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In-State Tuition For Illegal Immigrants Under Debate ( DREAM Act )
Ed Fed ^ | Teresa Cendreda

Posted on 07/16/2007 8:26:09 AM PDT by george76

Congress is grappling with a hot button issue - immigration legislation that would make a college education tens of thousands of dollars cheaper for illegal students than U.S. citizens.

The controversy stems from the senate bill S.B. 2611, the so-called "DREAM Act," which would allow states to offer in-state tuition to illegal immigrants. Currently, that practice is banned under the federal Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. It prohibits public colleges from favoring undocumented students by offering them in-state tuition rates, unless those same rates are extended to all U.S. citizens regardless of their state of residency.

At a congressional hearing on Sept. 1 at the University of Northern Colorado, the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce heard heated testimony both for and against the DREAM Act. At the center of the debate, whether there's discrimination if states offer a cheaper public college education to illegal immigrants.

"Not only does this grant preferential treatment to those in the country illegally, it also disrespects those who enter or are attempting to enter through legal processes," said State Rep. Cory Gardner (R-Yuma) at the hearing.

Currently, nine states have similar laws that allow illegal immigrants to attend public college at in-state tuition costs. The qualification process is based on their high school attendance, not their citizenship. Some out-of-state American students are suing in federal and state court, claiming the privilege is just another handout that short-changes American citizens.

(Excerpt) Read more at edfed.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: Illinois; US: Kansas; US: New Mexico; US: New York; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; congress; dickdurbin; dream; dreamact; durbin; illegalalien; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; senator; senatordurbin; stealthamnesty
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1 posted on 07/16/2007 8:26:11 AM PDT by george76
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To: kcvl

The federal Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 prohibits public colleges from favoring undocumented students by offering them in-state tuition rates and not extending that offer to U.S. citizens.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186876,00.html


2 posted on 07/16/2007 8:28:49 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

It should be renamed the NIGHTMARE Act. Never Intend Giving Help To Make Americans Really Equal.


3 posted on 07/16/2007 8:29:56 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: george76

Affirmative Action for lawbreakers.


4 posted on 07/16/2007 8:31:55 AM PDT by AU72 (`)
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To: WashingtonSource; HiJinx; blackie

It will be another Nightmare Act.


5 posted on 07/16/2007 8:33:50 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: AU72

Should we start calling burglars “undocumented guests?”


6 posted on 07/16/2007 8:34:38 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Now what were they telling us about the amnesty act “ Oh we’ll get tough with people here illegally, yea! right!!” (sarc) We need to find out who introduced this piece of legislation and go after him.


7 posted on 07/16/2007 8:42:58 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: george76

8 posted on 07/16/2007 8:47:10 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: george76
“Should we start calling burglars “undocumented guests?””

Drug dealers are “unlicensed pharmaceutical salespeople”.

9 posted on 07/16/2007 8:48:34 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: hophead

If we get stopped for speeding : We should say that we are an undocumented cop driving an undocumented emergency vehicle going to an undocumented emergency...


10 posted on 07/16/2007 8:51:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ontap

That would be Durbin.

S.774

Title: A bill to amend the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to permit States to determine State residency for higher education purposes and to authorize the cancellation of removal and adjustment of status of certain alien students who are long-term United States residents and who entered the United States as children, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] (introduced 3/6/2007) Cosponsors (19)
Related Bills: H.R.1221, H.R.1275
Latest Major Action: 3/6/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.SUMMARY AS OF:
3/6/2007—Introduced.

Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2007 or the DREAM Act of 2007 - Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to repeal the denial of an unlawful alien’s eligibility for higher education benefits based on state residence unless a U.S. national is similarly eligible without regard to such state residence.

Authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to cancel the removal of, and adjust to conditional permanent resident status, an alien who: (1) entered the United States before his or her sixteenth birthday, and has been present in the United States for at least five years immediately preceding enactment of this Act; (2) is a person of good moral character; (3) is not inadmissible or deportable under specified grounds of the Immigration and Nationality Act; (4) at the time of application, has been admitted to an institution of higher education, or has earned a high school or equivalent diploma; and (5) from the age of 16 and older, has never been under a final order of exclusion, deportation, or removal.

Sets forth the conditions for conditional permanent resident status, including: (1) termination of status for violation of this Act; and (2) removal of conditional status to permanent status.

Authorizes an alien who has satisfied the appropriate requirements prior to enactment of this Act to petition the Secretary for conditional permanent resident status.

Provides for: (1) exclusive jurisdiction; (2) penalties for false application statements; (3) confidentiality; (4) fee prohibitions; (5) higher education assistance; and (6) a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report respecting the number of aliens adjusted under this Act.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00774:@@@D&summ2=m&;


11 posted on 07/16/2007 8:52:05 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: traditional1

California , New Mexico, Washington, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Illinois and New York all support in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

http://www.conservativethinking.com/archives/2005/12/college-students-sue-california-for-giving-instate-tuition-to-illegal-aliens.php


12 posted on 07/16/2007 8:52:06 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: eeevil conservative; Gvl_M3; txroadkill; i_dont_chat; Southside_Chicago_Republican; JoanneSD; ...
Are you making your calls, and sending your emails and faxes?

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13 posted on 07/16/2007 8:54:00 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: Politicalmom

Thanks


14 posted on 07/16/2007 8:54:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Politicalmom
That would be Durbin.

Yeah, my commie Senator. He's why I treat Illinois Democrats with very little respect (well, he and Blago).

15 posted on 07/16/2007 9:02:25 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Politicalmom

Durbin-I might have guessed. We live just over the river from Illinois. My wife tried to get into SIU-Edwardsville, but the out of state tuition made it impossible. Now Im reading that illegals get break on tuition that we arent eligible for. Man, that p*sses me off!


16 posted on 07/16/2007 9:04:54 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: george76

I always ask what the illegals are going to do with their new college degrees. It’s still illegal to hire them, and companies using college grads are more likely to follow the law than those hiring illegals to pick fruit.


17 posted on 07/16/2007 9:09:32 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: bcsco

I live near Chicago. In 2003, the Illinois legislature voted to allow illegal aliens to attend state universities and pay in-state tuition. Only one state senator voted against that bill. That was Chris Lauzen, a Republican from Aurora.


18 posted on 07/16/2007 9:12:52 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: george76
At a congressional hearing on Sept. 1 at the University of Northern Colorado

University of No. Colorado? Hmmm. Where do I remember that school?

Oh that is right. The home of the Fightin' Whities they tried to PC us on a few years ago. I love my Fightin Whities wifebeater though.

19 posted on 07/16/2007 9:14:26 AM PDT by doodad
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To: george76

Citizens should stop paying taxes


20 posted on 07/16/2007 9:16:39 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: george76

So they are breaking a federal law. Is this being litigated?


21 posted on 07/16/2007 9:18:28 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: george76

Here is the most recent article on the lawsuit I could find:

Out-of-state UC students keep pursuing lower fees

Group appeals decision to let undocumented immigrants pay in-state costs, citing unfairness

Jennifer Gottesfeld (Contact)

Published: Tuesday, October 24, 2006

A group of out-of-state students currently attending California public universities has appealed a court decision which allows undocumented immigrants living in California to pay in-state fees.

42 students and their parents sued the California public college and university systems last December, contending that California Assembly Bill 540, which allows students who attended high school in California for at least three years and received a graduation certificate in California to pay in-state tuition, violates federal law.

AB 540, in effect, allows undocumented students to attend California schools at in-state costs, which is the point of contention for the plaintiffs.

The students’ attorney, Michael Brady, argues that two federal laws passed in 1996 require that if undocumented immigrants are given in-state tuition, all out-of-state students must also be entitled to that tuition.

“The students are asking that they be given the benefit that Congress required since 2002,” Brady said. “That if UCLA gives in-state tuition to any illegal aliens it must give in-state tuition to all out-of-state students going there.”

Yolo County Superior Court Judge Thomas E. Warriner ruled in favor of the state’s college and university systems earlier this month.

The court concluded that AB 540 does not violate the federal law and instead operates within the federal framework, according to a University of California press release.

The specifics of the ruling have not yet been filed and the judge cannot comment until that time.

“This ruling allows the university to continue to provide access to a top-notch education to hundreds of deserving students,” said University Counsel Christopher Patti in the press release.

Brady did not see the Yolo County judge’s decision as final, as the decision will be appealed to an appellate court.

“The decision of the trial judge makes no difference,” he said. “The decision in the trial court only related to issues of law, not issues of fact.”

He added that he does not accept the trial judge’s ruling to be considered in the appellate judge’s ruling.

Kendra Fox-David of The Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights said they expected the judge to rule in their favor because AB 540 was carefully constructed to ensure that it did not violate federal immigration law.

Aaron Dallek, one of the plaintiffs and a UC Berkeley alumnus, is originally from Chicago, Ill. Dallek was required to pay out-of state tuition of over $20,000, in addition to room and board, while undocumented immigrants pay the California resident fee of about $7,000.

“American students are being treated four times worse by UCLA than illegal aliens,” said Brady. “It is one thing to treat an illegal alien equally, it’s another to treat a U.S. citizen four times worse.”

Dallek decided to join the lawsuit after finding out about it in an advertisement in the Berkeley newspaper.

“The reason I took part in this is not necessarily because I agree or disagree with the (national) law when it comes to illegal immigration,” he said. “I feel that there is a lack of accountability in our government today and I think it’s absolutely ridiculous what is allowed to go on in our government, and this is just a small example of it.”

But other out-of-state students said that they understand why they are paying out-of-state tuition while undocumented immigrants living in California get the opportunity to pay in-state tuition.

“I wish that I could pay the in-state tuition,” Daniel Meyer, a first-year political science student who is originally from Beverly, Mass., said. “But it’s understandable that illegal immigrants in California can pay in-state tuition because it’s not really about whether you live in America but whether or not you live in California.”

But some undocumented immigrants said that they are worried about what this legal challenge might mean for the undocumented immigrant student community.

“This is my last year, but I’m afraid for other students who could be affected by this lawsuit,” said Jose Perez, an undocumented immigrant from Mexico and a senior at UC Davis. “(AB 540) is what allows us to stay in school because we can’t receive any type of financial aid.

“I don’t understand why we should pay out-of-state tuition if we have been living in California our entire lives,” he added.


22 posted on 07/16/2007 9:24:50 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: george76

Illegals - just getting all the rights and perks our leaders don’t want us to have.


23 posted on 07/16/2007 9:29:55 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Presidente Jorge: "Y'all choose between Dhimmitude or Aztlantude!")
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To: george76

Here’s a nice break for illegal aliens in CO who want to go to college in NM for free

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1866603/posts?page=17


24 posted on 07/16/2007 9:31:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Some students need an incentive to even finish high school.

If that's the case, I sincerely doubt that they are college material.

"We can't afford to not let them live up their potential," said Josh Bernstein, federal policy director of the National Immigration Law Center.

You have it backward, Mr. Bernstein. It's up to them and their parents and to insure that they don't squander their own potential. It's not the job of the American taxpayer to take care of anyone who isn't supposed to be here in the first place.

25 posted on 07/16/2007 9:31:39 AM PDT by freespirited (What part of Kennedy do they not understand? -- Gov. Mike Huckabee)
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To: george76

Any idea on the status of the appeal? Amazing that the Cali courts said, basically, ignore this federal law. What if Wyoming took that approach to the Brady Bill?


26 posted on 07/16/2007 9:34:24 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: george76; All

The dream act is about making ANY attendee of the public schools an “anchor babby”.

Dream act is just as much a integral part of amnesty as any other effort.


27 posted on 07/16/2007 9:36:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: PhilCollins; All

Well, if I ever am in the position to get elected to the State House ;-) and this bill or anything like it comes before me, you can BET I will vote against it!

I knew there was a reason that I admire Lauzen... I wonder how those other “Republicans” would vote now??


28 posted on 07/16/2007 9:52:04 AM PDT by haplesswanderer (Ron Paul 2008 - End the Fed, Fire the IRS, NO NORTH AMERICAN UNION!)
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To: Jack Black

Thanks


29 posted on 07/16/2007 9:52:43 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Morgan in Denver

With their illegal degrees, can these illegals get professional jobs that might require state licensing and insurance ?


30 posted on 07/16/2007 9:54:58 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

that’s a sore issue with me.

i moved out-of-state, got the driver’s license, voted, car registration, but didn’t get in-state tuition.

meanwhile, i as a kid i hoed beets and beans with mexicans.

i’m a second class citizen in my own country.


31 posted on 07/16/2007 9:54:59 AM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: longtermmemmory; colorado tanker

The Dream act is as crazy as the anchor baby concept.


32 posted on 07/16/2007 9:56:27 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ken21; jan in Colorado; Congressman Billybob

These politicans care more for illegals than us citizens.


33 posted on 07/16/2007 9:58:50 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Tennessee Nana

At least these illegals are headed the right direction. Colorado to NM.

Now they should move a few hundred more miles south.


34 posted on 07/16/2007 10:01:18 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Congress is grappling with a hot button issue - immigration legislation that would make a college education tens of thousands of dollars cheaper for illegal students than U.S. citizens.

How about we force those in congress to pay for this out of their own pockets.

They can sell their generous government pensions and benefits for .50cents on the dollar to pay for this.

Better yet, lets just fire all these people for even considering this.

35 posted on 07/16/2007 10:02:43 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Jack Black

Sorry : I do not.

” Any idea on the status of the appeal? “


36 posted on 07/16/2007 10:05:51 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
My daughter, like many FReepers sons and daughters paid out of state tuition when she attended and graduated from a University out of our home state.

I say it's only fair that if the government is going to give away in state tuition rates to illegal aliens, I think all American students who have paid out of state tuition fees in the last 10 ~ 12 years should be refunded any amount they paid over the in state tuition fees.

37 posted on 07/16/2007 10:21:18 AM PDT by RJL
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To: Politicalmom
Cosponsors:

Sen Bayh, Evan [IN]
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM]
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA]
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA]
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY]
Sen Craig, Larry E. [ID]
Sen Crapo, Mike [ID]
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI]
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA]
Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE]
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA]
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA]
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT]
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT]
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN]
Sen McCain, John [AZ]
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ]
Sen Murray, Patty [WA]
Sen Obama, Barack [IL]
Sen Reid, Harry [NV]

38 posted on 07/16/2007 10:23:02 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: PhilCollins

This is really disgusting. I’m contemptuous of these a$$es who are supposed to be representative of the people, but are in it for themselves only. A pox on both houses.


39 posted on 07/16/2007 10:39:50 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: george76

If you want to block this bill, go to campaign appearances, ask the bill’s supporters about it, and publicize their responses. Here’s a question you can ask:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_l4Lawj14A


40 posted on 07/16/2007 10:58:01 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: george76

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

There are so many versions of this thing that I don’t know exactly what the bill says. I believe it allows schools to offer in-state tuition for illegals and gives some e illegals a path to a green card. There may be more that it does, for all I know.


41 posted on 07/16/2007 11:11:46 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: george76
If this passes every FReeper should get together and start a class action lawsuit and sue the government for violation of equal protection.

I’ve had enough of this shit.

42 posted on 07/16/2007 11:16:06 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: george76
This would mean US citizens would be subsidizing illegals to go to college. Unbelievable.
43 posted on 07/16/2007 11:34:49 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: HoosierHawk

McInsane keeps such wholesome company.


44 posted on 07/16/2007 12:03:37 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; All

McCain and Lugar = POS!!!!


45 posted on 07/16/2007 12:58:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: george76

it is a blatent attempt to make citizenship irrelevant to obtaining benefits funded by citizen taxpayers.

Essentially make citizenship have no priviledge.


46 posted on 07/16/2007 1:12:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Uncle Hal; BIGLOOK

47 posted on 07/16/2007 3:13:11 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
ITS WRONG! Americans want to study in another state would have to pay full fare. Why should people who don't have a legal right to be in this country get a discount on taxpayer financed public higher education? The DREAM Act in reality is the Destroy Education For Americans Act.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

48 posted on 07/16/2007 7:41:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Politicalmom

4 faxes to Reid, Ensign, Reed and Whitehouse


49 posted on 07/17/2007 6:23:13 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: PhilCollins

Ironically Lauzen is Mexican-American.


50 posted on 07/17/2007 7:26:59 AM PDT by Kuksool
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