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U.S. Outfitting B-2's with Monster Bunker Buster Bombs -- Iran May Be Target
NewsMax ^ | July 27, 2007 | NewsMax

Posted on 07/26/2007 6:52:46 PM PDT by kddid

The U.S. is retrofitting its B-2 Stealth bombers with massive bunker-buster bombs -- a move that could be a prelude to an attack on Iran and its nuclear facilities.

Iran has refused to comply with international demands that it stop its nuclear weapons programs.

Experts have noted that a U.S. or Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear program could be difficult due to the large number of installations -- some of which are buried deep underground in hardened bunkers.

In a recent NewsMax Magazine, Kenneth R. Timmerman's report "The Coming War with Iran: 6 Days of Hell" predicted the U.S. would outfit B-2's as a prelude to an attack on Iran. [Editor's Note: Get this special report "The Coming War with Iran: 6 Days of Hell" with our FREE offer -- Go Here Now]

Apparently the U.S. has big plans for Iran.

Northrop Grumman announced last week in a little noticed release that the company had begun integrating on the B-2's a new 30,000-pound-class "penetrator bomb" or bunker buster.

"The U.S. Air Force's B-2 Stealth bomber would be able to attack and destroy an expanded set of hardened, deeply buried military targets" using the monster bunker buster, the company said in its release.

The company is doing the work under a seven-month, $2.5 million contract awarded June 1 by the Air Force's Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.

Northrop Grumman is the Air Force's prime contractor on the B-2, the flagship of the nation's long-range strike arsenal.

The new Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), which is being developed by the Boeing Co., is a GPS-guided weapon containing more than 5,300 pounds of conventional explosives inside a 20.5-foot-long enclosure of hardened steel. It is designed to penetrate dirt, rock and reinforced concrete to reach enemy bunker or tunnel installations.

The B-2 is capable of carrying two MOPs, one in each weapons bay.

"This integration contract is part of Northrop Grumman's on-going effort to ensure that the B-2 remains capable of delivering a decisive blow to an increasingly sophisticated enemy," said Dave Mazur, vice president of long-range strike for the company's Integrated Systems sector.

"It is the first step in helping the Air Force make this new weapon available for operational use on the B-2."

According to Mazur, the Air Force is expected to make a decision later this year on whether to develop a limited operational capability for the MOP, or to proceed with a more comprehensive development program that would optimize the weapon's operational utility.

The current contract will focus on adapting the B-2's weapon bay fixtures to accommodate the new weapon.

The B-2 is currently equipped to carry up to 40,000 pounds of conventional ordnance.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: b2; bho44; bhoiran; bunkerbuster; congress; iran; iraniannukes; iraq; islam; israel; military; mop; newsmax; obama; threadnumber3; usaf
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To: LibWhacker

I still need someone to explain it to me. What, in God’s good name, is the advantage of sticking facilities underground?

Seal off the tunnels, and keep sealing off the tunnels, and the underground facility remains useless. WHAT am I missing here?


51 posted on 07/26/2007 8:55:53 PM PDT by bioqubit (bioqubit, conformity - such a common deformity)
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To: El Gato

“Actually many 10 or 100 KT nukes would be better. If they too were hardened bunker busters.”

Here’s what you need to know about the Trident Mk II:

“8 W88 300-475 kiloton MIRVs in a solid-fuel Mk 5 PBV”

That’s from globalsecurity.org...


52 posted on 07/26/2007 8:56:54 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: kddid

Just shipped here by JimRob himself because we were lurking on a duplicate thread. Hey, everybody! [/Dr. Nick Rivera]


53 posted on 07/26/2007 9:00:47 PM PDT by notbackingdown
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To: kddid
Re: The B-p>

I checked the original Northrop Grumman Press Release at http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=123187 and it says this and also mentions the B-2’s combat load is 40,000 pounds, so I wonder about the conflict this makes...

Yet I trust if anyone can figure out a way to put 60,000 pounds of whipass into a 40,000 pound sack, it would be Northrop Grumman!

BTW Yesterday I discovered Northrop Grumman has opened an officer here in my small town of Corsicana some 56 miles south of Dallas deep in the heart of Texas.

I wish to welcome them here!

54 posted on 07/26/2007 9:07:25 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: ASA Vet
100 megaton nukes?

Well.....I gotta give the guy an A for overkill but a D for technology.

Read on.

Even the most carefully designed underground facility has air vents.
55 posted on 07/26/2007 9:09:21 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: All
Opps... should read:

Re: The B-2 is capable of carrying two MOPs, one in each weapons bay.

I checked the original Northrop Grumman Press Release at http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=123187 and it says this and also mentions the B-2’s combat load is 40,000 pounds, so I wonder about the conflict this makes...

Yet I trust if anyone can figure out a way to put 60,000 pounds of whipass into a 40,000 pound sack, it would be Northrop Grumman!

BTW Yesterday I discovered Northrop Grumman has opened an officer here in my small town of Corsicana some 56 miles south of Dallas deep in the heart of Texas.

I wish to welcome them here!

56 posted on 07/26/2007 9:11:02 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: Bender2

“I checked the original Northrop Grumman Press Release at http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=123187 and it says this and also mentions the B-2’s combat load is 40,000 pounds, so I wonder about the conflict this makes...

Yet I trust if anyone can figure out a way to put 60,000 pounds of whipass into a 40,000 pound sack, it would be Northrop Grumman!”

I’m pretty sure there were significant safety margins inherent in the B-2’s design. Still, these must be sphincter clenching changes for the pilots...heroes all.


57 posted on 07/26/2007 9:13:05 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: edcoil

Actually, a notice of this sort can bring folks like this to the table and prevent the need to use the things at all.

That loud squeaking sound you may have heard recently was Mahmoud’s anal sphincter drawing tighter than it was thought humanly possible to draw one.


58 posted on 07/26/2007 9:14:18 PM PDT by Dick Bachert ("The urge to save humanity is often a false front for the urge to rule." Mencken)
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To: Dick Bachert

“That loud squeaking sound you may have heard recently was Mahmoud’s anal sphincter drawing tighter than it was thought humanly possible to draw one.”

Yah. In reference to my post above, any sphincter clenching by our pilots is sure to be reciprocated by the Iranians tenfold. lol


59 posted on 07/26/2007 9:18:02 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: boomop1
Why waste all that bomb bay space, put a few 100 mega ton nukes in there and be sure you get what you're after.

Nukes are too scary for too many voters.

Too many politicians love their jobs more than they love our country. They won't have the spine to use nukes until we've lost millions to one ourselves.

I mean that.

Chamerlain wasn't the only fool in denial at exactly the wrong time.

60 posted on 07/26/2007 9:18:21 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: El Gato
Re:

Where did you get this photo and the source that it is one of the 30,000 20.5 feet long MOP as it certainly does not look to be either 20.5 feet long nor large enough to be 30,000 pounds...

Here is a 21,600-pound MOAB... and it is bigger (It is 30 feet long with a diameter of 40.5 inches) than the one you have pictured.

61 posted on 07/26/2007 9:26:11 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: Dick Bachert
So tight that you couldn't pull a 12 penny nail out using a backhoe...............

:}

62 posted on 07/26/2007 9:30:14 PM PDT by AwesomePossum
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To: ASA Vet
We don't have any [100 mt nukes] and never did.

In 1961, the Soviets came within a factor of two, with a 58-megaton bomb. It was supposed to yield 100 megatons, but they decided to replace the U-238 tamper with lead, in the interest of reducing fallout, which was already becoming a world opinion issue. In the event, 97% of its yield was from fusion, and it produced very light fallout, having exploded at an altitude of 13,000 feet.

Tsar Bomba Video

63 posted on 07/26/2007 9:32:27 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: MaxMax

“How long until Iran begins building schools over those nuclear bunkers?”

Easy answer:

Call ‘em ‘madrasses’(schools for Islamic terrorist teachings), then do the following.
1. Make sure the President and Joint Chiefs clearly identify both the school buildings, and the location of said buildings.
2. Tell the public what lurks below said buildings.
3. Show translations of the hate filled Islamic curriculum.

When Joe Six-pack realizes what the Islamics are doing, he will demand action.

We can learn to enjoy the ‘collateral damage’ because it means fewer Jihadii whacko cases to have to kill later.


64 posted on 07/26/2007 9:41:25 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: jaz.357
"With GPS, can we launch somthing from Kansas that will do the same thing?"

Keep those underground. There are six big ones on the shelf inside each payload. They know where to go without GPS. Use the SM-3s from subs. They have 20 each.

I saw one of those Kansas silos from the outside only. From a helicopter. I was told the work space is very deep with blast doors. I didn't have a reason to know more.

65 posted on 07/26/2007 10:26:34 PM PDT by BobS
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To: PreciousLiberty
Still, these must be sphincter clenching changes for the pilots...heroes all.

My dad was a SeaBee in the Pacific in WWII and told me the planes were so heavily loaded down with bombs that at the end of the runways you would see tail sections pointing up at the end of the runways more than a few times. They really pushed the envelope, that's how they won.

Nam Vet

66 posted on 07/26/2007 10:49:31 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Timely reporting from Attila's right flank)
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To: kddid

It’s a start.

I doubt we have the guts to execute though.


67 posted on 07/26/2007 10:55:24 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Nam Vet

The Germans flew planes that had no landing gear. They were flying coffins. A last desperate attempt to win.

We are not desperate to win this war...yet.


68 posted on 07/26/2007 10:56:33 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Nam Vet

If you release 60,000 lbs. all at once, you are going to boiiiinnnggg the carrier plane up past the space station.


69 posted on 07/26/2007 10:56:40 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Calpernia; FARS; Founding Father; milford421; DAVEY CROCKETT; CarolinaGOP

Ping.


70 posted on 07/26/2007 11:02:01 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"If we hit Iran it is just going to do wonders for my crappy, dim induced, pi$$ed off attitude."

Mine too. 30,000 Lbs from 20,000 ft? That'll make a dent. Hell, maybe it will set off a fault line and Tehran will fall down at the same time...

71 posted on 07/26/2007 11:57:55 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Don Carlos
"At 30,000 pounds, these things would penetrate so far before exploding that the school marm’s burqua probably wouldn’t even flap!"

Don't need explosives with that kind of weight at velocity. The kinetic energy alone will make quite the crater. Most likely they are guided depleted uranium reinforced concrete.

72 posted on 07/27/2007 12:06:23 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: El Gato
"This thing is probably about the size a modern 100 MT nuke would be, if we had any.

Not even close. A 100 MT nuke is much smaller.

This 30,000 lb thing is a flying hunk of concrete. The reason they work so good, is that they re dropped from Max altitude so kinetic energy is the force of the bomb.
It's like a 30,000 lb comet hitting the earth. No explosive needed! We dropped all kinds of concrete on Iraq.
Smaller ones are called 'low collateral damage bombs', also contain no explosives.

Want nuke specs?
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/index.html

Enjoy

73 posted on 07/27/2007 12:15:13 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Bender2

A Moab is just an improved daisy cutter. it’s an FA type bomb that disperses above ground then explodes. It’ll knock tanks over a mile away, but it won’t even make a crater.


74 posted on 07/27/2007 12:21:51 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: cynwoody
The Bassoon device fired in Zuni was the first test ever of a three stage thermonuclear design. Surprisingly, this substantial innovation was also the first successful thermonuclear device design ever fired by Lawrence Livermore (then known as UCRL, now LLNL). The configuration fired in this test was a "clean" (low fallout) version that used a lead tamper around the thermonuclear third stage. Only 15% of the energy yield was from fission. A "dirty" version of this design, the Bassoon Prime device, was later fired in Redwing Tewa. The predicted yield for Zuni was 2-3 Mt.

The Bassoon device was 39 inches in diameter, and 135.5 inches long. It weighed 12,158 lb. Crater dimensions were 2330 feet wide, 113 feet deep.

This design was later developed into the Mk-41 bomb, the highest yield (25 Mt) weapon ever deployed by the U.S.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Redwing.html

75 posted on 07/27/2007 12:43:37 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: badpacifist
They already have.
76 posted on 07/27/2007 3:49:18 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: PreciousLiberty

Yep.

LLS


77 posted on 07/27/2007 4:09:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“Mine too. 30,000 Lbs from 20,000 ft? That’ll make a dent. Hell, maybe it will set off a fault line and Tehran will fall down at the same time...”

It’ll be more like from 55,000 feet. From what I understand it’s likely both weapons will be dropped at once. One (at least) will be rocket boosted to hit faster, i.e. well into supersonic speeds, for deeper penetration. The second device should land in the same hole, with the result you’d expect.

An interesting point with these precision guided weapons is that if the hole isn’t deep enough at that point, we can just drop a few more exactly in the same spot. ;-)


78 posted on 07/27/2007 4:13:37 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Nathan Zachary
When our boys look towards iran from Iraq... I want them to see the glow and think, "BBQ'd mullah"!.

LLS

79 posted on 07/27/2007 4:14:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“A Moab is just an improved daisy cutter. it’s an FA type bomb that disperses above ground then explodes. It’ll knock tanks over a mile away, but it won’t even make a crater.”

MOAB is FA? I thought it was just a bunch of conventional explosive...

You’re right though, it’s not designed to be a penetrator.


80 posted on 07/27/2007 4:16:41 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Nathan Zachary

“Don’t need explosives with that kind of weight at velocity. The kinetic energy alone will make quite the crater. Most likely they are guided depleted uranium reinforced concrete.”

Nope. Do a Google search on “MOP penetrator testing”.

The MOP is made from a used howitzer barrel, and is roughly 25,000 lb. of casing along with 5,000 lb. of explosive. Apparently it needed to be that big to couple with the tunnel structure for max damage when the explosive goes off.

The kinetic energy is to penetrate, the explosive is to destroy whatever got penetrated. ;-)


81 posted on 07/27/2007 4:20:01 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: ASA Vet

I added an extra zero just for effect.


82 posted on 07/27/2007 5:33:26 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: kddid
U.S. Outfitting B-2's with Monster Bunker Buster Bombs -- Iran May Be Target (my emphasis)

Either that or Dearborn ;-)

83 posted on 07/27/2007 5:44:51 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Re: A Moab is just an improved daisy cutter.

True... Film at 11!

But the disparity of the two's dimensions was my point... that you evidently did not get.

Thus, we recap:

Re:

Where did you get this photo and the source that it is one of the 30,000 20.5 feet long MOP as it certainly does not look to be either 20.5 feet long nor large enough to be 30,000 pounds...

Here is a 21,600-pound MOAB... and it is bigger (It is 30 feet long with a diameter of 40.5 inches) than the one you have pictured.

Now, Nathan... you got it?

84 posted on 07/27/2007 6:04:17 AM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: badpacifist

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868913/posts


85 posted on 07/27/2007 11:35:58 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: bioqubit

Good point! Never thought of it quite like that before. Can we always identify an entrance or exit point from the air (or from orbit)?


86 posted on 07/27/2007 5:50:16 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Nathan Zachary
Not even close. A 100 MT nuke is much smaller.

Since we don't have any, and never did, how would you know?

The largest bomb ever dropped, although not an operational wepons, but rather a test device, was the Soviet Tsar Bomba of 1961, it did have yield of around 100 MT, but was much larger and quite a bit heavier than this bomb.

The largest yield US weapon was the B/MK-41 deployed '61 to '76. It had a 25 MT yield and weighed 10,670 lbs. It was close to the same size, not weight, as the MOP.

This is a photo of the test version, I used it because it has people in the photo for referance.

Since it weighed 10,000 lbs and only yield 25MT. I suspect a 100 MT bomb could be built that would be about the 30,000 lbs of the MOP.

Or did you mean a 100 KT weapon, which indeed can be be very small.

this 30,000 lb thing is a flying hunk of concrete

Not really, most of the weight is not explosive, just as with most "iron bombs", but has 5,300 lbs of explosive filler too. The thing also has to survive the penetration so it can explode, thus it needs a massive structure, which is heavy. The weight also helps the penetration of course.

87 posted on 07/28/2007 3:15:03 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Dick Bachert

calling cowards is easy. Use them and after its over, their grandchildren will know not to mess with anyone.

In the ME, isn’t that the point.


88 posted on 07/30/2007 9:02:34 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kddid

Considering a potential bombing of Iran, leave no Iranian stone unturned.


89 posted on 06/26/2009 7:02:34 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
The company is doing the work under a seven-month, $2.5 million contract awarded June 1 by the Air Force's Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.
North Korea, not Iran. Never a Muzzie state, not this "president".
90 posted on 06/26/2009 7:28:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

That makes more sense ...and the threat is more immediate.


91 posted on 06/26/2009 11:38:02 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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