horrible bill is dead, it is time to introduce an alternative. While it will be hard, I think there is now a historic opporunity to pass a good enforcement bill. The drubbing the "grand bargainers" took last week was so bad, and the American people's demand for enforcement so overwhelming, that there might be just enough GOP and blue dog legislators to get through an enforcement-only bill. Time will tell.

6 posted on 07/01/2007 3:35:11 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: hardback

This one needed a MEGA-BARF alert! Triple Mega-Barf!


7 posted on 07/01/2007 3:40:17 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: curiosity

Some “expert” on “Meet The Press” today said, with the bill’s failure, it will be impossible for Republicans to ever win Florida in the presidential race and, without Florida, “no arithmatic exists that lets them win the White House.”

So I guess we’re screwed, might as well just kill ourselves, not even field a candidate next time. Oh well.


8 posted on 07/01/2007 3:40:44 PM PDT by SoCalRight
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To: hardback

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

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U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

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Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!


9 posted on 07/01/2007 3:43:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: hardback
"How many more will die before Congress musters the courage to act on an immigration bill that includes a humane process for regulating the flow of foreign workers into the United States?"

How do they intend to regulate what the RATs and a few RINOS + Bush wanted to entirely de-regulate ? The brain dead left never gets it and never will. As for the deaths of illegals trying to cross the hot desert in the summertime, here's a reminder: for every human act there is a consequence, and there are often bad consequences to risky acts.

10 posted on 07/01/2007 3:47:22 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: hardback
"...this view holds that those here illegally are nothing more than criminals..."

Well, duh?

11 posted on 07/01/2007 3:47:47 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: SoCalRight

If a TRUE conservative would step up to protect the country and end the free-for-all-shamnesty they’d get a LOT MORE of the vote.


12 posted on 07/01/2007 3:52:12 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: SoCalRight
Some “expert” on “Meet The Press” today said, with the bill’s failure, it will be impossible for Republicans to ever win Florida in the presidential race and, without Florida, “no arithmatic exists that lets them win the White House.”

Yes, I saw that. It amazes me how such supposedly "elite" journalists just blindly accept conventional wisdom without critically examining whether it is supported by the facts. National polls of hispanics don't show overwhelming support for amnesty. Some have even showed majority opposition to it.

As to Florida, I seriously doubt Floridian Hispanic voters support this bill in large numbers. If anything, they resent the fact that so many Mexicans who just walked in here would get amnesty, while at the same time the Coast Guard goes around zealously intercepting their freedom-seeking relatives in the Atlantic and sending them back to Castro.

13 posted on 07/01/2007 4:02:05 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: hardback

Doncha just love the new refrain from the OBL? I’ve heard over and over the past few days that “the borders didn’t get any better” with the demise of the bill. No, they did not. But they didn’t get any worse, either, as they most assuredly would have had this travesty of an immigration bill passed.

I’ll take the status quo for now. It is many orders of magnitude better than amnesty.


14 posted on 07/01/2007 4:13:40 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: hardback
Typical MSM elitism:

... Narrow-mindedness won the day. Anyone who sees this as a victory for America is living in a fantasyland.

Yeah, we all know communist reporters aren't narrow-minded and deal in reality every frickin' time. Face it, you got your ass handed to ya. Yes, your medium IS in decline, and there's nothing you can do about except whine some more.

15 posted on 07/01/2007 4:14:54 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: hardback
The center, as defined by countless polls says that the border should be locked down and illegals deported. The bill said that locking down the border should be looked at and illegals should be made legal.

So the fallacy of the editorial is that the center was represented at all.

16 posted on 07/01/2007 4:25:55 PM PDT by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: hardback
Senate's failure to act will not make our borders any safer, or make the 12 million illegal residents go away

So they set up the straw man in the very first sentence. We killed a bad bill, period. Nobody said that killing it would make our borders safer or make the 12(-30)-million illegals go away.
17 posted on 07/01/2007 4:28:27 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: hardback
The really sad thing is all of these editorials, etc, about the immigration legislation never discuss what was actually in the bill. They don’t talk about the fact that the bill really wasn’t totally written, wasn’t ready for prime time. They don’t talk about the way the bill was pushed with no hearings just vote yest and move along.
18 posted on 07/01/2007 4:32:20 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: hardback
By extension, this view holds that those here illegally are nothing more than criminals

Too funny - you need an 'extension' to veiw 'those here ilegally' as 'criminals'. They can't be serious, can they?

19 posted on 07/01/2007 4:39:45 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Congress learned long ago that if at first you don’t succeed try, try again.

A “new” immigration bill will now be introduced to get accomplished by the anti-Americans wanted to accomplish with the first bill.

If that doesn’t work they will try again. I am old enough to remember when Teddy Kennedy first introduced a universal health care bill in the Seventies. Ho many times has a similar bill been defeated? Yet it is the centerpiece for leading Democrat presidential candidates” campaigns.

In the immigration war, Congress is on the illegal aliens” side against Americans. Congress might not have noticed, but we outnumber them. TERM LIMITS!

20 posted on 07/01/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: hardback


See you at the bill signing. Well, maybe not...
21 posted on 07/01/2007 4:47:48 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudi: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: Paulus Invictus

Right, it’s our President and the Congress that won’t act. If, they won’t act; then it is up to us to make them act to do the right thing. I am sick of their little games that stop everything but what they want to do and that is graft.


22 posted on 07/01/2007 4:48:50 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: hardback

The only thing that sucks more than this immigration bill is a hooker on Saturday night when the fleets in town.

These people are just deluded.


23 posted on 07/01/2007 5:05:30 PM PDT by packrat35 (Bush whither be thy brain)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“Immigration bill’s demise not a reason to cheer Our view: Senate’s failure to act will not make our borders any safer, or make the 12 million illegal residents go away.”

The Senate has acted. It put a bill on the Presidents desk which said fence the border and the President signed it. It put a bill on the Presidents desk asking for 18000 more border guards and the President signed it.

It wasn’t the Senates failure to act. It was the Senates inability to do anything that would benefit the country instead of their own agendas.


24 posted on 07/01/2007 5:14:55 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (THE US SENATE IS THE MOST CORRUPT BODY POLITIC SINCE THE ROMAN EMPIRE.)
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To: weaponeer

I am so tired of this incomprehensible discrimination and bigotry, even criminals like prostitutes, bank robbers and check forgers contribute to the economy too. They just want to feed their families.


25 posted on 07/01/2007 5:26:59 PM PDT by mission9 (Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
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To: R.W.Ratikal; cyborg

“If that doesn’t work they will try again. I am old enough to remember when Teddy Kennedy...”

It’s time we cut off the head of this poisonus viper, and TARGET Kennedy for GONE in the next election.

It’s tough, but we can do it, if we join together and focus.


26 posted on 07/01/2007 5:39:19 PM PDT by XBob (Jail the employers of the INVADERS !!)
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To: hardback
"Conservative activists," Kyl said, have "a very firm view that the government is unable to get anything right."

A wise and prudent view of government, in my opinion.

27 posted on 07/01/2007 5:40:36 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: curiosity

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1858275/posts?page=38#38

Posted by WOSG to TChris
On News/Activism 06/29/2007 3:43:23 PM CDT · 49 of 63

Good list. Here is my list ....

“so what are you for?” asked Senator Kennedy.

We do need an answer that says here is what we are for. We need an answer that unites most Americans.

This is our immigration and illegal immigration program for the next 18 months:
Enforcement first. Legal immigration law changes later. Amnesty never.

Executive branch:
1. Build the border fence ASAP and secure the border, reduce border crossings by 90%
2. Deport criminal aliens aggressively, and significantly reduce 600,000 deportation order backlog
3. Get US visit program really implemented to track entries, exits and visa overstays

Legislation needed now:
4. Implement and establish employee verification program to enforce immigration law in the workplace
5. Eliminate sanctuary cities (i.e., the Coleman amendment)
6. Funding to implement items 1,2, and 3.

Later:
7. Replace ‘chain migration’ with a more employment-focussed and merit-based immigration
system, where we select the best from around the world.
8. End anchor babies.
9. Temporary worker program that is limited.


28 posted on 07/01/2007 5:46:34 PM PDT by WOSG (thank the Senators who voted "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: freekitty

I think the message the people wanted to send to Senator Kyl was EARN our trust , build the wall, secure the border, then we will listen to plans for the illegals already here. I say that with respect for Senator Kyl who is a good man. There is no sense sending a message to Kennedy, he is a buffoon living on respect for dead relatives.


29 posted on 07/01/2007 5:47:51 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: hardback

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

30 posted on 07/01/2007 5:50:27 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: hardback
In the 12 days that ended on Wednesday, 11 bodies were found in the desert between the Mexican border and Tucson.

How many more will die before Congress musters the courage to act on an immigration bill that includes a humane process for regulating the flow of foreign workers into the United States?

How long before the Arizona Daily Star hands out free papers in Mexico telling them not to attempt to enter the US as it's against the law and it's deadly dangerous?

Yeah, I know, we will all be dead before that happens.

31 posted on 07/01/2007 6:07:33 PM PDT by RJL
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To: WOSG

That’s a good list. I would strike #9 if it were up to me, but if we get all the other items, I could live with it.


32 posted on 07/01/2007 6:23:34 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: hardback

I didn’t realize — read it from Mark Steyn, a legal immigrant — that the bill forced all the legal immigrants to the back of the line while the illegal ones were being absorbed. I hadn’t heard that, and I’m not gonna argue with Steyn, arguably the best columnist in America in our day.

Isn’t that odd? He was pointing out that the legals were getting punished and the illegals were getting rewarded.

I would not trust a 400+ page bill in Congress if it were authored by Billy Graham and co-signed by the Pope.

Way too many words.


33 posted on 07/01/2007 6:48:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: SoCalRight
Some “expert” on “Meet The Press” today said, with the bill’s failure, it will be impossible for Republicans to ever win Florida in the presidential race and, without Florida, “no arithmatic exists that lets them win the White House.”

So the political will of one state controls the whole country?...geez just one load after another...will it ever stop??

34 posted on 07/01/2007 6:58:04 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("People get the leaders they deserve" (hear that Mexico??))
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To: hardback

Liberal OBL twisted-panties hand-wringing barf alert.


35 posted on 07/01/2007 7:12:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Borax Queen
Narrow-mindedness won the day. Anyone who sees this as a victory for America is living in a fantasyland.
36 posted on 07/01/2007 7:13:28 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: hardback

Naturally the Arizona Daily Star and every other liberal Democrat toilet paper of the same ilk are bemoaning the defeat of the abominable immigration bill - - their dream of millions more taxpayer-sucking Democrat parasites being legalized just went down the drain. Boo hoo.


37 posted on 07/01/2007 7:20:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
their dream of millions more taxpayer-sucking Democrat parasites being legalized just went down the drain. Boo hoo.

bump!

38 posted on 07/01/2007 7:28:57 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: George W. Bush

BWAHAHAH!! That just became my desktop picture. :)


39 posted on 07/01/2007 7:43:31 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: WOSG
1 thru 9 work for me!
40 posted on 07/01/2007 7:55:02 PM PDT by raftguide
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To: hardback
The Arizona Daily Star and the rest of the MSM are saddened, deeply saddened, by the demise of amnesty. Americans aren't.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

41 posted on 07/01/2007 8:21:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: curiosity

“That’s a good list. I would strike #9 if it were up to me, but if we get all the other items, I could live with it.”

One thing the pro-amnesty side has been saying that is partially valid is that if we don’t have paths for legal employment-based immigration, the demand for illegal immigration with continue. We need to have some level of legal immigration, or the only immigration will be illegal immigration. what I favor is ending chain migration and replacing it with point-based merit immigration and combining it with a temporary worker program so the low-skilled labor issue is address there. The point about temporary worker program is that we should address the agricultural jobs issue without creating an open-ended program and one subject to abuse. The problem with “AgJobs” and other bills is that they are amnesty bills, that also have provision that end up being anything but temporary worker visas - they can stay unlimited and get on the green card track. What we need instead is a simple, real, temporary worker program - employee only (no family), go home after a number of years, no special green card slots.

One other thing lost in the immigration discussion is the fact that we already have all sorts of visas - too many actually. We should simplify from the 70 or so visa types to under 10 or less.


42 posted on 07/01/2007 8:48:45 PM PDT by WOSG (thank the Senators who voted "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: hardback

>>Certainly their views are opposite of those expressed repeatedly on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, which is arguably the most conservative mainstream newspaper in the country.<<

“conservative mainstream newspaper” is an oxymoron.

>>How many more will die before Congress musters the courage to act on an immigration bill that includes a humane process for regulating the flow of foreign workers into the United States?<<

How many more Americans (and aliens) will be killed by illegal aliens before Congress and Bush start believing in enforcement?


43 posted on 07/01/2007 9:02:11 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: WOSG
One thing the pro-amnesty side has been saying that is partially valid is that if we don’t have paths for legal employment-based immigration, the demand for illegal immigration with continue. We need to have some level of legal immigration, or the only immigration will be illegal immigration.

While I agree we should have some legal immigration, I disagree that we "need" it. If the penalties for hiring illegals are high enough, and enforced with the same zeal most criminal law is enforced with, the demand for illegal workers would be very low. No respectable establishment would want to hire an illegal if it faced a reasonable probability of getting caught and fined. Of course, no matter what we do, short of legalizing all immigration, we will never eradicate all illegal immigration, no more than we can erradicate murder or bank roberrty. As NRO's Andy McCarthy pointed out, crime problems are not solved, they are managed.

But it is possible, even with very low levels of legal immigration, to have tolerably low illegal immigration. Now that's not necessarily desirable, but it is doable. Japan did it, for example. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying we ought to copy Japan's immigration policy; they should allow in more (highly skilled) immigrants, IMHO. My only point is that keeping illegal immigration levels low is possible regardless of how many legal immigrants we let in.

what I favor is ending chain migration and replacing it with point-based merit immigration

Agreed.

and combining it with a temporary worker program so the low-skilled labor issue is address there.

Unemployment among low skill Americans is in double digits. I fail to see why we need to import more such people. Our own already cause enough problems as it is.

The point about temporary worker program is that we should address the agricultural jobs issue

There's no issue to address. There's no such thing as a job an American won't do if the wage is high enough. If we cut off the cheap supply of illegal farm workers, farm worker wages would go up to the point where enough workers are willing to pick the crops. Food prices would go up, but only by a small amount since farm labor is such a tiny fraction of total food costs. Ag economists have already run these numbers. Higher farm labor costs would also induce agribusiness to invest in more labor saving technology and R&D. This is already happening, as now the industry is working to develop robots to pick oranges, for example.

without creating an open-ended program and one subject to abuse.

Unfortunately, there is no way of creating a guest worker program that wouldn't turn out to be something like this. There's no such thing as a temporary worker.

What we need instead is a simple, real, temporary worker program - employee only (no family), go home after a number of years, no special green card slots.

The problem is, they don't go home. Just ask the Germans what happened to all those supposedly "temporary" Turks they imported. Ask the Dutch about their "temporary" Arabs.

One other thing lost in the immigration discussion is the fact that we already have all sorts of visas - too many actually. We should simplify from the 70 or so visa types to under 10 or less.

Agreed.

44 posted on 07/01/2007 10:54:35 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: XBob

amen


45 posted on 07/02/2007 9:02:21 PM PDT by cyborg (Long Island Half Marathon finisher!)
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