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LA Times Writer: Joining Military Not 'A Well-Informed Choice,' But A 'Product of Manipulation'
NewsBusters.org ^ | 15 July 2007 | Dave Pierre

Posted on 07/15/2007 3:36:47 PM PDT by infoguy

The 21-year-old nephew of Los Angeles Times columnist Steve Lopez has enlisted in the Marines, and Lopez isn't happy about it. "Don't become a pawn, I told my nephew," Lopez writes. His column is, "When the reality of Iraq hits home" (Sun., 7/15/07).

Says Lopez:

Some have argued that without a draft, enlisting in this war is a matter of choice, so what happens, happens.

But that's not necessarily true in the case of National Guard troops who have been called up. And as for soldiers as young as my nephew, I don't see enlistment as a well-informed choice but as a product of manipulation.

Not a "well-informed choice"? A "product of manipulation"? At 21 years old? Am I the only one who think this sounds a tad condescending?

So, why did Lopez's nephew join the Marines? Lopez tells us that he has written from boot camp.

"What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage…. I wish to be bigger than myself, to be a part of something more — something important and significant…. I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me."

Lopez has a justified worry that his nephew will be deployed to Iraq. Nearly everyone can sympathize with that anxiety. But Lopez claims that President Bush "misled us from the beginning" and "will keep sacrificing lives in a vain and futile attempt to save face." Bush's campaign has been one of "deceit and simplification," says Steve.

"Misled us"? "Deceit"? Ugh. It seems Lopez has bought into the "Bush lied" canard. Being from Los Angeles, Lopez should be well aware of KABC radio host Larry Elder. Lopez needs to take Elder's "'Bush lied, People Died' Challenge." (Scroll down to the lower left of the home page.) It could be that the nephew knows more about the Iraq war than Lopez does.

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(P.S. - After reading Lopez's column, I thought of this ... Back in 2005, Californians debated Proposition 73, an initiative that would require minor girls to acquire parental notification before getting an abortion. In an October 2005 column (I found it reprinted here), Lopez talked with a group of high school-aged girls, most of whom were against the initiative. One girl even insisted it was "nobody's business" (Lopez's words) if a 13 or 14 year old had an abortion by herself. Despite misinformation and relativism ruling the discussion, Lopez beamed at the end of the column that he had "much respect" for the girls. Lopez wrote that he hoped his own daughter "will be able to handle herself as responsibly as these girls have." It sounds like these teens have earned more respect from him than his own adult nephew.)


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bias; iraq; latimes; liberalmedia; losangelestimes; mediabias; msm
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To: infoguy

IMO, this sort of thing has to be pushed by the MSM (of which the LAT is a sad example), since one iron-clad criticism of Cindy Shee Han is that her son enlisted voluntarily. Not once, but twice — both times deployed to Iraq. She maintains he was murdered by his country, but thinking people know; hey, lady. He didn’t see it as the wasteful endeavor you keep saying it is. Obviously!


51 posted on 07/15/2007 4:40:26 PM PDT by lainie
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To: RepublitarianRoger

LOL - very clever!


52 posted on 07/15/2007 4:40:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("A dependence on mass immigration is always a structural weakness and should be understood as such.")
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To: infoguy

If you are a liberal, your only framework, model, or reference for the military is Vietnam, as the liberals perceived it.

The fact that this condemns them to be a loser in perpetuity is lost upon them.

How sad it must be to go through life never knowing the value of something greater than self, or victory.


53 posted on 07/15/2007 4:44:39 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (The facts of life are conservative -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Congressman Billybob

L.A. Times is in the cr*pper.

Old recycled whiny arguments from LA Times ..The Bush daughters should enlist.” Duh! It’s an all volunteer military.

Lopez is digging for dirt if he has to leave L.A. to find a news story in Hemet. Wonder if he owns a hybrid car?/sarc


54 posted on 07/15/2007 5:00:26 PM PDT by Goldie Lurks (professional moonbat catcher)
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To: infoguy

bump


55 posted on 07/15/2007 5:10:32 PM PDT by lowbridge (If Youíre Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

Joining the military DOES make this kid better than the L.A. Times!


56 posted on 07/15/2007 5:40:44 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: infoguy

69% of Americans have confidence in the military.

22% of Americans have confidence in newspapers, and I expect the LAT is probably lower.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=27946


57 posted on 07/15/2007 5:53:09 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

My My!


58 posted on 07/15/2007 5:56:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: infoguy
A direct quote from a memo sent out two days ago by the LAT publisher to his troops:

"Revenue was down 10% in the second quarter, and cash flow down a whopping 27%, making it one of the worst quarters ever experienced."

As far as I'm concerned, I hope their columnists become even more stridently left-wing. The more they do, the faster this paper will literally cease to exist.

59 posted on 07/15/2007 6:03:27 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (My voting record: Rudy '89, Rudy '93, Rudy '97, Rudy '08. (Why not piss off BOTH sides?))
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To: infoguy
It sounds like these teens have earned more respect from [Lopez] than his own adult nephew.

You don't understand.

Lopez is a liberal. And, to a liberal, having an abortion is the ultimate joyous expression of faith in the liberal ideal.

Joining the military, on the other hand, is seen as a descent into hell which, of course, is populated exclusively by conservatives.

What perverse people these liberals are...

60 posted on 07/15/2007 6:04:53 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: elcid1970
So, why did Lopez's nephew join the Marines? Lopez tells us that he has written from boot camp. "What I want for my life is to stand above the majority," [the nephew] wrote. "I believe in honor, discipline and courage…. I wish to be bigger than myself, to be a part of something more — something important and significant…. I hope that you will understand my reasons for this decision and will continue to support me."

As a parent, I would be scared poopless if one of my sons enlisted. But only as an adult worried for my kin. Now if my kid wrote me that letter, my God, what a man. You have to support that sentiment to the fullest, IMHO.

61 posted on 07/15/2007 6:16:48 PM PDT by Thebaddog (My dogs are tired)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Did I miss anything?

No, John, you didn't miss a thing. More succintly put than I could have done myself...

the infowarrior

62 posted on 07/15/2007 6:21:39 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: cripplecreek
Now that I’m 42 I wish I had joined the military when I was 18 and I’m far wiser than I was when I was 18.

Hmmm.

Why didn't you join at 35 or when you became wiser?

63 posted on 07/15/2007 6:26:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dearolddad
IMHO The best way to brain wash a liberal is to give him/her an enema.

*BEST* way? Nope it's the *ONLY* way...

the infowarrior

64 posted on 07/15/2007 6:26:27 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: doorgunner69

Without a doubt we were on the grinder at the same time. Semper Fi


65 posted on 07/15/2007 6:32:47 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: Dont Mention the War
Yes, and I bet they never consider why revenue is down.

Could it be the positions of people like Lopez?

66 posted on 07/15/2007 6:40:57 PM PDT by infoguy (www.frankenlies.com ... www.themediareport.com ...)
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To: All; cripplecreek

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MEL’s -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~aloharonnie/

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~anita1/

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67 posted on 07/15/2007 6:59:23 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: vetsvette

“and, i pray to God that america’s enemy within is rooted out and destroyed...”

fat chance with just about half of the population voting them into office. (just wait until heil hillary! wins the presidency. anyone disagreeing with her and her ilk will be considered the enemy within.)


68 posted on 07/15/2007 7:08:43 PM PDT by ripley
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To: cripplecreek

Ditto here.


69 posted on 07/15/2007 7:14:21 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: All; infoguy

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Many come out to show war support across land

http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030324antiwar0324p7.asp

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70 posted on 07/15/2007 7:19:36 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: stumpy
BOO!!...;0) Image and video hosting by TinyPic
71 posted on 07/15/2007 7:40:54 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

Sounds like the “kid” hit a nerve.


72 posted on 07/15/2007 7:50:47 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: cripplecreek
A high school classmate of mine, supposedly with less "smarts," retired from the Marines as a colonel after 30 years not too long ago. He's healthy, trim, has a solid retirement check, and is ready to enjoy life, and does. He sends pictures of his exploits every couple of months.

It's a good thing I'm not inclined toward envy.

HF

73 posted on 07/15/2007 8:14:51 PM PDT by holden
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To: infoguy

What a fool. I spent 29 years in the Army, and never once thought I was being duped. I, for one, am proud of my service!


74 posted on 07/15/2007 8:59:08 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: infoguy
Lopez hasn’t a clue, but his nephew does. Thank God for the younger generation.

WRM, MSgt, USAF (Ret.)

I sure don’t regret my decision to enlist, nor to re-up repeatedly. I do regret getting too old to stay in, but I only knew one way to avoid it, and that didn’t happen...

75 posted on 07/15/2007 9:49:39 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Congressman Billybob
“Did I miss anything?”

I think you misspelled the four-letter word for fecal matter, but otherwise, not a thing. ;)

76 posted on 07/15/2007 9:51:57 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: infoguy

You ought to post this guy’s email address. This is a slap in the face to those wearing a uniform and this guy ought to hear about it.


77 posted on 07/15/2007 9:53:19 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: Old Student; All

steve.lopez@latimes.com

I see let this guy hear about it.


78 posted on 07/15/2007 9:54:47 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: ikez78
Just sent him this...

Mr. Lopez,

Sorry to tell you your nephew did not get manipulated into enlisting. He saw that something needed to be done to protect his family from people who would maim or kill them because they were different, with different beliefs and ways of doing things than theirs. He is a fine young man with a sense of his own worth, and the desire to accept challenges to determine just exactly how far he can go. You have the right to write the drivel you produce because of people like him. Enjoy it, take it seriously, and thank him and his brothers at arms. If they fail, you will lose that right, and probably your head. With the encouragement you’re giving them, you might just want to be concerned about that.

Question for you: Why do you think your nephew was manipulated at his age, but think thirteen and fourteen-year old girls are well-informed enough to choose to have abortions without parental consent? Do you not see how incongruous that is?

79 posted on 07/15/2007 10:11:39 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Old Student

Excellent.


80 posted on 07/15/2007 10:30:59 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: ikez78
I could have said much more, but short and to the point seems to make more sense. I am proud of the young people our nation is producing, despite the past 40 years or so of attempted brain-washing. War is bad, but there are things that are worse.

Two thirds of my children are girls, and I will not see them forced to wear chadors or burkas. I passed up on a $70K a year, tax-exempt, overseas job when I retired to avoid just exactly that. It won’t happen here while I’m still breathing, either.

81 posted on 07/15/2007 10:39:50 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: LiteKeeper
What a fool. I spent 29 years in the Army, and never once thought I was being duped. I, for one, am proud of my service!

Thanks for your service, LK! Whatever I've accomplished in civilian life pales in comparison to my 8 years on active duty.

82 posted on 07/15/2007 10:46:46 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
This sounds silly, but when I read the article I assumed it was written by a woman. I did’t notice the author’s name.
It’s bad enough coming from a lib woman, but a MAN writing this way about a member of his family makes me ill.
Talk about the pussification of this country. Reminds me of the idiot holding up the “Husbands for Hillary” sign at the campaign rally for Her Thighness. Jeez...
83 posted on 07/15/2007 11:04:42 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people.)
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To: dragnet2
Why didn't you join at 35 or when you became wiser?

It was too late for wiser. An accident had left me with limited mobility in my knees. It's another thing that probably wouldn't have happened if I had joined the military.
84 posted on 07/16/2007 6:31:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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