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Potter Mania: Should Christian Kids Read 'Harry Potter'?
Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 7/20/2007 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 07/23/2007 7:04:00 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback

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To: Secret Agent Man; oneamericanvoice
Too bad as a parent you can’t get your kid into God’s Word...

Some of us have actually done both.

My oldest was "enchanted" by the first book in 5th grade. He's having a hard time getting to read this one because he just got back from his fourth missions trip, is working Vacation Bible School this week, has Bible study tonight...

201 posted on 07/24/2007 4:32:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: oneamericanvoice
Wow, really? In that case do yourself a favor and read Lewis's Screwtape Letters, and follow up with his speeches, collected in Mere Christianity.

He didn't start out as a Christian apologist, though. In fact, he didn't abandon agnosticism until after his military service in Europe in World War I. If you're interested in his conversion, check out Surprised by Joy.

202 posted on 07/24/2007 5:36:11 AM PDT by Tenniel2 (The heroes of Flight 93 diverted the wrong plane.)
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To: mountn man

I’ve read all the books and they are pretty harmless. The source of magic is never made clear. They are not very deep reading although OOTP reminded me a lot of working for a large corporation.

However, I have seen no evidence that Harry Potter books encourage kids to read anything besides Harry Potter books.


203 posted on 07/24/2007 5:47:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mountn man
Should their kids be reading novels about wizards and witches and magic?

This includes The Wizard of Oz - witches, wizard AND magic.

Thank God my parents didn't ban these kind of books for me.

204 posted on 07/24/2007 5:52:35 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Shadowstrike

operative word, “fantasy” people.


205 posted on 07/24/2007 6:00:41 AM PDT by television is just wrong (I'm with Fred too.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
r9, Please go to biblegateway.com or bible.com and look up witchcraft. See what your God has to say about it, then decide if Christians should care whether they are damaged for standing against Harry. Good people have to make hard choices sometimes.

By that standard, I must also condemn C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkein, and also, I suppose, James Barrie (Peter Pan), P. L. Travers (Mary Poppins), and who knows how many others.

No thanks. Narrow minded idiocy is what brought down the Pharisees.

206 posted on 07/24/2007 6:13:47 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Thanks for the heads up!


207 posted on 07/24/2007 6:17:33 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: abner; altura; Androcles; andyssister; Bigs from the North; Blue Eyes; Caipirabob; ccmovrwc; ...

Potter Ping!


208 posted on 07/24/2007 6:18:51 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: Secret Agent Man
Umm, she tried to make the point that HP and the Bible teach the same message. They clearly don’t.

Yawn. Read the books, then talk to us about the point Rowling "tried to make." Aggressive ignorance is not a virtue.

209 posted on 07/24/2007 6:21:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: retrokitten
Harry Potter is the DEVIL! I read the first chapter of "Deathly Hallows" and it made me want to dance around in the moonlight naked.

Did I say that out loud?

210 posted on 07/24/2007 6:23:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("It's like being a house elf, but without the job satisfaction.")
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To: CholeraJoe

Whew, I thought it was just me... LOL!


211 posted on 07/24/2007 6:24:58 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (Gryffindor '88 Arthur Weasley will be named the Minister of Magic. Snape will die a hero.)
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To: AppyPappy
However, I have seen no evidence that Harry Potter books encourage kids to read anything besides Harry Potter books.

Not true, at least in my household.

212 posted on 07/24/2007 6:25:43 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: CholeraJoe
read the first chapter of "Deathly Hallows" and it made me want to dance around in the moonlight naked.

EEEeeeeewwwwww!!!! Be honest, Joe ... you're gonna play an Inferi in the next movie, aren't you?

213 posted on 07/24/2007 6:26:46 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
you're gonna play an Inferi in the next movie, aren't you?

I wish I could but the restraining order says I have to stay 100 yards away from Emma Watson.

214 posted on 07/24/2007 6:30:47 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("It's like being a house elf, but without the job satisfaction.")
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Of course they do. They also cast spells and practice sorcery.

Like Gandalf and Luke Skywalker.

215 posted on 07/24/2007 6:36:31 AM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"Christian parenting" is often shorthand for "Using the threat of supernatural vengeance to scare kids into behaving in ways parents are comfortable with". The objection to Harry Potter seems therefore to stem as much from the idea that the books might cast doubt on the surety of that supernatural vengeance, removing a key tool from the controlling parent's arsenal. Thus the prescriptions to "read the Bible, instead", and keep the children's eyes away from any material that might provoke uncomfortable questions.

These types are articles never really about keeping kids safe from "demonic possession". They are always about keeping kids scared and firmly under parental control.

216 posted on 07/24/2007 6:38:00 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Those people would be those living in darkness.

Darkness is living with the same beliefs and fears as the ancients. One day humanity will read about modern religion in the same context as the worshipers of the gods of Olympus. They'll wonder why the same people who split the atom and conquered disease where afraid of the medieval retribution of a bronze age deity.

217 posted on 07/24/2007 6:46:31 AM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
No, but there are many kids who do get interested in the occult from HP. They think it’s a safe thing to get involved in because of what they’ve read in HP - namely they will be okay doing magic if they have good intentions

I've read this accusation for ten years. It worried my mother for a while so she had me read the books before letting my younger siblings - some of them were only five or six at the time - read them. I still haven't actually found anyone who can back this claim up with evidence. Where are the kids flocking to Wicca? Where is the huge increase in virgin sacrifices and satanism? It's been ten years, there should be some proof by now.

218 posted on 07/24/2007 6:46:36 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Secret Agent Man
No, the error is yours. The Bible is clear that what people think is magic is actually demonic spirits carrying out the persons’ commands because they have some knowledge of how to interact to get the spirits to do what they want (for awhile). That is why He wants people to have nothing to do with this kind of stuff.

So God told you not to read Harry Potter?

219 posted on 07/24/2007 6:51:42 AM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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To: Barnacle
"the Potter stories shows the weird stuff (the occult) as something that can be accessed to one's advantage."

If that's your concern, you really don't have to worry about the Harry Potter books on that score:

(1) The magical ability is portrayed as being quasi- genetic. If you haven't got it, you're --- like all the people reading these books ---a Muggle, and there's nothing you can do about it, however hard you try.

(2) The wands cannot be duplicated in the real words: each one must have a core consisting of either dragon heartstring, unicorn hair, or phoenix feather. Nothing you could find at Wal-Mart. The potions have similarly fictitious ingredients (ashwinder eggs? jobberknoll feathers?) not likely to inspire alchemical imitators.

(3) Most important: the ordinary wizarding magic is portrayed as an alternative technology (the equivalent of a fax, a laser, an antibiotic, a GPS), not as access to unseen bodiless entities.

Harry never uses the ultimate unforgivable curse (the "Avada Cadavra") which causes death, even in the heat of battle; the bad guys, the Death Eaters, use it all the time. Instead, Harry almost always uses the "Expelliarmus", which causes the weapons to fly out of aggressors' hands. The fact that he doesn't use deadly spells is portrayed as very significant; "Expelliarmus" (Disarm) is seent as Harry's "signature spell", by which others can identify him.

And when in the HP books there IS access to an unseen bodiless entity, a true conjuring of occult spirits (e.g. Voldemort's conjuring) it is always portrayed as dangerous, defiling, and sickeningly evil.

Exactly the lesson you would want impressed upon your children.

I don't think HP is above criticism. The series has its flaws. Myself, I much prefer Narnia. However, I think your most serious concerns --- about making the occult attractive ---- can be laid to rest.

220 posted on 07/24/2007 7:15:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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