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Debate over massive fence plan is heating up in South Texas
Star-Telegram ^ | 7-8-07 | JAY ROOT

Posted on 07/08/2007 7:13:18 AM PDT by Dysart

EAGLE PASS -- He's been living here off and on for more than half a century, so rancher Bill Moody figured he had experienced about all the excitement and madness the Texas-Mexico border could produce.

When there's not a drug bust going down or a lost immigrant begging him for food, Moody sometimes finds himself in the company of Hollywood directors, like the one who filmed Lonesome Dove here years ago and was back again recently working on a prequel called Comanche Moon.

But the federal plan for a massive security fence along the border strikes Moody as too far-fetched for a screenplay and downright nutty for his gigantic Rancho Rio Grande, which runs through three counties between Del Rio and Eagle Pass.

"If the wall would help I wouldn't mind. But it won't help. It'll be a big expense, a big problem, ugly as hell and unfriendly to Mexico," said Moody, 84, born in Galveston and heir to one of the largest and oldest fortunes in Texas. "It's not going to happen."

Moody and other landowners along the Rio Grande generally have little in common with open-border proponents and environmental activists, who have their own reasons for opposing the 700-mile fencing project approved by Congress late last year. But taken together, their voices have cranked up the heat against a fence along the border.

A wall may be popular in Arizona, or in the suburbs of North Texas for that matter, but Texans living along the border are more likely to call it a government boondoggle waiting to happen.

"I think it's the stupidest idea I've ever heard of," said Brian O'Brien, a wealthy Houston oilman who has an 18,000-acre ranch, seven miles of it along the Rio Grande, near Eagle Pass. "If the river doesn't keep them out, why do you think a wall will?"

The quandaries

The first casualty of the federal fence-building project could actually be another federal program: the decades-long, multimillion dollar effort by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to restore habitat for endangered plant and animal species in the Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge. Carefully pieced together since 1980, the brushy riverfront tracts are now the ripest of targets for a Texas border fence because there's no need for messy landowner negotiations or condemnation proceedings. It's Uncle Sam's property already.

But, the critics ask, what happens to the land on the south side of the wall? Does it become a no man's land, a de facto part of Mexico? The University of Texas at Brownsville discovered recently that plans called for part of its campus to be on the south side of the fence. Would students need a passport to get to math class?

And would ranchers like Moody and O'Brien suddenly need permission to water their cattle in the Rio Grande?

"I think there's a bunch of knee-jerk politicians up in Washington who need to come down here and see what's really going on, instead of posturing in front of the TV cameras," said Roy Cooley, general manager of the Maverick County Water Control District in Eagle Pass. "But that's just my opinion."

Despite the red-hot anger a proposed wall is generating in Texas, border fence bashing runs counter to the prevailing political winds in Congress and the American electorate.

With polls showing immigration a top concern for voters last year, U.S. lawmakers approved the Secure Fence Act overwhelmingly and President Bush signed it into law a few days before the November elections. Though spearheaded by the GOP, 64 Democrats in the House and 26 in the U.S. Senate -- including Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois -- voted for it.

Months later, critics say, only about a dozen miles of new fencing have gone up, none of it in Texas, which is home to roughly two-thirds of the 1,952 mile U.S.-Mexico border. Political activists opposed to lenient treatment for illegal immigrants are using the slowpoke progress in funny but biting TV ads, entitled "Where's the Fence?"

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., who led efforts in the 1990s to build imposing double-walled barriers near San Diego, has made the sweeping project a cornerstone of his 2008 presidential campaign.

"Border enforcement is now a national security issue," says Hunter, who has repeatedly accused the Bush administration of dragging its feet. "It's time to build the border fence."

Officially, the ambitious project would cost between $2.1 billion and $8 billion. But building in remote areas, not to mention legal fights with landowners who don't want to sell, could send the price tag soaring.

The commitment

In the short term, the Department of Homeland Security has publicly committed to building 370 miles of fencing along the border before the end of 2008, with 153 miles of it planned for Texas. Hunter says that schedule falls way short of the Secure Fence Act, which he co-authored last year. Eight months after it was signed into law, only 12 miles of new fencing have gone up -- near Yuma, Ariz. -- according to Hunter's office. U.S. Customs and Border Protection would neither confirm nor deny the 12-mile figure.

The Secure Fence Act actually calls for 854 miles of fencing, which, because of the winding terrain, is longer than the linear 700 miles it would cover -- all of which Hunter promises to build within six months if elected president.

In Texas, the double-reinforced fencing, new roads and technological upgrades would stretch for 10 miles east of El Paso, and cover 64 miles from the northern outskirts of Del Rio to the southern edge of Eagle Pass -- including the 35-mile stretch of the Moody ranch on the river. The longest piece would stretch 305 miles along the meandering Rio Grande from Laredo to the Gulf of Mexico.

Critics call the plan unrealistic.

"I don't think they're going to do that," said. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Laredo, who sits on the House Homeland Security Committee. "Somebody up here in Congress got a crayon and they said, 'OK, from Laredo draw all the way down to Brownsville.'"

Still, opponents were caught off guard this spring, when the Homeland Security Department started contacting landowners about fence rights of way along some of their riverfront property. Soon fence location maps and memos leaked out of Washington. Then two wall construction contracts worth up to $750 million were put out to bid.

The federal actions angered political leaders along the Texas-Mexico border. A "wall of shame," they called it. Another Berlin Wall. Cuellar, whose district would get over half of the first 153 miles of Texas fencing by 2008, said the negative reaction caused Homeland Security officials to "change their tune."

"They're now saying they're going to get input from the community before they do anything else," Cuellar said.

Over White House objections and veto threats, Cuellar amended a Homeland Security funding bill -- still working its way through Congress -- that if passed would allow authorities to use natural and technological barriers where fencing is impractical. It also requires them to get input from locals before building anything.

In the meantime, Michael Friel, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Washington, said the agency is "well into" meeting its goal of completing 70 miles of fencing by October, when fiscal 2007 ends. He said the barriers were going up first in New Mexico, Arizona and California, where much of the land already belongs to the federal government.

"The 70 miles of fence that we are working toward building this fiscal year are not in Texas," Friel said. "We realize that in Texas there are folks that own property, that have land on the border. That dynamic is different."

The question mark

What nobody can say with any certainty is whether fences will actually help secure the border.

Oscar Saldana, spokesman for the Border Patrol's 316-mile Rio Grande Valley Sector, said physical barriers help give law enforcement "the upper hand that will allow us to maybe funnel entries into an area that we can control."

"Any type of infrastructure that will allow us to gain more time and engage in incursions, obviously we welcome it," Saldana said.

Asked whether fencing off the border in the Valley might simply push the smuggling trade to other areas, Saldana said that would be a success story as far as he's concerned.

"We're responsible for our area," he said. "If they end up going somewhere else I would say our job has been done in our area."

Only about 88 miles, or less than 5 percent, of the U.S.-Mexico border is fenced off, figures show; there's another 80 miles of vehicle barriers designed to stop smugglers from driving their cargo into the U.S. from Mexico.

If there's a gold standard for border fencing, it's the one outside San Diego. Once the premier smuggling corridor in the nation, the San Diego Sector got nine miles of double fencing, new high-tech surveillance and more boots on the ground after Operation Gatekeeper was unveiled in 1994. Critics called it a sham at the time, but today no one disputes that it has had a major impact on smuggling.

In 1995, the Border Patrol caught 524,231 illegal immigrants trying to cross its San Diego Sector, representing more than 40 percent of the total apprehensions that year. A decade later, the sector caught 126,913, figures show.

For fence proponents, Operation Gatekeeper is proof that fences work. For critics, it's proof they don't.

After the successful crackdown in Southern California, apprehensions soared to the east, in the Arizona desert, where illegal immigrants found they were less likely to be captured even if natural dangers, from heat stroke or snake venom, multiplied. Nationwide, apprehensions have remained relatively steady over the past decade even as the Border Patrol budget has more than tripled.

In 1995, 1.27 million illegal immigrants were apprehended along the southwestern border. Ten years later, in fiscal 2005, 1.17 million were caught.

The Border Patrol doesn't compile figures on the ones who make it through, but the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington estimates that the net population of undocumented people has been growing by about half a million people a year since 1990. About 12 million are here now.

The steady flow

Every year thousands more cross the southwestern border, through fields and farms, across city parks and Indian reservations, over golf courses, irrigation canals, wildlife preserves and coastal beaches.

Some of them cross into the United States from the tiny Mexican village of Madero del Rio, just south of Ciudad Acuna, Mexico, and Del Rio, where Mexican farmer Samuel Gomez raises watermelons and cattle. Unlike his U.S. counterparts or his country's government, Gomez, 76, would like nothing more than to see a fence erected across the Rio Grande. He ticked off a litany of problems associated with the rampant smuggling industry -- destroyed produce, dead bodies in the river, abandoned cars in the fields, strangers everywhere.

"People come through at night and we have no idea where they're from. With this thing, this wall, that's protection for all of us," Gomez said. "I'm very much in agreement with this project."

Farther south along the border, near McAllen, farmer Chet Miller can tell he's got company when the dogs start barking, usually after dark. He watches the illegals through night-vision binoculars.

Miller used to shoot at them with a shotgun loaded with birdshot, particularly the ones he says he caught stealing produce. It was something he learned from his father, the late C.L. Miller, who in 1975 shot and injured 10 workers called to strike by followers of union leader Cesar Chavez. The elder Miller was never charged.

A decade later his son turned a shotgun on two illegal immigrants who were allegedly stealing melons. One of them drowned in the river while trying to flee.

Miller eventually pleaded guilty to assault and was sentenced to seven years' probation.

That was more than 20 years ago. Miller, now 44, says he doesn't do labor-intensive agriculture anymore and has given up trying to stop illegals from using his farm as a way into the U.S. He said the U.S. might as well give Mexicans a legal way to get here, instead of collectively looking the other way.

A fence? Miller calls it a "joke," just like the rare use of fines and sanctions that Congress, years ago, promised to impose on employers who hire illegal immigrants.

"If a person can cross the whole country of Mexico and then the river, a measly double fence, even a triple fence, ain't going to stop them," he said. "There ain't no stopping the people."

Miller would get no argument from Oscar Danelo, 22, a dirt poor laborer from Santa Rita, Honduras. Two days after Miller spoke, Danelo stripped down to his shorts and got into the Rio Grande in Matamoros, across from Brownsville, determined to find a job somewhere in the U.S.

A huge Border Patrol camera tower stood on the horizon, but there was no wall. Even if there had been one, Danelo, making his first attempt to sneak into the U.S., said he'd still try to cross.

"I think for a mojado (or wet illegal immigrant), it won't stop him," Danelo said minutes before swimming off to an uncertain future. "There's always a way in."

Border fence fact sheet

The start of the wall: In the 1990s, as illegal crossings skyrocketed, the United States expanded the use of fencing along the U.S-Mexico border near San Diego and in El Paso. Traffic dropped significantly in those areas but soon surged elsewhere.

Less than 5% built: There are now approximately 88 miles of primary fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, representing 4.5 percent of the 1,952-mile boundary. Authorities have installed another 80 miles of vehicle barriers that stop automobiles but not humans.

700 miles planned: In late 2006 President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act, which calls for about 700 linear miles of fencing between the Pacific Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico. Authorities plan to build 70 miles of it this year and 370 before the end of 2008, including 153 in Texas.

Cost estimates vary: Officially, the 700-mile barrier would cost about $3 million a mile, or $2.1 billion. But independent estimates show the cost of building and maintaining the fence could go as high as $49 billion over 25 years. Congress provided $1.2 billion for border infrastructure upgrades in 2007.

The virtual wall: Besides physical barriers, a "virtual fence" -- cameras, sensors, surveillance and the like -- is slated for certain areas. But technical glitches have plagued the installation of 28 miles of virtual barriers in Arizona as part of the three-year, $67 million contract with Boeing Corp.

Curbing the flow: In 2005, 1.17 million illegal immigrants were caught trying to cross into the U.S. from Mexico, about the same as a decade earlier. In fiscal 2006, the Border Patrol reported an 8.5 percent drop in apprehensions, to 1.07 million.

Sources: U.S. Customs and Border Protection; U.S. Department of Homeland Security; Congressional Research Service; Pew Hispanic Center

Photographs by Tom Pennington, Star-Telegram
Jay Root reports from the Star-Telegram's Austin bureau, 512-476-4294

TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: buildthewall; call2022243121today; duncanhunter; fence; fredthompson; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; texas; wheresthefence
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To: Dysart
For the last five years the government has been estimating the number of illegals at 12 million. The number has not grown at all, therefore ther are no more coming in, problem solved./sarcasm
41 posted on 07/08/2007 8:16:04 AM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Dysart
Another Berlin Wall.

There's that dumb ass statement again.

42 posted on 07/08/2007 8:18:22 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: vetsvette

Excellent post, vetsvette.

43 posted on 07/08/2007 8:19:02 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: wastedyears

Good fences make good neighbors.

Tried and true.

44 posted on 07/08/2007 8:21:58 AM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: Dysart

I don’t like to pay income tax, but I do it because it’s the law.

45 posted on 07/08/2007 8:23:11 AM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: n230099
A "DMZ" and a fully militarized border will work. After all, this is war.

I tend to agree with you. We are being invaded and all members of the military are sworn to protect our country. (As is the President & Congress)

46 posted on 07/08/2007 8:25:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Dysart
After reading some of the posts, I don't know what to say. I am amazed that freepers won't use reason. A fence/wall will work IN SOME PLACES, but not on a river.

Do you want to cede part of Texas to Mexico? You can not builld a fence IN a river. If it is built on this side of a river, how far inland must it go to get beyond the flood stage? Who pays for the land that must be lost? The rancher who asked about watering his cattle in the river has a good point. That may be the only water close by.

But, hey, let's build a fence. Private property is not important. If they own land, they must have gotten it illegally, by using illegals, so just take it over.

47 posted on 07/08/2007 8:28:05 AM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: Brilliant

Bush hasn’t been the only president since 1986, amigo. NONE of them have enforced it.

48 posted on 07/08/2007 8:34:42 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: mathluv

You are so correct. They need to try a different type of “fence”.

Put barbed wire in the middle of the river along with sensors, then monitor it 24/7.

See, that wasn’t hard.

49 posted on 07/08/2007 8:36:39 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: mathluv
The rancher who asked about watering his cattle in the river has a good point. That may be the only water close by.

Like the reporter sooner or later someone talks out of their butt.

For the past ten years are so the united states government has had a cost sharing program where they pay farmers to fence cattle away from running water and put in pumping and a watering system. They pay 95% of the total cost (some get 100%) in some cases, and they pay 75 dollars an acre per year for the amount of land lost if it is planted in trees and not used. So there is no water concerns it is just BS for those who don't know.

50 posted on 07/08/2007 8:52:53 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: BJungNan

During the Cuban Missile Crisis the 49th Armored Division (Texas National Guard) was mobilized into Fort Polk, La. One of the Galveston’s Moody clan was called up as a bitter ER (Army Enlisted Reserve) to help fill our ranks. I was on the staff of the company of which he was assigned. He was really a snob! Within a week of his sign in we received a telegram from Vice President Lindon Johnson directing us to have the Moody child at the Fort Polk air field at a specific time to be picked up by a plane that would ferry him to Houston. It was the last we saw of him. Needless to say, all the other Er’s had to stay until we were demobilized.

51 posted on 07/08/2007 8:57:52 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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To: cinives
There are a hat full of means and ways to get 'r done.
btw, Love your idea.
as long as our side doesn't have to rescue one of these people attempting to cross, it would be suicide to attempt a rescue.
In a time of War, America should play to Win.
I grow tired of the PC, America should play to Win.
Do we remember how?
For this is the only question confronting US.
Do we (America) have the will to win?
52 posted on 07/08/2007 9:02:36 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes.)
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To: sam_paine
To answer your question, nothing.

I haven’t been across our southern border in a couple of years but the last time I did I walked over and back. A trip to Laredo always meant a trip to El Mercado in Nuevo Laredo. There were a few gringos walking across but coming back to the US there was a huge crowd. I showed my drivers license and walked through, I don’t know what the Mexicans were showing but they walked through too. Maybe they were shopping on our side and walked back to NL, maybe not.

53 posted on 07/08/2007 9:10:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Dysart

54 posted on 07/08/2007 9:15:15 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: pissant

D-Fence PING!

55 posted on 07/08/2007 9:17:10 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: RasterMaster

Fact Sheet: The Secure Fence Act of 2006

White House News

President Bush Signs Secure Fence Act
In Focus: Homeland Security

“This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform.”

- President George W. Bush, 10/26/06

Today, President Bush Signed The Secure Fence Act - An Important Step Forward In Our Nation’s Efforts To Control Our Borders And Reform Our Immigration System. Earlier this year, the President laid out a strategy for comprehensive immigration reform. The Secure Fence Act is one part of this reform, and the President will work with Congress to finish the job and pass the remaining elements of this strategy.

The Secure Fence Act Builds On Progress Securing The Border

By Making Wise Use Of Physical Barriers And Deploying 21st Century Technology, We Can Help Our Border Patrol Agents Do Their Job And Make Our Border More Secure. The Secure Fence Act:

Authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our Southern border;
Authorizes more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting to help prevent people from entering our country illegally;
Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to increase the use of advanced technology like cameras, satellites, and unmanned aerial vehicles to reinforce our infrastructure at the border.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Begins With Securing The Border. Since President Bush took office, we have:

More than doubled funding for border security - from $4.6 billion in 2001 to $10.4 billion this year;
Increased the number of Border Patrol agents from about 9,000 to more than 12,000 - and by the end of 2008, we will have doubled the number of Border Patrol agents since the President took office;
Deployed thousands of National Guard members to assist the Border Patrol;
Upgraded technology at our borders and added infrastructure, including new fencing and vehicle barriers;
Apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering America illegally; and
We are adding thousands of new beds in our detention facilities, so we can continue working to end “catch and release” at our Southern border.


56 posted on 07/08/2007 9:38:01 AM PDT by Buzzm1
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To: Buzzm1


57 posted on 07/08/2007 9:41:43 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: Ditter
A wall is only going to work if there are machine guns on top of it and the will to use them. IMHO.

Nascar only runs so many days a week for entertainment.

I think refreshments, paint balls, rock salt , etc. given to bored kids or other interested volunteers would work.

If the volunteers were shot at with live ammo, let them defend themselves.

An effective and entertaining method both to those working the fence and those who would like to watch.

This is of course with appropriate protection to protect them while passing time among friends.

The cost of maintaining the fence/border would be minimal.

58 posted on 07/08/2007 10:05:50 AM PDT by wanderin
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To: Dysart
"Debate over massive fence plan is heating up in South Texas"

Yea right.

Did anyone notice that there is only one keyword relating to immigration popping up on the front page today? Last week we had four or more....what happened?

59 posted on 07/08/2007 10:07:49 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: sam_paine
"What stops a simple Mexican from getting a ‘passport’ in Mexico, a tourist visa from Houston, and walking across the border legally, only to overstay his visa on a construction job in Maryland?"

Although the question and answer are both off topic:

A fence is only the first step, it is the single step that most of us believe would indicate some degree of seriousness on the part of our government. It has as much symbolic value as real value and it will continue to be opposed by the powers that be. (and the ranchers quoted in this article certainly seem to be part of the 'powers' and not part of the masses who have to pay the price for being invaded.)

Second, third, and fourth steps, which should already be in effect but have been shamefully under utilized, are employer sanctions, follow up and enforcement of visa limits, and repatriation of criminal aliens.

Still needed are stiff penalties on both the illegals and their home countries that would reduce the benefits of sending agents into our territory. That starts with denial of the free medical and welfare access provided today: at the end of each fiscal year, the culpable foreign government(s) should receive a nice note telling them that the cost of their citizen's humanitarian treatment in the US is being deducted from any aid, trade, or disaster funds they'd have received if they'd honored our sovereignty in the first place.
(If they come from a rare state that we don't send money to - assuming there is one - take it from the UN in the name of that state.)
Absolutely NO alien should be allowed to legally transfer money 'home' unless the US receives punative taxes, applies and enforces a hard ceiling on the amounts that can be shifted, and severe oversight (with detailed records) of the banking institutions involved.
Further needed is a return to the US policy of not recognizing dual citizenship - if mexico wants to grant citizenship and voting rights to 'mexican-Aericans' US citizenship should be denied any takers.
The Fourteenth Amendment must be reinterpreted back to its intended purpose and 'family reunification' dropped from the vernacular unless the legal resident can prove the ability to support more than a spouse and offspring born in the US. Anchor babies should retroactively lose any claim to US citizenship.

What we don't need to do is to marginalize any of the ethnically mexican Americans whose families have been in the US since before many of our European ancestors, immigrants who made the transition legally, or (sadly) those given amnesty in the last go-round.

Finally, although mexico is the prime offender and the most apparent enemy in this matter, clearly calling for the lion's share of effort by the US government - illegal immigration must address OTM criminals, whether terrorists or prospective nannies, as well.

60 posted on 07/08/2007 10:13:26 AM PDT by norton (hope I didn't leave anything out)
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