Posted on 07/23/2007 3:13:48 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
“Change that tune. LOL!”
Again, I don’t know what are you trying to get at here. Is there an important point that you are trying to make here, or do you just want to nitpick?
I had thought that claims were made saying that HFCS and sucrose were in fact exactly identical, or at least nearly identical, since they both include sucrose and glucose in the same proportions. I was simply making the point that because HFCS lacks the chemical bond between the sucrose and glucose, it is not really the same. If that was already understood, then my apologies.
I don’t understand how you are reaching your conclusions about my posts. I think you are misinterpreting them, or at least micro-analyzing them to the point that you think I am “changing my tune” when I haven’t. I said that the excess consumption of HFCS is the main harm from the beginning, and that part of the reason for that is because the studies I had read showed that HFCS messes with the body’s ability to know when it is “full.” This is a point of contention — and perhaps the studies that Mase posted are correct in refuting these previous studies regarding satiety. I’ll concede that. But I think that the jury is still out on this. So where did I change my tune, exactly?
It’s kind of fun to search for HFCS myths on the Net. Here’s a good list of myths that supports the “HFCS is safe” crowd:
http://members.ift.org/NR/rdonlyres/8F78D267-B0D5-40D2-BFEF-66B74564DCB9/0/1006perspective.pdf
And here is a list of myths from a magazine article I’d read a couple years back which says the opposite:
Over the last twenty years, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) has become a dominant ingredient in many foods that are found in cupboards of most Americans. It is even marketed as an ingredient in diet foods and drinks such as diet sodas. What exactly is HFCS and why is it bad for a healthy diet? The following article addresses common myths associated with HFCS so you can truly know what you are ingesting.
1. HFCS is “a natural, homegrown sweetener”.
HFCS is neither natural nor homegrown. It is originally made from corn starch, but then undergoes a rigorous chemical process that creates separate fructose and glucose molecules.
2. HFCS is a “nutritive sweetener”.
HFCS is not nutritive. The body does not process amounts of simple fructose and glucose in the same way as sucrose. Therefore insulin production is negatively affected. Also, extra carbohydrates are turned into fat instead of being metabolized to glycogen.
3. HFCS “can be enjoyed as part of a balanced diet”.
HFCS cannot really be part of a balanced diet. The body interprets the sweetness as having eaten food, but doesn’t register any of the calories. This makes the body crave something more. This is anything but a balanced diet.
4. HFCS is “generally recognized as safe”.
It can be safe, but not in the huge amounts as people are using it in today. The consumption of HFCS has grown 250% percent over the last 15 years. In large amounts, it contributes to obesity and type II diabetes.
5. “HFCS contains approximately the equal ratios of fructose and glucose, similar to table sugar”
It is not similar to table sugar. There is no bond between the two molecules, and therefore the body does not recognize parts of it, and therefore it bypasses the process of breaking down the molecules.
6. “The human body cannot discern a difference between HFCS, table sugar, and honey”
The body can tell a difference. The body’s cells aren’t registering the fructose as a signal to increase insulin production to burn it up, and so instead it gets burned as fat. There is no enzyme in the body to break down HFCS, as it is already broken down. There are such enzymes for both table sugar and honey.
7. “HFCS has proved beneficial”
HFCS is being linked with the growth of obesity and type II diabetes.
8. HFCS is included in “several products that are specially made for people trying to control their weight.”
The mind doesn’t register HFCS as caloric intake, and therefore the body craves to eat something more. This explains why even those who drink diet soda or take part in these diet plans of HFCS still gain weight.
I figure that no matter which side is true, HFCS is not really a nutritious substance for the body anyway, so it does me no harm — and from what I can tell in my own personal experience, a significant amount of good — to avoid it. If you disagree, that’s fine, nothing to start a holy war about, after all.
And we all know where fiber goes...
Nitpick? First you kept changing your claim about what other people have posted, then you changed from saying HFCS was one of the “most harmful ingredients ever created” to saying don't eat too much, it'll make you fat.
I hope you stretched before those flips, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.
I had thought that claims were made saying that HFCS and sucrose were in fact exactly identical
And when I asked you to show me that claim, you couldn't.
I was simply making the point that because HFCS lacks the chemical bond between the sucrose and glucose, it is not really the same.
Again, no one said they were "really the same".
What is most clear is that a minority of us are not cut out for a high carbohydrate diet. Within that minority, many of us have an ability to handle foods so rich in iron they'd be toxic to everybody else. There are even minorities within the minority who can fall into freezing cold water and survive for 4 hours or even more while the average human being dies in just a few minutes if unaided.
There are folks who can live at high elevations but suffer all sorts of chronic respiratory problems at sea-level. Many of them also have trouble with a high carbohydrate diet.
Other people spend their lives herding animals across nearly empty seasonal grasslands ~ they, too, find carbohydrates to be a rare treat ~ not something to be eaten every day.
When these people who are genetically oriented to a different ecological/dietary niche find themselves outside their natural range they literally get sick from the food.
Modern science has shown a way this minority can be accommodated. First we give up the bread, then the potatoes, then the rice, tapioca, bananas, and anything higher than a level 24 on the standard glycemic index.
That leaves about 17 fruits and vegetables to eat on a regular basis, plus doultz.
Pour on some olive oil and a plate of roast seal liver and life is good and free of disease.
BTW,that seal meat is about 25X as rich in iron as other meat. You gotta' be specially adapted to deal with it ~ takes several thousand years most likely.
Why four/year?
Do you have a developing or chronic health problem?
I read your profile so I guess you’re about 58-62; I’m 67 and do take Toprol once/day, HDL is low, blood test due but hate doctors.
I drink beer, water, milk and coffee in that order, eat sparingly of whatever is handy; walk about a mile a day (chasing dogs to get them in the house), never drink sodas (unless I run out of beer), smoke two packs a day and weigh 142lbs dressed at 5’11” tall.
I still wear clothes I bought 30 years ago.
I have to live at least ten more years to keep from dying prematurely, by then they will have moved that figure up a few years and I’ll still get blamed.
I just saw a headline the other day that said that coffee can give you a heart attack. It's the caffeine. Also, what most of these soft drinks have in common is caffeine.
Always liked Strohs ~ and the other rice beers from Japan. Still, alcohol does put a strain on the kidneys and Type I and Type II diabetics need to give it up.
Milk is fine, provided it's lactose free (another part of that ecological niche deal), and coffee is probably a necessity ~
It's not "4 years" but "4 hours". There are people in this world whose systems do not "protect core heat" when they get dunked in cold water. Rather, they keep on pumping blood to their arms and legs so they can have the strength to get out of that water. It's pretty much an ethnocentric thing.
You'll get used to it :^)
It's not all that important in the large scheme of things, after all.
Now that we all know that HFCS isn't the "most harmful ingredient" in our diets.
Actually, I think I am changing my tune now, somewhat.
Excellent.
I have to thank Mase for pointing out some studies
He's very good at refuting the bad science on these threads.
I doubt that it will change my dietary routine -- I just avoid HFCS as much as possible, as it is the dominant sweetener nowadays and is in so many products
I'm the same way, too much sugar of any sort screws me up.
“You’ll get used to it :^)”
Haha, well now I know.
Caffeine, I don’t care about. It isn’t an issue. The 30 extra pounds of fat that I *was* carrying around three plus months ago, was the problem. Chest pain, arm pain- gone. I feel ten years younger.
This can’t be true because there’s a girl at the gym who drinks diet mountain dew when she works out and she has very healthy lungs. :)
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