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Putin takes hard line on U.S. defense plans
The Buffalo News ^ | 07/26/07

Posted on 07/26/2007 2:02:48 PM PDT by lizol

Putin takes hard line on U.S. defense plans

Updated: 07/26/07 6:52 AM

MOSCOW (AP) — President Vladimir V. Putin vowed Wednesday to strengthen Russia’s military capability and step up spying abroad in response to U.S. plans to build missile defense sites and to deploy troops in Eastern Europe.

“The situation in the world and internal political interests require the Foreign Intelligence Service to permanently increase its capabilities, primarily in the field of information and analytical support for the country’s leadership,” Putin said in a meeting with senior military and security officers in remarks that were posted on the Kremlin’s Web site. The Foreign Intelligence Service is a successor agency to the KGB.

Putin did not identify specific nations as targets, but officials in the United States and Britain have said recently that Moscow has intensified its spying in those countries.

Putin said U.S. plans to station troops in Eastern Europe and Washington’s intention to base missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic pose security challenges for Russia. Washington says the facilities are necessary to protect the United States and Europe from missiles launched by Iran or other rogue states.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; kgb; poland; putin; russia; sovietunion

1 posted on 07/26/2007 2:02:52 PM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 07/26/2007 2:03:42 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

“..missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic pose security challenges for Russia.”

Hate to admit it, but Russia is right. Then again, we are forced to build these sites simply because we can’t trust communists. (Only Muslims are trustworthy.)


3 posted on 07/26/2007 2:39:41 PM PDT by 353FMG (America, first, last and always.)
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To: lizol

Scary stuff, and of course, not news worthy for most MSM.


4 posted on 07/26/2007 2:44:47 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: lizol

kasparov’s editorial “don putin” in the wsj today says it all.

putin’s a godfather.


5 posted on 07/26/2007 2:53:47 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: lizol

“and step up spying abroad in response to U.S. plans to build missile defense sites and to deploy troops in Eastern Europe.”

Good - this will bankrupt them again.


6 posted on 07/26/2007 2:55:00 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Good - this will bankrupt them again.

Why on earth, does Russia still behave like it's the cold war era? Why can't they just move on? Sheesh!
7 posted on 07/26/2007 2:58:04 PM PDT by mutley
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To: 353FMG
In a way you, and the Sov..er Russians are right. Since their foreign policy depends upon fear and threats. Anything which would diminish their basically only tool makes Putin weaker( Zero sum, Marxist calculus thing ).

Anyways, the Russians and Putin are always caterwauling and their threats are squelched out in the calculus. As they say in the markets, the Russians are already discounted. That’s what happens when you only have one note. People tune you out.

8 posted on 07/26/2007 3:04:00 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: mutley

“Why on earth, does Russia still behave like it’s the cold war era”

Read Banfield and Moral Basis of a Bankrupt Society.

The Russians have a culture that precludes internal development. They believe that life is a zero sum game and that the only way to advance is to take. They have no trust in anything and they can never be trusted.

They have only survived by systematic genocide and wholesale theft.


9 posted on 07/26/2007 3:06:22 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: lizol

I guess the BarB Que at Kennebunkport didn’t pan out.


10 posted on 07/26/2007 3:08:18 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (Fred Thompson in 08, start printing the Bumper Stickers!)
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To: spanalot

Like, even if the Russians found out something, what are they going to do with it? Build world class organizations that can long term exploit it?

I
don’t
think
so.


11 posted on 07/26/2007 3:09:12 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: spanalot
"They believe that life is a zero sum game and that the only way to advance is to take. They have no trust in anything and they can never be trusted."

We talking Democrats here?

12 posted on 07/26/2007 3:11:51 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: agincourt1415

We are doing it. Putin stutters and shouts. For Putin, it could be boob bait for the locals. Bush couldn’t care.


13 posted on 07/26/2007 3:13:26 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: spanalot
The Russians have a culture that precludes internal development. They believe that life is a zero sum game and that the only way to advance is to take. They have no trust in anything and they can never be trusted.

I really, REALLY don't like the idea that what you say is true. In my comfortable world, we and the Russians can get along and help each other with various world issues.
14 posted on 07/26/2007 3:15:21 PM PDT by mutley
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To: mutley

“I really, REALLY don’t like the idea that what you say is true”

Tell me about it - my parents lost 1200 hectares or 3000 acres to the Russians - prime Carpathian sub alpine property.

But they fled with their lives - these poor sobs lost everything.

http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/


15 posted on 07/26/2007 3:21:59 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: lizol
Washington says the facilities are necessary to protect the United States and Europe from missiles launched by Iran or other rogue states.

Putin apparently thinks Russia is one of those rogue states. Wonder why ?

16 posted on 07/26/2007 4:16:11 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: mutley
Russia is still angry at having lost the cold war. They want to reverse their losses. What they don’t realize is that their rabid behavior will only earn them another humiliating defeat at our hands.
17 posted on 07/26/2007 4:22:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: lizol

Once a Commie, always a Commie...


18 posted on 07/26/2007 9:11:01 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I wouldn’t necessarily say so. Russia gets away with a lot more than they would ever have during the Cold War.


19 posted on 07/26/2007 9:12:14 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: mutley

Why on earth, does Russia still behave like it’s the cold war era? Why can’t they just move on? Sheesh!==

Don’t you look on America lately? Who deploys the new weaponry and bases in Europe? America provokes Russia. Russia should answer.


20 posted on 07/27/2007 3:35:34 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: spanalot

They believe that life is a zero sum game and that the only way to advance is to take. ==

Aren’t we all? Name me any latino country which likes America?

They have only survived by systematic genocide and wholesale theft.==

Slander. Comminism theory which you imply was divised in Germany and England (check where Marx and Engels from) and was pushed on Russia by Civil war 1917-22.


21 posted on 07/27/2007 3:39:55 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: Thunder90

Once a Commie, always a Commie...==

Heh heh:)) Lizol is the former commie:)


22 posted on 07/27/2007 3:40:50 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is still angry at having lost the cold war. They want to reverse their losses. ==

You so wrong here. Russia benefitted from USSR demise. Accually Russian leaders were aganist Soviet leaders in the end years of USSR era.

What they don’t realize is that their rabid behavior will only earn them another humiliating defeat at our hands.==

Rabid behaivior is to provoke new Russia into the new Cold war. We all will “cry blood tears” later because of those irresponsible provokateers of today.


23 posted on 07/27/2007 3:45:10 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan
Don’t you look on America lately? Who deploys the new weaponry and bases in Europe? America provokes Russia. Russia should answer.

I don't think we are doing anything to provoke Russia, and quite frankly, it's because nobody cares about Russia anymore. Perhaps that's why they are behaving like children.
24 posted on 07/27/2007 4:07:55 AM PDT by mutley
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To: RusIvan; lizol; Tailgunner Joe; spanalot; Thunder90; ex-Texan
Is dictator Putin planning for war by the end of 2007 - or sooner?

Russia to deploy S-400 air defense systems around Moscow Aug.

25 posted on 07/27/2007 11:09:34 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: RusIvan; spanalot
Comminism theory which you imply was divised in Germany and England (check where Marx and Engels from) and was pushed on Russia by Civil war 1917-22.

Pushed on Russia by a civil war? You're not making any sense now. A "civil war", by definition, is a conflict fought by the factions of the same country. So, communism wasn't "pushed on" Russia, but came from within.

26 posted on 07/27/2007 8:49:46 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: RusIvan; mutley
Who deploys the new weaponry and bases in Europe? America provokes Russia. Russia should answer.

Get your head out of the sand, the missile shield is to protect Europe from Iran - not Russia.

27 posted on 07/27/2007 8:50:45 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: M. Espinola

The thing is that those systems have appeared all over the CIS/ ex Soviet states.


28 posted on 07/27/2007 10:47:09 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: BrooklynGOP

RusIvan is a revisionist who wants us to believe there were no Russians in Moscow in the 20’s and 30’s.


29 posted on 07/28/2007 6:23:22 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: RusIvan
Russia benefitted from USSR demise.

You might want to clue Cheka Putin in to this fact. He seems to think it was a catastrophe that caused Russians worse pain even than 80 years of communism.

30 posted on 07/28/2007 8:09:22 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RusIvan; spanalot; Tailgunner Joe; mutley
I accidentally sent a reply to RusIvan's post as private, here's his reply: Pushed on Russia by a civil war? You’re not making any sense now. A “civil war”, by definition, is a conflict fought by the factions of the same country.== Th ecountry was Russian Empire. The factions - the multinational Bolshevicks who were the mostly nonrussian citizens of RE. Opposite side: the nationalistic Russians and other anti-bolshevicks of the different nationalities of Empire..

Russians have got to be a weak bunch if they couldn't defeat this supposed group of "nonrussian citizens of RE". Besides, these people being citizens of the country have every right to be active in the state they live in. It were the russian tzars who annexed the lands were these non russian lived (ukraine, georgia, etc.).

31 posted on 07/30/2007 5:05:09 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: BrooklynGOP

“It were the russian tzars who annexed the lands were these non russian lived (ukraine, georgia, etc.).”

Good post but Ukrainians did not have a significant presence within the Bolshevic movement. They were fighting the Bolshevics and the White Russians simultaneously.


32 posted on 07/30/2007 5:18:01 PM PDT by spanalot
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