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Shoeless George Bush--Washington's continuing confusion with Islam
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 4, 2007 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 07/04/2007 9:09:03 AM PDT by SJackson

When Dwight D. Eisenhower dedicated the Islamic Center in Washington, D.C., in June 1957, his 500-word talk effused good will ("Civilization owes to the Islamic world some of its most important tools and achievements") even as the American president embarrassingly bumbled (Muslims in the United States, he declared, have the right to their "own church"). Conspicuously, he included nary a word about policy.

Exactly 50 years later, standing shoeless, George W. Bush rededicated the center last week. His 1,600-word speech also praised medieval Islamic culture ("We come to express our appreciation for a faith that has enriched civilization for centuries"), but he knew a mosque from a church – and he had more on the agenda than flattery.

Most arresting, surely, was his statement that "I have invested the heart of my presidency in helping Muslims fight terrorism, and claim their liberty, and find their own unique paths to prosperity and peace." This cri du coeur signaled how Mr. Bush understands to what extent actions by Muslims will define his legacy.

Should they heed his dream "and find their own unique paths to prosperity and peace," then his presidency, however ravaged it may look at the moment, will be vindicated. As with Harry S Truman, historians will acknowledge that he saw further than his contemporaries. Should Muslims, however, be "left behind in the global movement toward prosperity and freedom," historians will likely judge his two terms as harshly as his fellow Americans do today.

Of course, how Muslims fare depends in large part on the future course of radical Islam, which in turn depends in some part on its understanding by the American president. Over the years, Mr. Bush has generally shown an increased understanding of this topic. He started with platitudinous, apologetic references to Islam as the "religion of peace," using this phrase as late as 2006. He early on even lectured Muslims on the true nature of their religion, a presumptuous ambition that prompted me in 2001 to dub him "Imam Bush."

As his understanding grew, Mr. Bush spoke of the caliphate, "Islamic extremism" and "Islamofacism." What euphemistically he called the "war on terror" in 2001, by 2006 he referred to with the hard-hitting "war with Islamic fascists." Things were looking up. Perhaps official Washington did understand the threat, after all.

But such analyses roused Muslim opposition and, as he approaches his political twilight, Mr. Bush has retreated to safer ground, reverting last week to decayed tropes that tiptoe around any mention of Islam. Instead, he spoke inelegantly of "the great struggle against extremism that is now playing out across the broader Middle East" and vaguely of "a group of extremists who seek to use religion as a path to power and a means of domination."

Worse, the speech drum-rolled the appointment of a U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, directing this envoy to "listen to and learn from" his Muslim counterparts. But the OIC is a Saudi-sponsored organization promoting the Wahhabi agenda under the trappings of a Muslim-only United Nations. As counterterrorism specialist Steven Emerson has noted, Bush's dismal initiative stands in "complete ignorance of the rampant radicalism, pro-terrorist, and anti-American sentiments routinely found in statements by the OIC and its leaders."

Adding to the event's accommodationist tone, some of the president's top female aides, including Frances Townsend and Karen Hughes, wore makeshift hijabs as they listened to him in the audience.

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Sitting in the front row at the Islamic Center on June 27, 2007, senior Bush administration staffers Frances Townsend (left) and Karen Hughes wore makeshift hijabs.

In brief, it feels like "déjà vu all over again." As columnist Diana West puts it, "Nearly six years after September 11 — nearly six years after first visiting the Islamic Center and proclaiming ‘Islam is peace' — Mr. Bush has learned nothing." But we now harbor fewer hopes than in 2001 that he still can learn, absorb, and reflect an understanding of the enemy's Islamist nature.

Concluding that he basically has failed to engage this central issue, we instead must look to Mr. Bush's potential successors and look for them to return to his occasional robustness, again taking up those difficult concepts of Islamic extremism, Shari'a, and the caliphate. Several Republicans – Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and (above all) Fred Thompson – are doing just that. Democratic candidates, unfortunately, prefer to remain almost completely silent on this topic.

Almost 30 years after Islamists first attacked Americans, and on the eve of three major attempted terrorist attacks in Great Britain, the president's speech reveals how confused Washington remains.



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clueless; danielpipes; dhimmi; dhimmitude; islam; pipes; terrorism; wot
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To: Sender

There was a time when Christians believed their God wanted them to kill and conquer. But that was nevertheless the same God Christians worship today.


101 posted on 07/05/2007 4:05:55 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: SJackson

Clueless George.Aside from Arabic Guitar Scales I can’t think of any contributions from those scumbags.


102 posted on 07/05/2007 4:39:13 AM PDT by omega4179 (El 43.o presidente de los Estados Unidos De Norteam?rica Jorge W Bush)
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To: wolfinator

Are you referring to the conquistadors or the crusades?


103 posted on 07/05/2007 4:44:31 AM PDT by omega4179 (El 43.o presidente de los Estados Unidos De Norteam?rica Jorge W Bush)
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To: wolfinator
There was a time when Christians believed their God wanted them to kill and conquer. But that was nevertheless the same God Christians worship today.

No such instructions exist in the Bible. The Koran on the other hand, trashes Christianity and Judaism and contains express instructions to exclude, kill and enslave them.

Sounds like the same god to you? Anyone who thinks muslims worship the same god as Jews and Christians have either never read the koran, is a dumb sucker, or is practicing false tolerance.

104 posted on 07/05/2007 6:27:42 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: ChessExpert
Mexicans demand U.S. citizenship. Can U.S. citizens become Mexican citizens??? Nooooo.

Mexicans regularly hold dual U.S./Mexican citizenship--and vote in both U.S. and Mexican elections. Can U.S. citizens do that??? Nooooo.

Mexicans own property in the U.S. Can U.S. citizens own property in Mexico???? Nooooo.

George Bush and the Leftists who agree with him want "justice" for foreigners for not for U.S. citizens. That's not justice.

For even advocating such things a President of the United States should be impeached!

And this does not even mention the fact that Bush has REFUSED and CONTINUES TO REFUSE to uphold and enforce U.S. immigration laws--despite his oath to do so!

105 posted on 07/05/2007 7:06:07 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Ignore the will of the people at your peril, Political "Aristocrats"!)
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To: rageaholic

The Bible also contains some imperatives and admonisions that many, if not most, followers ignore. Most Muslims, I believe, reject those small portions of the Koran that advocate killing followers of other religions.

And, my main point remains, we all worship the same God.

I know there is a group here on FR that believe all or most Muslims are evil and that the practice of Islam itself is evil. I reject that view entirely.


106 posted on 07/05/2007 7:26:14 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: wolfinator
those small portions of the Koran that advocate killing followers of other religions.

Just as you tried to claim earlier in this thread that Bush never said "islam is peace" once again, its clear you are misinformed.

If you actually read the koran, and I'm convinced you haven't, it would be clear to you that advocating jihad and the conquering of all other religions are not "small portions" but central to islam. These instructions from allah cannot be "rejected" by muslims, to do so would be apostasy.

Ask any practicing muslim you know if they will "reject" the violence and calls to jihad in the koran. They will either flatly refuse, or attempt to evade the question.

107 posted on 07/05/2007 8:02:41 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: wolfinator; rageaholic

The dangerous segment of islam is all of it; islam is an enemy ideology. If September 11th didn’t teach you this simple fact then you are truly ignorant. How many more innocent people need to die to prove this so???

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion (which was proven wrong by rageaholic). And I’m entitled to my opinion that since you are incorrect; whatever comments you make furthermore, aren’t worth consideration, PERIOD. In MY opinion.


108 posted on 07/05/2007 10:52:30 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: John Frum

If I personally know Muslims who are decent patriotic Americans, then it would be impossible for anyone to prove that all Muslims are evil. And your thesis would be wrong. But, by the way, what exactly is your thesis?


109 posted on 07/06/2007 5:01:13 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: John Frum
The dangerous segment of islam is all of it; islam is an enemy ideology.

Exactly right. Funny, liberal fools like Wolvinator cry how wrong it is to judge a religion by a few fringe elements, but that's exactly what he does when he says islam must be good because he's acquainted with a few non jihadis. Islam is not a handful of people who Wolvinator selects, it is the sum of its parts, and the sum is poison.

How could islam be anything else when their contract with their god is expressly opposed to the basic freedoms that we guarantee in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights: freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from bondage, etc, etc?

Wolvinator's pathetic platitutes are like saying Nazism must be good, because there were a few good Germans, except that would be more true, because at least the Nazis produced useful technlogical achievements. Islam produced nothing, it only feeds off the corpses of the civilizations it destroys.

Know them by their fruits, not by the politically correct whinings of people like Wolfinator who make up facts to suit themselves, e.g. Bush never said "Islam is Peace." LOL He is either so ignorant of events or brazen in his lies, that one can't take anything he says at face value. Not even worth reading his BS

110 posted on 07/06/2007 6:54:26 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: wolfinator; rageaholic
Yeah, right, Muslims are decent Americans *SARCASM*. I cannot name one muslim who fits such a profile.

You say that you "personally know Muslims who are decent patriotic Americans" and yet thousands of 'supposedly' decent muslims cheered the attacks that happened on Sept 11th. These were muslims in the USA and also overseas. You can do a variety of searches on the internet and else where and see these disgraceful images, including ones where they burn the American Flag.

These so called decent muslims are part of the silent majority who don't bother to speak up against militant/extremist islam. Daniel Pipes has it right, if you bother to read and understand what he's saying, all the warning signs are right there. And thus I condemn the silent majority as being complicit and share as much guilt as those in the militant/extremist factions.

111 posted on 07/06/2007 9:18:23 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: SJackson

bttt


112 posted on 07/06/2007 9:19:59 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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"If I personally know Muslims who are decent patriotic Americans."

That some people who claim to be Muslims still function in the modern world is a tribute only to their ability to ignore much of Islam. There may be moderate muslims. But there is no moderate islam.

Thomas Jefferson: "Too long, for the honor of nations, have those Barbarians been [permitted] to trample on the sacred faith of treaties, on the rights and laws of human nature!"

And what about this version of the Quran that Thomas Jefferson possessed? and that Ellison used in his swearing-in photo opportunity? Its author, George Sales, translated the Quran in 1734 so that his Protestant readership, in learning more about its contents, could "attack the Koran with success" and Sales maintained that it would be Protestants to whom, within Christianity, would fall the task of checking Islam: "for them [the Protestants]...Providence has reserved the glory of its overthrow!"

“Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” -- Omar M. Ahmad, Chairman of the Board, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Conference in Freemont, California.

More

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA&eurl=

113 posted on 07/06/2007 9:59:38 PM PDT by anglian
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA&eurl=


114 posted on 07/06/2007 10:00:08 PM PDT by anglian
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To: John Frum
I condemn the silent majority as being complicit and share as much guilt as those in the militant/extremist factions.

Agreed. The majority muslims are like lazy, dirty welfare neighbors-- they don't keep clean, so we get their cockroaches. They are totally to blame.

PC propaganda is a virus, some unfortunates like wolvinator contract it and never recover, while other people such as you and I are immune to it. America is fortunate to have us on watch.

115 posted on 07/07/2007 5:49:49 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: John Frum

I hear your anger and I understand it. But I think your anger has affected your ability to see clearly. For example, there was never really any significant occurance of American Muslim celebration after 9/11. To the contrary, there were far more displays of outrage and patriotism among that group.

Just yesterday I posted an article here about Arab American US military veterans, many if not most of whom were Muslim, turning out to celebrate Memorial Day in Dearborn Michigan. These men and women have risked and in some cases given their lives for this country.

I’m all for encouraging Muslims to speak out against extremism. But it will never happen if we succumb to hatred of all Muslims.


116 posted on 07/07/2007 7:09:04 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: nmh
Yeah, those women look real thrilled to be sitting there in makeshift head veils. They couldn’t look more detached from the b.s. event.

I'm unfamiliar with Townsend, but I don't agree with you as to Hughes. She has Bush's ear and is principally responsible for his cockeyed views of statements about Islam, IMO. Disinterested she was not.
117 posted on 07/07/2007 7:31:10 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: SJackson

So Bush is a clueless dhimmi!


118 posted on 07/07/2007 7:34:06 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: SJackson

dhimmitude bump


119 posted on 07/08/2007 7:59:28 AM PDT by Dajjal
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To: wolfinator; rageaholic
I see clearly and without prejudice. There were plenty of SIGNIFICANT american muslim celebrations on 9/11.

Here is a perfect example of such celebrations: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12138

And for those who cannot read this link, as a favor to them I will cut and paste the text of such, below:

Celebrating 9/11 at the FBI

By Paul Sperry

FrontPageMagazine.com | February 11, 2004

When linguist Sibel Dinez Edmonds showed up for her first day of work at the FBI, a week after the 9-11 attacks, she expected to find a somber atmosphere. Instead, she was offered cookies filled with dates from party bowls set out in the room where other Middle Eastern linguists with top-secret security clearance translate terror-related communications. She knew the dessert is customarily served in the Middle East at weddings, births and other celebrations, and asked what the happy occasion was. To her shock, she was told the Arab linguists were celebrating the terrorist attacks on America, as if they were some joyous event. Right in front of her supervisor, one translator cheered: "It's about time they got a taste of what they've been giving the Middle East." She found out later that it was her supervisor's wife who helped organize the office party there at the bureau's Washington field office, just four blocks from the J. Edgar Hoover Building. "This guy's wife brought the date-filled cookies for the celebration," Edmonds, 33, recalled. At the time, the supervisor, Mike Feghali, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Beirut, was in charge of the FBI's Turkish and Farsi desks. But he's been promoted since then, and now also runs the all-important Arabic desk, which is key to intercepting the next al-Qaida plot. It gets worse. The language service squad is the front line in the FBI's war on terrorism, collecting all foreign language tips, information and terrorist threats to homeland security. Agents act on what the squad translates and reports. The sooner they get the information, the sooner they can thwart terrorist attacks. Investigators had missed clues to both the 2001 and 1993 World Trade Center attacks because they were buried in a backlog of untranslated wiretaps and documents in Arabic. Despite the backlog, Feghali told Edmonds and other translators to just let the work pile higher, according to Edmonds. Why? Money. She says Feghali, who has recruited family and friends to work with him at the high-paying language unit, argued that Congress would approve an even bigger budget for it if they could continue to show big backlogs. "We were told to take long breaks, to slow down translations, and to simply say 'no' to those field agents calling us to beg for speedy translations so that they could go on with their investigations and interrogations of those they had detained," said Edmonds, who was fired without specified cause by the FBI after she reported breaches in security, mistranslations and potential espionage by Middle Eastern colleagues. She claims Feghali actually tampered with her work to slow her down. "My supervisor went as far as getting into my work computer and deleting almost completed work so that I had to go back and start all over again," she said. Edmonds, a Turkish-American who is not a practicing Muslim, made the allegations last month in a 9-page letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee. She also claims that Feghali threatened to sue the bureau for racial discrimination, but dropped the suit once the bureau promoted him, says Edmonds and other sources. The FBI, which like the army suffers from a severe shortage of Arabic translators, instated a bureau-wide Muslim-sensitivity training program after 9-11. Reached by phone at his Maryland home, Feghali was brusque and refused to talk about the allegations. "I'm not at liberty to discuss this thing, OK?" he said before abruptly hanging up. The spokesperson for the FBI's Washington field office, Debbie Weierman, did not return repeated phone calls. Feghali, who holds several foreign language degrees, has been an FBI language specialist for several years. He was a key translator in the government's case against al-Qaida operatives charged in the U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya, and even testified in court. Sources say he is planning to move back to Lebanon. A key player in the 9-11 plot and the likely pilot of United Airlines Flight 93, the suicide plane that crashed apparently en route to the U.S. Capitol, was Ziad Samir Jarrah, a Lebanese. Edmonds has also complained about Feghali and other Middle Eastern translators to the Justice Department inspector general. And on Wednesday, she is scheduled to give a detailed briefing to members of the 9-11 commission in a secure room here. She claims terrorist "investigations are being compromised," and has demanded an independent probe of the FBI's language department. "If there were, and are, persons within the language department that either intentionally prevented translation because of their agendas, or persons who were, and are, not qualified to properly translate, it is likely that terrorist communications prior to 9-11 were missed; and it is likely that current and future terrorist communications will likewise be missed," Edmonds wrote Justice's Inspector General Glenn A. Fine in a Jan. 5 letter. "I have alleged, and the FBI has confirmed (to Senate investigators), that there are in fact such persons in the language department." Fine still has not released the findings of his internal probe, even though Edmonds first filed her complaint with his office almost two years ago. Speaking for Fine, Justice official Carol Ochoa said the investigation is "still ongoing." "We are working hard to complete it expeditiously," she said in a Jan. 6 letter to Edmonds.

Get your facts straight. Your grand pronouncements that 'this isn't so' without checking facts makes all of your arguments weak.

I do see the situation clearly.

Its you who have obfuscated and choose not to understand the true threat that militant islam poses to the world, and the defacto condonement by the majority of moderate (and silent) muslims.

120 posted on 07/08/2007 4:02:51 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: John Frum

I don’t know what volvonators deal is, maybe he’s one of those many stealth muslims tasked to propagate their crap on the internet. But he lost all credibility when he claimed Bush never said “islam is peace”. He doesn’t realize we have the internet to trip him up.


121 posted on 07/08/2007 4:08:37 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic

I’m going to look into Frum’s story. Maybe there’s truth in it, maybe not. I never said stuff like that didn’t happen. I said that it was far overshadowed by the outpouring of grief and patriotism shown by most American Muslims.

But you, rageaholic, you still can’t show a quote where Bush said “Islam is peace.” You might find similar sounding quotes that mean different things, but you won’t find the specific in-context quote you claim.

Now, while I do a little homework on Frum’s story, ponder the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861682/posts


122 posted on 07/08/2007 5:57:09 PM PDT by wolfinator
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To: wolfinator; John Frum
I read Edmonds’ allegtions about translators at the FBI celebrating 9/11. These have never been corroborated, though of course that doesn't necessarily mean they are untrue. Still, I remain skeptical to say the least. So many similar allegations were shown to be completely bogus.

But at the same time, we had ample evidence (the examples from Dearborn, for example) of Arab Americans expressing sadness and outrage at the 9/11 attack. We also have the many Arab American soldiers fighting in our military.

The most either of you can say is that there are some bad Muslim Americans and many Muslim extremists around the world. I won’t ever deny that. But both of you continue to deny the fact that Muslims have lived peacefully in America for over 100 years and that the vast majority continue to do so. You simply seem to ignore any information that goes against your thesis that all Muslims are inherently evil.

I did a little checking on Mr. Frum’s prior posts here on FR and found things like his referring to Muslims as “a billion pieces of filth” and “subhuman.”

Where do such “arguments” take you, Mr. Frum? What exactly would you like to see done to American Muslims?

123 posted on 07/08/2007 6:30:14 PM PDT by wolfinator
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To: wolfinator
They are not allegations, its fact.

You choose to ignore facts presented to you because it suits your argument.

I stand behind any and all statements I may have said in the past, although I will not believe anything that you choose to quote as you are full of inaccuracies. I don't need to check what I may have said before.

Here is perfect example, not only did Rageaholic already post the specific in context quote once before, you neglected to read it, before you reacted. Then you react with the same wrong information that you posted before he corrected you (with the type of information that a 3rd grader could likely find in less than a minute on the White House website, which is beyond reproach in terms of accuracy).

Again, I will requote and re-emphasize again (in bold face) below:

But you, rageaholic, you still can’t show a quote where Bush said “Islam is peace.” You might find similar sounding quotes that mean different things, but you won’t find the specific in-context quote you claim he did, and he posted a link to the white house website, with the press release.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace

Once again you've made a proclamation and you've been proven dead flat wrong, your credibility is shot.

124 posted on 07/08/2007 8:43:44 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: John Frum; rageaholic

I do apologize—you are both correct about President Bush’s statement. I was wrong.

But in its context, I agree completely with the president’s remark.

Now let’s talk about credibility. Particularly you, Mr. Frum.

You have ignored every example I’ve given you regarding peaceful patriotic American Muslims and about Muslims overseas who deplore the actions and beliefs of the extremists. Moreover, Mr. Frum, your previously insanely hateful comments regarding Muslims are a matter of record here on FR as is your failure to address them now.

In terms of credibility, I think I beat you hands down. Note, for example, that not a single GOP candidate would support your assertion that the world’s billion Muslims constitutes “a billion pieces of filth.” Nor would they agree with you that there are no peaceful patriotic Muslim Americans.

Only the fascist far right would go along with you on these points.

So, I have to say, I’m pretty happy with my credibility. I may make an honest mistake now and then, but I’m not an enemy of American freedom and principle.


125 posted on 07/09/2007 6:03:23 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: SJackson
There are some cultures who came to Islam through strength. Bosnians and Turks. The others -- nearly all through weakness. Originally Mohammed set out to restore a moral order, as best I figure. He saw the widespread drunkeness and gambling and sexual perversities of his fellow Arabians as troubling. Under the guidance of his uncle and his first wife, he cobbled together a cult. And, by the will of G-d, it was a timely thing to do. It was wildly successful.

Yet, it is a cancer to all who encounter it through weakness, and a disability o those who come to it through strength. It is false, a confusion. A breeding ground for grudge bearers and the perverted vicious soul.

126 posted on 07/09/2007 6:14:22 AM PDT by bvw
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To: whatisthetruth; Savage Beast; wolfinator; omega4179; rageaholic; John Frum; anglian; ...
My comments on this article - I think you will find interesting -

How Not To Dress Like A Muslim Slut

127 posted on 07/09/2007 6:22:20 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: beethovenfan
Here is a list of the positive contributions of Islam to society... End of list.

You forgot...

Dates
Bomb Targets

128 posted on 07/09/2007 7:18:19 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Weeedley
Would Truman have whored himself to be speak at a shinto shrine during the War in the Pacific?

A more apt comparison would have been FDR visiting a Japanese Shinto shrine a few days after Pearl Harbor, taking his shoes off, and declaring Japanese as "peaceful". Unthinkable, right? But Bush did the same thing a mere 4 days after 9/11--while the ground still smoldered in New York, he took his shoes off in a flithy mosque and declared "Islam is Peace". He shamed all Americans, and I have viewed him with suspicion from that very day. My wife and I knew that he had taken the wrong path in the then-nascent "war on terror". Bush simply doesn't get it. God help us if the next guy doesn't either.

129 posted on 07/09/2007 7:23:44 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
He is cementing a place in history as a worse war time president than Johnson. At least Johnson in all his ineptitude knew who the bad guys were. A resignation and letting Cheney finish the term is the only thing that saves this mess.
130 posted on 07/09/2007 7:36:43 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: Do Be
Bush has a point - in the long run. In the short run Bush's ideas are an invitation to be walked on... And that's how he's being judged. Short run.

In the long run, Muslims will join the real world. Hopefully before their fellow humans wipe them off the face of the earth.

The ideas behind Islam condemn it's followers to poverty and war.

And yes, on the edges, it is a death cult. Some Muslims are starting to see this - - they wonder why, if their religion is so great - does it produce war, poverty and hatred. Muslims need to question. Bush needs a plan that forces the debate.

131 posted on 07/09/2007 8:05:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (A bunch of bands taking big tax breaks isn't a "movement" - "Live Earth" ? More "rent a crowd"...)
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To: expatguy
How Not To Dress Like A Muslim Slut

How's this?


132 posted on 07/09/2007 10:09:55 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: whatisthetruth

Oh well... that is definitely slut material


133 posted on 07/09/2007 10:21:59 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: GOPJ
Bush has a point - in the long run. In the short run Bush's ideas are an invitation to be walked on... And that's how he's being judged. Short run.

I'm not sure why you replied to me but since you did . . .

Bush is not the savior of the world. It's not his job to save the jolly folks of Islam.

In the short run he is supposed to perform his duties as President of the United States. But instead, in the short run, his best buddies are the Saudis and Ted Kennedy, neither of which have this country's best interests at heart.

In the long run my guess is that, if the Hindus are right about the afterlife, he's probably going to reincarnate as a worm.

In the long run, Muslims will join the real world. .

Why are you speaking for the Muslims? There isn't much evidence that Muslims are "joiners". If your goal is to spread peace and love then perhaps instead you could say," They just don't seem to play well with others, bless their hearts."

Hopefully before their fellow humans wipe them off the face of the earth.

Their fellow humans are probably too civilized to wipe them off the face of the earth. What's really needed is a good pruning. You know, the kind where it looks like you've killed the bush but it will, in the long run, grow back, hopefully healthier.

The ideas behind Islam condemn it's followers to poverty and war.

Let me get this straight. You think in the long run the mussies will join the real world but admit that it is their religious beliefs that have kept them from doing so. So you think that in the long run they're going to rewrite the Koran? Or that they will see the light and all become Christians?

And yes, on the edges, it is a death cult.

And yes, in the middle it produces war, poverty and hatred.

Some Muslims are starting to see this - - they wonder why, if their religion is so great - does it produce war, poverty and hatred.

In your world there are Muslims going around thinking their religion is wrong based upon their living conditions. Are these the same Muslims that have been drawing cartoons of Mohamed?

Muslims need to question.

Yes, and bathe more often and display a little less arrogance. Perhaps you could be the one to tell them so.

Bush needs a plan that forces the debate.

Bush needs to do his job. The military forces of the civilized world need to force the debate.

134 posted on 07/09/2007 11:39:11 AM PDT by Do Be (The heart is smarter than the head.)
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To: wolfinator; rageaholic

Either you are a closet liberal (in which case why you hang out on a conservative bulletin board is beyond comprehension) or you are a closet muslim. In my opinion both are pretty much not worth their salt they contain.

Fascism is for gullible losers. Socialism is also for losers. Communism IS a failure. Only capitalism is the true salvation.


135 posted on 07/10/2007 9:40:40 PM PDT by John Frum
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