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The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 26, 2007 | Garry Kasparov

Posted on 07/26/2007 3:12:59 PM PDT by B-Chan

Edited on 07/26/2007 3:17:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

When Vladimir Putin took power in Russia in 2000, the burning question was: "Who is Putin?" It has now changed to: "What is the nature of Putin's Russia?" This regime has been remarkably consistent in its behavior, yet foreign leaders and the Western press still act surprised at Mr. Putin's total disregard for their opinions.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: crime; europe; putin; russia
Troubling thoughts from a Russian patriot.
1 posted on 07/26/2007 3:13:02 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
For later read.

Russia is starting to behave as it did before the Communist Revolution.

Which isn’t the best for the US.

2 posted on 07/26/2007 3:21:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

thanks.

i read this in the print edition this morning.

he’s got putin nailed.


3 posted on 07/26/2007 3:24:19 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: redgolum
Its more “corporate” now but its still a fascist state.
4 posted on 07/26/2007 4:46:44 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: B-Chan

5 posted on 07/26/2007 4:58:05 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is going fascist.

That’s all.


6 posted on 07/26/2007 5:00:09 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970

Fascist? I don’t think so. Full-blown fascism requires at its base a blood-and-soil cult and/or an ethnic ideology with religious or mystical overtones. That element exists in Russia, but Putin is not part of it, and (I would venture) probably considers it more of a potential problem than a source of power.

Ideology has never been the source of true power in Russia. Under the czars, rabble-rousing idea men often ended up in Siberia (or floating in the Neva); under Soviet rule, ideologues like Trotsky similarly tended to attract the attention of Great Stalin, and similarly ended up dead. Those who (like Putin) survived and prospered under the Soviet system had to be masters of Realpolitik. As a former KGB officer, Putin is therefore likely more Machiavelli than Mussolini.

In my view, Russia is less a fascist state than a kleptocracy — a nation ruled by gangsters. As long as that remains true, Putin and his cronies will likely talk big, but will keep from provoking their neighbors to the west too severely. After all, gangsters prefer to profit from intimidation rather than outright theft; violence tends to attract the attention of the cops, as well as cutting into the gang’s bottom line. As long as Putin & Co. can shake down the rest of Europe for needed capital and juicy business deals, they will.


7 posted on 07/26/2007 5:39:47 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
You are describing German Nazism. Italian fascism was not based on blood and soil mysticism. Fascism is simply a form of socialism in which the state does not abolish private property, but controls corporations for its own purposes. Putin's nationalization of energy resources for the purposes of using them as political blackmail weapons is fascist.

In addition, Putin is in fact part of the ethnic Russian nazi fascism and has launched state-backed krystalnacht style pogroms against the Georgians in Russia as well as other targeted ethnic minorities. He is also stirring up ethnic Russian nazism in the Russian diaspora, such as the Baltic states. This mirrors Hitler's demands on behalf of Sudeten Germans and others of the ethnic German diaspora.

8 posted on 07/26/2007 5:50:37 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You nailed it. They wear suits instead of black uniforms. That’s about it.
9 posted on 07/26/2007 6:11:39 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: B-Chan

OK - except Fascist Germany was run by corporate gangsters, chief among them Hermann Goering. Didn’t keep the Nazis from designing some absolutely superb weapons systems, though.

`Blood and Soil’? Nothing exclusively Teutonic about that:

“Wherever a Russian soldier plants his boot, that is sacred Russian soil forever.” - Lenin

Putin’s messages to the Ukrainians and the Balts:

“We just want you back. And we want you back right now.”


10 posted on 07/26/2007 6:44:49 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: B-Chan

Troubling thoughts from a Russian patriot.==

Russin patriot who? Arminian-jewish guy who was born in Baku, Azerbaidjan? He is truly alien in Russia like those illlegals who crawl over your mexican border.


11 posted on 07/27/2007 3:48:31 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In addition, Putin is in fact part of the ethnic Russian nazi fascism and has launched state-backed krystalnacht style pogroms against the Georgians in Russia as well as other targeted ethnic minorities.==

“state-backed krystalnacht style pogroms”. Lies.

He is also stirring up ethnic Russian nazism in the Russian diaspora, such as the Baltic states. ==

Lie again. Russians did never tell none that they are better then others. Russians in Baltic countries deprived form basical civil rights like citizenship and speaking their languge as even EU law accepts.


12 posted on 07/27/2007 3:51:43 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: B-Chan

As long as Putin & Co. can shake down the rest of Europe for needed capital and juicy business deals, they will.==

That is the true. Till they pay Putin will shake them down:).


13 posted on 07/27/2007 3:53:31 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan; B-Chan
Russin patriot who? Arminian-jewish guy who was born in Baku, Azerbaidjan?

Fascist, indeed! Kasparov is a russian citizen, that makes him russian. Tell me, was Pushkin a russian poet, or an African one?

14 posted on 07/27/2007 8:46:26 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: RusIvan

You’re the liar, kameraden. You tell the nazi big lie and deny your evil Chekist fuhrer’s crimes. You share in his guilt.


15 posted on 07/28/2007 8:12:04 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: BrooklynGOP

If you have the wrong blood, then you will not be accepted in the new nazi Russia.


16 posted on 07/28/2007 8:12:49 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: B-Chan

thanks, bfl


17 posted on 07/29/2007 2:39:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia is well on the way to returning to the days of the Soviet Union.


18 posted on 07/29/2007 9:30:19 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: BrooklynGOP

Fascist, indeed! Kasparov is a russian citizen, that makes him russian. ==

Tell me plz if I weer Israel citizen does it make me the jew? If so then those millions of arabs citizens of Israel are trully jews?:))))))

Kasparov is Rossianin mean the Russia’ citizen but by his ethnicity he is NOT no Russian.


19 posted on 07/30/2007 1:26:20 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The prsonal attcke will not add to your credibility. It just mean that you have no aurgumentation against my facts.


20 posted on 07/30/2007 1:27:25 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan
Tell me plz if I weer Israel citizen does it make me the jew? If so then those millions of arabs citizens of Israel are trully jews?:))))))

Uhm... You are not too bright The name of the country, as you yourself stated, is Israel. Hence, the arab citizens of Israel are Israelis. The name of the country I live in is United States of America, hence its citizens are americans. The name of the country you live in is Russia, hence, its citizens are referred to as russian.

Kasparov is Rossianin mean the Russia’ citizen but by his ethnicity he is NOT no Russian.

He's a russian citizen, everything else is irrelevant. Is there anyting in the russian constitution that differentiates between the rights of ethnic and non ethnic russians who are citizens of Russia? I guess Pushkin is not a russian poet then, cause he has african blood.

21 posted on 07/30/2007 4:55:43 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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The name of the country, as you yourself stated, is Israel. Hence, the arab citizens of Israel are Israelis.==

Tell it to them they will laghter you off:). They call themselves Arabs not jews not Israelies.

Is there anyting in the russian constitution that differentiates between the rights of ethnic and non ethnic russians who are citizens of Russia?==

Rights are same but the ethnicities are different. So Kasparov his real name is Kasparian are not Russian but Rossianin.

I guess Pushkin is not a russian poet then, cause he has african blood.==

Pushkin has the small part of teh african blood. But by his birth he is ethnic Russian. His parents were Russians.

Do not mix the ethnicity and the citizenship. I beleive you do not. No jew from Briton Beach I met in USA mixed that things. Only for sake of the discussion they may pretend that do not understand:)).


22 posted on 07/31/2007 12:43:57 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupe swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan
Tell it to them they will laghter you off:). They call themselves Arabs not jews not Israelies.

Right, they are israeli arabs. They don't deny this.

Rights are same but the ethnicities are different. So Kasparov his real name is Kasparian are not Russian but Rossianin.

Constitution wise there's no diference. Pushkin has the small part of teh african blood. But by his birth he is ethnic Russian. His parents were Russians.

Oh, so now you decide that there's an acceptable fracdtion of non russian blood?

Do not mix the ethnicity and the citizenship. I beleive you do not. No jew from Briton Beach I met in USA mixed that things. Only for sake of the discussion they may pretend that do not understand:)).

I highly doubt htat you have met many. Citizenship is citizneship. You are living in your communist dream where people had their ethnicity stamped on their passport. Wake up.

23 posted on 07/31/2007 8:58:18 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: BrooklynGOP

Oh, so now you decide that there’s an acceptable fracdtion of non russian blood?==

Dear dear:) Any fraction is acceptable. I just said about what makes us Russians, Jews, Arabs and so on. Definetely it is not our citizenship.
Kasparian may be have Russia’ citizenship but he still an Armenian Jew. It is nothing but he won’t be Russian president ever. He knows it.

By the way your ethnicity “stamped” in your birth certificate. So it is official.


24 posted on 08/01/2007 1:20:07 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: BrooklynGOP

Think about it:)..

25 posted on 08/01/2007 7:40:17 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: RusIvan
Kasparian may be have Russia’ citizenship but he still an Armenian Jew.

Glad you don't shy away from who you are. It is nothing but he won’t be Russian president ever. He knows it.

Is that what it says in the constitution or are you just declaring your feelings on the matter?

By the way your ethnicity “stamped” in your birth certificate. So it is official.

Oh, they still do that? For some reason I assumed they abolished that with the fall of USSR. Guess not. Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing, ofcourse. But you knew that.

26 posted on 08/02/2007 6:51:57 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: RusIvan
Kasparian may be have Russia’ citizenship but he still an Armenian Jew.

Glad you don't shy away from who you are. It is nothing but he won’t be Russian president ever. He knows it.

Is that what it says in the constitution or are you just declaring your feelings on the matter?

By the way your ethnicity “stamped” in your birth certificate. So it is official.

Oh, they still do that? For some reason I assumed they abolished that with the fall of USSR. Guess not. Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing, ofcourse. But you knew that.

27 posted on 08/02/2007 6:55:05 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: RusIvan; All

Don’t make me laugh. I am an american citizen and an american patriot. You claim loyalty to Russia, and yet your profile clearly states that you are a US citizen.

Think about it.


28 posted on 08/02/2007 7:13:23 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: RusIvan
Russian women are stunning, that's for sure.

I would love to visit St. Petersburg and, uh, visit the nice architecture.

29 posted on 08/02/2007 7:18:00 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: BrooklynGOP

You claim loyalty to Russia, and yet your profile clearly states that you are a US citizen==

Where? I’m the green card holder. After all I’m not anti-american I like America very much but I’m just against the prejudice of some uneducated people toward Russia.


30 posted on 08/03/2007 1:34:16 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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