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Bush: Americans will realize need for aliens
The Washington Times ^ | July 20, 2007 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 07/20/2007 6:17:46 PM PDT by Baladas

President Bush yesterday said Americans will soon realize they need the immigrants and foreign temporary workers that would have been allowed by his immigration bill, which was defeated in the Senate last month.

Mr. Bush, in a town hall session in Nashville, Tenn., also refused to say whether he will pardon two U.S. Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a fleeing drug-smuggling suspect, saying the prosecutor was a friend of his who made his case to the jury that convicted the agents.

If Mr. Bush was hoping the immigration issue would disappear after his bill's failure, those hopes were dashed, as he was asked repeatedly about border security during the forum — meant to highlight his commitment to cutting the deficit.

"The bill failed and I can't make a prediction to you at this point, sir, where it's going to head," the president told one questioner. "I can make you a prediction, though, that pretty shortly people are going to be knocking on people's doors saying, man, we're running out of workers."

Mr. Bush said there are workers who will do jobs Americans aren't doing in the agriculture sector in particular, and without them the jobs will go unfilled.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderfence; caca; crimaliens; digitdeeper; georgebush; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; tr; unemployment; useconomy
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To: cripplecreek

Then there are people like me. Now that my children are all grown, I would like to have a part-time job. Since I haven’t been employed outside of the home for years, I probably would be able to make $8 to $10 an hour, at best. However, I would be taxed at my husband’s rate, so between the extra costs involved in my working (clothes, commute, etc.) and the taxes I would pay on the piddling income, I might just about break even.


301 posted on 07/20/2007 9:47:26 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Irene Adler
Of course English is partially a Germanic language, just as it’s partially Latin, but when did we ever vote?

When I was in England a few years ago, an Englishman told me that his language, English, is actually a mix or composition of many other languages. Partly due to the fact that the island was invaded numerous times. When our country was founded the number 1 ethnicity was German while the number 2 ethnicity was Scottish. Number 3 was British. So the native ethnic languages of the American people at the time were primarily Germanic German, Germanic English and Celtic Scottish. The British were operating with the Germanic English language. Now I have read somewhere, will try to find it for you, that after our revolution there were discussions about what the national language should be. Many people were still fluent in Germanic German and some Celtic Scottish. From what I have read, again cannot remember where, our founders or representatives took a vote on what the official language would be. Or in other words, what language the Declaration of Independence should be written in. One would think that anything British or English at the time was not viewed very respectfully. So obviously a decision was made or perhaps voted on by our representatives to write all government proceedings in English. I have read about this somewhere. Cannot remember where right now. I will get back to you either way. Give me a day or two to search me neurons. Perhaps a pint of Newcastle might help :>

302 posted on 07/20/2007 9:48:43 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: ontap

The other version BOOOOOOM!Spacecraft blown over in a corn field across the street from where the gas station had been.One of the aliens struggles out of the upturned craft and says to the scorched alien “I could have told you that sumbitch was was bad with his —— wrapped around himself three times and stuck in his ear.


303 posted on 07/20/2007 9:52:25 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: txflake
It *is* about slave wages. Trust me, illegal mexicans are enslaved. They're worked like slaves.

Oh, I agree friend, many are making a very nice living off low wage illegal labor, on the backs of Americans.

But I do believe there are other motives in the mix here.

304 posted on 07/20/2007 9:53:39 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
We could ask many of them to enlist in the WOT.

I say any Mexican who will fight in our services deserves not only citizenship for him, but for 6 other family members.

What else did you have in mind.

306 posted on 07/20/2007 10:04:05 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Baladas

HAH! This from the guy who thinks Johnny Sutton is a GOOD guy...

Bush doesn’t get it. I, for one, am the child and grandchild of immigrants and I thank God for it. No one is going to have to convince ME that immigration is a GOOD thing.

Now here is the difference: My family did it LEGALLY- L-E-G-L..get it now GW? And they made sure they learned English, and they made sure they became AMERICANS. They ALSO knew that if they broke the law, they were out. No ACLU, no protest groups, no “sensitivity” about their culture and no whiny left wing.

Illegals add not ONE damn thing to our country. They work for wages below, sometimes FAR below, what these SOB business owners and farm owners would have to pay legitimate American workers. The illegals are exploited for MONEY and George wants us to condone THAT? Americans don’t want to do these jobs? Damn straight, not for what these illegals are being paid.

In the meantime, the American taxpayer pays through the nose for his kids’ education, healthcare and food stamps...and the illegal sends HIS money to Mexico.

Bite me, George.


307 posted on 07/20/2007 10:05:07 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: RavenATB
That was such a ridiculous comment, I just couldn't respond to it.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

308 posted on 07/20/2007 10:12:08 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: everyone

Shut up, Mr. President.


309 posted on 07/20/2007 10:15:15 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: bray

A contractor hires three or four Hispanics at regular wage; next day they each show up with a cousin who’ll work for less so the contractor makes one of his first hires a foreman and the others leaders.

The cousins now all bring in cousins who in turn will work for even less than the others.

The contractor snatches them up, calls all the english-speaking workers together and explains that “times are hard” and he has to let some go, anyone speak Spanish?

A couple of hands shoot up and he keeps them after telling them that he has to cut their pay by a buck or so an hour for a week, maybe two.

By the end of the second week since the first Hispanic was hired, no English is heard spoken on the jobsite and only the steady rap-tap-tap and the bang-bang-bang of the hammers and the power guns echoes off the walls where once the roar of Dodge Rams and F-150s belched to life when the sun begins to kiss the treeline.

And the contractor can be seen behind the shades of his 10X40 mobile, counting his greenbacks while the wetbacks sweat.


310 posted on 07/20/2007 10:16:58 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Baladas

I really hate this guy now.


311 posted on 07/20/2007 10:17:22 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: Baladas

>>President Bush yesterday said Americans will soon realize they need the immigrants and foreign temporary workers that would have been allowed by his immigration bill, which was defeated in the Senate last month.<<

“Would have been allowed” ???!!!??? You mean all 20 million illegals disappeared since the amnesty bill failed? Maybe now he suddenly thinks Chertoff will deport them? WTF?


312 posted on 07/20/2007 10:19:38 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

“but then what happens if the economy goes into recession and many more Americans need to find jobs and there aren’t any available to them?”

All I can tell you is that where I live, people trip all over each other trying to get jobs that pay $9.00/hour. There are plenty of people here that work these kinds of jobs and are damn glad to have them. There simply are not enough jobs of any kind to go around.

This is about one thing and one thing only: the lowest possible labor costs for business... let the taxpayers pick up the costs for health care and schooling.

I am beyond disgusted with Bush and wish that I had never voted for him. I have developed an intense dislike of the man.


313 posted on 07/20/2007 10:21:31 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: bray
How bout fighting the Dems for a change???

Why should we. Bush has been on their side more than he has for conservatives, you know, the people who risked their neck for him in two elections.

Try unplanting your lips from his backside for a change and discover reality.

314 posted on 07/20/2007 10:27:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Ramius

No one is against immigrants. We just want them admitted to fill actual needs at a controlled and assimilatable (?) rate.


315 posted on 07/20/2007 10:31:46 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Old Professer

We can prove that hiring illegal immigrants literally adds up to slave labor.


316 posted on 07/20/2007 10:35:48 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

“You mean all 20 million illegals disappeared since the amnesty bill failed?”

Stop teasing me...


317 posted on 07/20/2007 10:44:37 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: doc
I think he did get it pretty right on the war. The Dems and the MSM have spewed the mantra of "Bush lied", No weapons of mass destruction, unverified intelligence and fake intelligence so much that people tend to forget many of the truths about this war.

First, there were weapons of mass destructioin--not nuclear, but biological andchemical--they were only working toward nuclear..It has begun to come out about the weapons being transferred. The Clinton Admin. had the same intel and reached the same conclusions.

Superceding the WMD was regime change--also desired by Clinton. After all, Hussein had broken his promises made to stop the Gulf War and had ignored 17 sanctiions by the UN. He was also wheeling and dealing in oil, finding ways to get around the Oil for Food program.

Since the regime change, however, our military has been strapped by PC Rules of Engagement, and the MSM and Dems are working overtime to turn Iraq into another Vietnam, which it definitely is not.

vaudine

318 posted on 07/20/2007 11:07:17 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: bray

If you ate Food today, Thank a Mexican.

NOPE! WRONG!, If you ate food, flipped a light switch, or did ANYTHING today, besides collect WELFARE, Thank the Chinese...

Aloha kakou


319 posted on 07/20/2007 11:17:19 PM PDT by BigIsleGal (Love to Those on Rainbow Bridge and Luck to Us Who Aren't)
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To: bray
Because the migrant workers actually plant and harvest our Food.

You failed to mention the millions of Americans who do farmwork. And they're all legally in the U.S.!

320 posted on 07/21/2007 1:55:45 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: RavenATB

You are so right. We pay through the nose for medical insurance, property tax, social security witholding, food, mortgages, legal representation, car insurance and registration, college education for our kids.....etc.

If we did’t have to pay for all the above, we would be sitting pretty, if we earned $10/hour, free and clear.

When are we going to demand that the freebies to illegals stop?


321 posted on 07/21/2007 2:13:37 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: bray
Enforcing the law is code for Round up all the Mexicans and herd them back to Mexico.

Enforcing the law is code for forcing ALL illegal aliens, regardless of their countries of origin, to return to their home countries.

Where you going to find the labor to plant and harvest the crops after you deport them??

If needed, let in more legal immigrants.

322 posted on 07/21/2007 2:18:16 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: kalee

Agreed- I was telling my wife (we are health nuts, to a degree) about the Chinese method of drying tea leaves for herbal teas. Disgusting!

Now, we’re asking the grocery store for labels of origin on everything, and the health food store for the same. If enough people do it, maybe they’ll start to care.


323 posted on 07/21/2007 2:28:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: AirForceBrat23

That’s a good attempt at making sense of all this, but I think it’s a planned progression toward the North American Union.

There are advantages to such a plan for the elites, (not many for a sovereign nation) so they’ve decided that we shall have it.


324 posted on 07/21/2007 2:32:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The FairTax and the North American Union are mutually exclusive.)
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To: scan59

ping


325 posted on 07/21/2007 2:51:51 AM PDT by scan58 (Diversity results in a collection of unconnected individuals.)
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To: Baladas

It would be nice if he stated what his real agenda’s been all along, but odds are Americans would be cool to the idea of One Happy Hemisphere — no papers and half of Mexico and points south living in your garage. Instead, he’s (in the words of AlGore...’snippy’), “You’ll be sorry when there’s no one to roof your house! Don’t come crying to me then!”


326 posted on 07/21/2007 2:58:51 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Since you have no answer, I am done with you. Your logic is simple, round up all the Mexicans and then open the borders to Chinese, etc.

Most of America is not threatened by Paco picking the lettuce. You guys have no answers other than namecalling and hate. You have no answers for who will pick the crops or do the heavy lifting, just cliche’s and hate.

Glad you and your ugly mob aren’t in power. Take a look at this thread and your mob and see the hatred.

You can call me a kiss ass, but for me there is one issue and it ain’t Paco planting and picking the crops. For you it is and would rather have HilaryCare than solve your issue. You would rather have the issue to blast people with than really address how to pick the crops.

You want to Enforce the Law and then Change the Law to allow new people in. Do you even realize how rediculous that sounds, when all you would have to do is issue Guest Worker visas or some variance of that?

Pray for W and Our Troops


327 posted on 07/21/2007 3:16:48 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: Minutemen
We have plenty of home-grown unskilled workers here man...They are called drop-outs.

They've got to be willing to work, though...and by their very nature, drop-outs don't want to work.

I am not endorsing illegal aliens. I am endorsing a need for unskilled workers or the technology to replace them. :)

328 posted on 07/21/2007 3:33:43 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Jorge

These people are in complete denial. They pretend the crops will plant and pick themselves w/o Manuel help. They enjoy the cliches since it makes them better than everyone who understnds the reality of the issue.

Mexicans are generally hard working family oriented people who will show up to do the work. They are chasing the American dream like every other person who has come to this Great Country.

Americans like most on this bored have progressed past menial work and now we are importing those workers. These people want the issue to bash President Bush rather than really discuss it. To pretend Mexicans are not in the fields of America working our crops is FRediculous.

Forget the fact that the Dems are in power and not going to allow anything these people want. President Bush doesn’t have that luxury. Does anyone believe the Rats are going to allow mass deportation?? Why even propose it??

These threads are a lost cause. My guess is 20-40% of these posters are $0R0$ plants. Is there a better way to divide and destroy FR let alone the Party?

Pray for W and Our Troops


329 posted on 07/21/2007 3:43:57 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: bray

As was recently posted to me regarding my comments on RP, you’re tilting at windmills here. I’ve tried to have a reasoned dialogue with some on FR regarding this issue. But, alas, to no avail. There’s just too much anger in some.


330 posted on 07/21/2007 3:45:09 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: bray

Odd, you support illegal aliens as migrant workers, but take a strict line against Muslims, and consider moderate Muslims to be a myth (from your FRhomepage). It wouldn’t seem the two would go hand in hand.


331 posted on 07/21/2007 3:53:40 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Baladas

We’ve realized the need to dump Bush.


332 posted on 07/21/2007 3:54:42 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: traditional1

That could be the most over-used photograph on FR.


333 posted on 07/21/2007 3:55:39 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: bray
Where you going to find the labor to plant and harvest the crops after you deport them??

I'd like to know where some of these people propose to find the "labor" to round up all of the illegals (estimates are from 12 to 20 million) and deport them? I'd also like to know their ideas on how to prevent mass casualties when mass deportations begin?

334 posted on 07/21/2007 3:57:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Ramius

A voice of reason. Nicely stated.


336 posted on 07/21/2007 4:01:14 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: eeevil conservative; bray
You stop making it so hard for law abiding people to come to America, for starters.

Is this not part of what President Bush was attempting to do?

337 posted on 07/21/2007 4:03:18 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: org.whodat; bray
I doubt you've ever spent a day in a farm field.

I have. And, hey, guess what? Taxes were taken out of my paychecks. Oh, and also, taxes were taken out of the paychecks of the illegals I worked side by side with!! But, then, illegals don't pay any taxes, now do they?

338 posted on 07/21/2007 4:08:36 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: vaudine

“I think he did get it pretty right on the war.”

I disagree, on this point. Open Borders here in the US leaves us vulnerable to loosing the WOT right here in our own backyards and any attack here will negate anything we’ve accomplished elsewhere. Our borders should have been effectively secured on 9/12 before we ever sent a soldier into Afghanistan or Iraq.


339 posted on 07/21/2007 4:10:43 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: AirForceBrat23
Sort of have a similar idea about the Iraq conflict: to prime the military for a major (as in a bigger war than World War 2). There have been quite a few technology advances that have come about during this conflict (though not on the order of computers, the nuclear bomb, penicillin).

Also the main point for personal support of an enlarged United States is that the country is currently 'coasting on technology.' China and India have populations several times that of the United States. If the EU becomes a country, it would also surpass the USA in population.

The United States covers around 1/16 of the world's landmass, and has less than 5% of the global population. If huge federal nations (or just China and India) form in the future, the United States stands to become and underdog.

With other countries having more people, and others more raw resources (i.e. Russia), the primary thing (from a secular standpoint) keeping the United States in the lead is American technology. If (when?) other big countries catch up, the USA's one advantage will be lost. The last three paragraphs were more for 'all.'

340 posted on 07/21/2007 4:12:43 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: TDA2
That could be one of the reasons why California has largest amount of illegal aliens. Grains (and apparently cotton) can be planted and harvested by machine. However, many (technically your "some" still works, but it is a lot) fruits and vegetables are still picked by hand (and California produces the most fruits and vegetables).
341 posted on 07/21/2007 4:16:35 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: doc1019
An influx of ideas helps the country.

An influx of new cultures--and their attempts to survive here--does not help the country.

Except for cuisine--the exception because English/British food is so bad?

342 posted on 07/21/2007 4:18:48 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Diogenesis; bray

Are you suggesting that all the rapes and murders being committed in this country are committed by illegal immigrants only? Source please.


343 posted on 07/21/2007 4:19:13 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Pelham
We did this with Clinton....counted down the days..

Why not Bush?..

.I'm a bit anxious what he can do with 550 days left.... concerning amnesty, NAU, etc.

If this is his agenda....and it seems more obvious every day it is...

...then he will find some way to implement it.

344 posted on 07/21/2007 4:21:04 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: yorkie; bray

I watched an expose on this very thing recently. The farmers in Colorado, even with the prison inmates who are working on farms there, cannot find enough workers since the state passed new laws on the hiring of illegals. Anyone here offering up any solutions?


345 posted on 07/21/2007 4:23:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: Grunthor; bray

And how do you propose to physically remove from 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants from the U.S. at the same time you invite others to come in and be guest workers?


346 posted on 07/21/2007 4:25:37 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: DCPatriot; bray

Me too!


347 posted on 07/21/2007 4:26:49 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: ronnie raygun

Bush,”American’s will realize the need for aliens”

This is his version of “You’ll be sorry!”


348 posted on 07/21/2007 4:27:16 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Cyropaedia
That is a crux of another issue:

With both an increase in out-sourcing blue collar jobs to developing countries, and the advent of mechanized labor, it cuts out the number of jobs for blue collar workers.

However, the ultimate goal is for robots to replace all human jobs (blue and white collar). Already, librarians aren't needed to check out materials or help with the catalog and finding things. If robots become intelligent enough (and mobile enough), they could replace humans for every job (except maybe artsy ones), and it would be a good thing for society.

That would be interesting....

349 posted on 07/21/2007 4:27:18 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

It has gotten pretty bad. Will agree with you there.


350 posted on 07/21/2007 4:31:09 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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