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14 Years Later, Mystery Still Remains in the Death of Vince Foster
14 Years Later, Mystery Still Remains in the Death of Vince Foster ^ | July 21, 2007 | Kathy Miller

Posted on 07/22/2007 4:36:02 AM PDT by GFritsch

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To: investigateworld

I posted it trying to show ‘This is compounded by the fact the family seems to be satisfied with the results.’.

I really don’t think a wife crying by her husband’s grave is a Clinton hit piece.

I wouldn’t doubt the Rose Law firm remarks are...but my post was in reference to Lisa’s state of mind.

101 posted on 07/22/2007 10:47:28 AM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: GFritsch
I read somewhere--probably in FreeRep--that the reason they hired Janet Reno as Atty. General was because they knew that they needed a "dirty cop" in that position.

102 posted on 07/22/2007 10:48:42 AM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: BenLurkin
Where are determined detectives like Columbo when they're needed?

The main point here is that many of us believe the Clintons had Foster killed. We also believe that all of those 50 plus bodies that are lying in their hasty wake enroute to the White House were murdered.

Putting these felons in the W-H for another term would be like letting Teddy drive young girls home (or wherever) drunk.

103 posted on 07/22/2007 10:52:29 AM PDT by GFritsch ('All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved'." -)
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To: bannie
I believe Reno was selected because she was a blitering lesbian imbecile who would do as she was told.

Then there's Madeleine Albright and the surgeon general, Jocelyn Elders.

104 posted on 07/22/2007 10:56:49 AM PDT by GFritsch ('All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved'." -)
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To: jaz.357

I stood at that spot with Patrick Knowlton one Saturday. He went through the details of the day and the events after that day. He told us about the interviewe by the FBI and the days in court.

105 posted on 07/22/2007 10:57:29 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: ran20

Classic Clinton Joke

Last summer, the newly-elected President and Mrs. Clinton were vacationing in their home state of Arkansas. On a venture one day, they stopped at a service station to fill up their car with gas. It seemed that the owner of the station was once Hillary's high school sweetheart.

They exchanged hellos and then the White House couple went on their way.

As they were driving on to their final destination, Bill put his arm around Hillary and said, "Well, honey, if you had stayed with him, you would now be the wife of a service station owner."

She smirked and replied, "No! If I had stayed with him, HE would be the President of the United States!"

106 posted on 07/22/2007 11:02:18 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: GFritsch

We reached the infernal depths with the clintonistas.

I cannot believe anyone could possibly conceive of putting these criminals in the WH again.

107 posted on 07/22/2007 11:04:47 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: GFritsch

Where’s Craig Livingstone today and what is he doing for a living?

He fell off the face of the earth? Seriously does anyone know...?

108 posted on 07/22/2007 11:07:43 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Calpernia

The factual errors/misstatements reveal the author's interest in whitewashing the Clinton's.

I suspect we'll see more of these stories as Hillary moves towards the White House.

(And unless a tsunami such as 9-11 hits again, she has it in the bag :^( ....)

109 posted on 07/22/2007 11:12:29 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Those BP guys will do more prison time than many convicted Japanese war criminals ...thanks Bush!)
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To: eleni121

We reached the infernal depths with the clintonistas.

I cannot believe anyone could possibly conceive of putting these criminals in the WH again.”


110 posted on 07/22/2007 11:18:03 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: eleni121
These criminals are constitutionally prohibited from serving again: the amendment that term limits presidents also applies to unelected co-presidents.

I say this because (A) the Constitution will limit your terms if you ascend to the presidency through unelected means (death, impeachment, or resignation of the elected president) and (B) Hillary is saying that Bill will have powers as she did in his White House.

This is clearly a violation of the intent of this amendment.

Push the Constitutional Crisis question in the debates. “How can you legally serve AGAIN?” NO THIRD TERM.

Also the public is getting sick and tired of alternating oligarchies of the Clintons and the Bushes.

111 posted on 07/22/2007 11:20:14 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: weegee

Also the public is getting sick and tired of alternating oligarchies of the Clintons and the Bushes.

Yeah but even moreso - the public is sure sick of the Dems controlling Congress!

112 posted on 07/22/2007 11:23:09 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: investigateworld

If the Clinton’s are never held accountable....then this is all a farce. JMO.

113 posted on 07/22/2007 11:24:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: eleni121; GFritsch
Seriously does anyone know...?

I tried the Wikipedia thing, and there's scant mention of him then, let alone now.

114 posted on 07/22/2007 11:24:48 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Northern Yankee

I understand that Hilary is famous for going off on Blacks and Jews.

I am half expecting a tape to surface during this campaign where she is caught cussing Blacks and Jews.


115 posted on 07/22/2007 11:27:41 AM PDT by Diggity
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To: GFritsch
Uncle, do you remember the dyed-blonde hairs that were found on Vince's clothes?

From the Starr report:

"In debris collected from Mr. Foster's clothing, the FBI Laboratory reported finding two blond to light brown head hairs of Caucasian origin that were suitable for comparison purposes and dissimilar to those of Mr. Foster. the hairs did not appear to have been forcibly removed. Hair evidence can become important or relevant in a criminal investigation when there is a known suspect and a significant evidentiary question whether the suspect can be forensically linked to another person (a rape or murder victim, for example) or to a particular location. If the suspect is a stranger to the victim or the scene, the presence of the suspect's hair is relevant in assessing whether he or she had contact with the victim or scene. In this case, however, the only known individuals who reasonably might have been compelled to provide hair samples were persons already known to have had contact with Mr. Foster."

Also they found that he had dined very recently and had drank wine.

From the Starr Report:

"During the 1993 investigation, the laboratory of the Virginia Division of Forensic Science found that the blood, vitreous humor, and urine were negative for alcohols and ketones. The Laboratory did not detect "phencyclidine, morphine, cocaine, [or] benzoyleogonine"; "other alkaline extractable drugs"; or "acidic [or] neutral drugs."

116 posted on 07/22/2007 11:40:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: GFritsch
For the life of me I have never understood how the Klintoons get away with so much. It will come to an end one day and they will have a lot of splaning to do to the creator.
There was an old movie with Andy Griffith as a preacher on the same wave length as Jim Baker. The people loved him and trusted him, until one day as he was doing his radio show and completed it, the microphone got left on by mistake and he stated what he thought of the dumb asses that believed in him.
This will eventually happen to Klintoon. Both Mr & Mrs.
117 posted on 07/22/2007 11:50:42 AM PDT by DeaconRed (We must make sure our Brave Military gets the support to Win This WAR. Not another Viet Nam.)
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To: ErnBatavia

Notice the Livingstone reference


from the NY Post September 18, 2002
Brian Blumquist


Clinton scandal players seeking money from Uncle Sam to cover their lawyers’ fees:

Bill and Hillary Clinton - $3,549,561

Monica Lewinsky - $1,165,390 - former intern at center of Sexgate

Vernon Jordan - - $302,719 - Clinton pal helped Lewinsky find lawyer and job

Susan McDougal - $345,412 - Whitewater partner

Bruce Lindsey - $245,023 - Clinton trouble fixer

Ken Bacon - $10,780 - Pentagon spokesman dished dirt on Linda Tripp

Cliff Bernath - $6,093 - Bacon’s deputy

Bennie Beard - $7,500 - involved in appraisal of investigated land deal

Gloria Cabe - $28,135 - Clinton campaign manager in 1990

Glenda Cooper - $6,300 - involved in Branscum trial, an offshoot of Whitewater

Harry Denton - $1,451 - Arkansas banker and Whitewater bit player

Kevin Fornshill - $11,560 - cop who discovered Vince Foster’s body

Bill Henley - $7,500 - Susan McDougal’s brother

Robert Hill - $5,000 - banker accused of illegally funneling money to Clinton

Ellen Kulka - $862 - general counsel in Resolution Trust Corp. probe of Whitewater

Dan Lasater - $863,095 - never charged in drug-trafficking investigation

Craig Livingstone - $235,299 - White House security man ordered up FBI files on GOPers

Anthony Marceca - $189,968 - also investigated in FBI-files probe

Matthew Moore - $84,790 - junior White House staffer worked for Clinton travel chief William Watkins

Bayani Nelvis - $18,850 - White House usher pressed to talk about Clinton-Lewinsky

Michael Schaufele - $242,438 - Accountant for Clinton friend Webster Hubbell

Nicholas Stonnington - $47,419 - Merrill Lynch consultant hired Hubbell

Ginny Terzano - $528 - Former press aide to Bill Clinton and Al Gore

Patsy Thomasson - $31,273 - Watkins’ deputy at time of Travel Office firings

William Watkins - $129,583 - Travel chief said Hillary pressured him to fire workers

William Watt - $72,229 - one-time target in Whitewater

Betsey Wright - $166,581 - custodian of records in Clinton’s 1990 campaign

TOTAL: $7,775,339

118 posted on 07/22/2007 11:50:50 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

The public didn’t vote to empower the Democrats in Congress, they voted to unempower the Republicans in Congress. The DNC proclaimed it a mandate and has p!ssed off the public holding over 600 partisan witchhunt “investigations”.

It isn’t what the public wanted.

And you have to wonder about public support for raising the minimum wage. We are told that we need to permit illegal immigrants to enter the country because we need a source for low-income workers. Workers who are paid below the minimum wage.

119 posted on 07/22/2007 11:55:54 AM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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To: GFritsch

Craig Livingstone did exist...and Al Gore knows something too. (hope this isn’t too long but it’s a blast from the past and worth it)



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They call him ‘’The Mayor of the White House.’’

Craig Livingstone strolls from one corner of America’s most famous residence to another, greeted with waves and ‘’hi’s’’ from staffers and security people. Every 10 minutes or so he stops — sometimes in mid-sentence — to respond to his beeper, usually beckoning him to put out one sort of fire or another as he carries out his duties as Director of Personnel Security at the White House.

The buzz word in his conversations is ‘’situation’’ — as in ‘’yesterday’s situation,’’ ‘’today’s situation’’ and ‘’the other situation.’’

Following him around the White House is a lesson in navigation in exclusive waters. Keep your eyes and ears open, know when to keep your mouth closed, recognize the players, get the picture quickly, be nice and smile are the lessons learned early on.

Livingstone, a former Indiana University of Pennsylvania student and 1977 graduate of Beaver High School, is a member of the White House’s ‘’second tier of staff’’ as he puts it. Among his duties are doing background investigations on staffers and checking out those requesting press credentials, being the liaison with the Secret Service and the FBI on personnel security and helping stage events attended by President Clinton, such as the recent signing of the Middle East Peace Accord.

‘’Basically my job is to stay out of the way and be invisible. If I’m around, something’s wrong.’’ At only 35, he’s a political veteran with major responsibilities and access to the power brokers in the White House. It’s not unusual for him to confer with senior policy adviser George Stephanopoulos (’’he’s brilliant,’’ Livingstone says), chief of staff Mack McLarty and other big guns from the president’s inner circle. He sees the president almost daily and — along with other staffers — sits in on an occasional meeting with him.

Livingstone, who lives in suburban Maryland, leaves this week for London where he will do preliminary work in coordinating the June presidential visit to mark the 50th anniversary of D-Day. He oversaw the burial of Virginia Kelley, the president’s mother, and was asked to coordinate the president’s role at Richard Nixon’s funeral, which he was unable to do because of a personal commitment elsewhere.

Stephanopoulos, who has worked with Livingstone since Clinton’s presidential campaign, gives him high marks. ‘’He does a terrific job. All I know is that anything that has anything to do with security or logistics — Craig’s going to take care of it. You don’t have to tell him how to do it, when to do it. Just that it needs to be done, and he does it. And he knows how to cut through the bureaucracy and get things done.’’

There are sometimes problems attached to getting things done. Livingstone readily admits ‘’we had been remiss in the quickness of getting people cleared’’ for some jobs, especially early on. He explains that the hiring and investigation process hit a lot of snags due to staff transition and unexpected kinks in the system.

This past March Livingstone’s venue was Pittsburgh as a member of the team to plan the visit of Clinton and British Prime Minister John Major. Arriving days in advance he ensconced himself at the Tin Angel restaurant on Mount Washington where the leaders were to dine. Then the work began. Checking out exits and people, directing the installation of 17 phone lines, even opening stuck doors and later, checking to see that the bill for dinner had been paid (it had) were among his tasks.

‘’He and 15 people on the advance team showed up with business cards and credentials. Craig was real businesslike and pleasant but I wouldn’t want to be on his bad side,’’ said Maria Kyros, the restaurant’s co-owner.

Kyros got a taste of Livingstone’s access to the president when ‘’one night at 11 o’clock his private phone rang. Only the president’s office calls him on that phone and when it rang he said, ‘that’s the big guy’ and left the room to take the call.’’ It was the president’s operator asking a question for Clinton.

In April, Livingstone was back in the area (his grandfather still lives in Ellwood City though his parents have moved to Maryland) to speak at an education conference at IUP. Not one to forget where he came from, he recently set up a White House internship program for an IUP student.

‘’He had a great deal of poise and was well-versed in terms of what’s going on at the White House and administration policy,’’ said Robert McGowan, acting associate dean, College of Fine Arts, at the college. He remembers Livingstone well and has kept in touch with him off and on over the years.

Teachers tend to recall the bright students but McGowan said Livingstone was ‘’persistent, not intimidated by authority,’’ as well as smart. ‘’He had some sense of vision for himself and a passion for politics. So I wasn’t surprised when he called me about six months ago about the intern program,’’ McGowan said.

That passion has been simmering for years. ‘’When I was 15 I said I wanted to work in the White House. People laughed but I developed strong political skills like getting people to work together who don’t like each other but are exceptionally good at what they do.’’

As a student leader (national vice president of the U.S. Student Association) he went to Poland during the initial push for Solidarity and was invited to address students there and meet Lech Walesa.

Livingstone now has an office in the Old Executive Office Building across from the White House. But in his student days he was often on the other side of the fence — literally — carrying a picket sign. He did his share of demonstrating at the White House ‘’many times’’ against President Reagan’s financial aid policies, education issues and in support of organized labor.

His professional career in Democratic Party politics began when he worked on the personal staff of Geraldine Ferraro (’’I took care of the bags’’) during her vice presidential campaign and on Gary Hart’s staff during his presidential bids in 1984 and 1988. In addition to doing whatever was needed on campaign stops Livingstone said, ‘’I always had a clean shirt or blouse for them. Every politician likes to get into a clean shirt. Those are the things they remember.’’

In between campaigns he held jobs as diverse as doing public relations for a casino in Atlantic City and the film ‘’The Last Temptation of Christ,’’ serving as assistant to Washington City Council member Charlene Jarvis and training Angolan guerrilla soliders in democratic politics in advance of an election there. He was also director of operations for the Democratic Convention in Atlanta in 1988.

Impressing the right people in the right way got Livingstone the job as director of security for Clinton’s inaugural celebration. Al Gore had ‘’known about me through the grapevine.’’ Gore asked Livingstone to put together his announcement to run for the presidency in 1988. He was on Gore’s advance team in 1992. And on solid ground with Clinton and Gore high-level staffers.

Livingstone’s beeper was working overtime while on the job with former Arkansan/current Hollywood producer Harry Thomason during the inaugural festivities, and got his current job one week after the swearing in.

‘’He’s very level-headed ... patient and professional. You need those attributes in a job like his. He’s someone who excels when it’s a crisis situation,’’ said deputy press secretary Ginny Terzano.

Although there is not a crisis every day, one suspects Livingstone would like there to be one. In the meantime, he’s popping in and out of the White House senior staff dining room (’’the mess’’ as regulars call it), walking by the Oval Office, criss-crossing the Rose Garden and arranging special White House tours and other hard-to-get tickets for appreciative friends and acquaintances.

McGowan and his parents were the recipients of this generosity on a recent trip to Washington. They sat in the presidential box at the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for Performing Arts, compliments of Livingstone. ‘’My parents actually sat in president and Mrs. Clinton’s seats,’’ McGowan said. To say they were all thrilled is putting it mildly.

Also in the D.C. area, is Livingstone’s brother, Steven, an engineer, a political appointee in the Department of Energy working on hazardous environment issues. He, like his parents, is a Republican.

Livingstone tries to squeeze in time for bicycling and going to movies — his passion. And while he’s winning friends and influencing people in the nation’s capital, he’s gearing up for another campaign — to find someone in the girlfriend/ wife/mate/date category.

‘’I’m ready, it’s my next project after I leave this job,’’ he said. Working 12 and 15 hours a day, six and seven days a week isn’t the best arrangement for building a social life. ‘’I meet women just like me. They put themselves and their careers first, they’re goal-oriented. Most of us are here because we believe in the president’s agenda.’’

That agenda is presently focused on dealing with the latest round of sexual misconduct charges not to mention Whitewater and cattle futures trading. Do these charges discourage Livingstone?

‘’I am a presidential staffer and I understand that role. I believe in the fundamental vison he has for America and there will always be distractions associated with any president. I see him daily and while I’m concerned about (the charges), I believe in the president 100 percent.’’

Livingstone, having observed the president up close for more than two years, says Clinton ‘’is very focused, caring and impassioned. He has an amazing ability to remember people’s names. You don’t dare meet with him without being prepared because very often he’ll know more about the subject than you.’’

Livingstone knows he’s existing in a unique environment that won’t last forever. After this stint in Washington, he believes his next direction will be due west — as a producer in Hollywood. If that happens, he’ll no doubt arrive with enough experience to make a new niche for himself — beeper required.

120 posted on 07/22/2007 11:58:26 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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