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Minnesota Overreacts to Mortgage Abuse (Oops, I Think the Baby Was in That Bucket)
Lending Clarity (mortgage industry website) ^ | 07/25/2007

Posted on 07/27/2007 7:34:04 PM PDT by RockinRight

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To: Prokopton

Cheat is such a harsh word. Some of us have aggressive right off policies though. They wrote the rules, we just abide by them. (How many ft^2 is that home office again?)

It’s not like right offs aren’t subject to review in an audit. Being self-employed does bring tax advantages and disadvantages.


21 posted on 07/27/2007 8:04:31 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Prokopton

Well, it’s a good argument in favor of the FairTax...


22 posted on 07/27/2007 8:04:43 PM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: Dinsdale

I’m in this business.

I educate people enough that even if they don’t use me in the future, they’ll remember what I taught them.


23 posted on 07/27/2007 8:05:41 PM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: SaxxonWoods

It’ll crash.


24 posted on 07/27/2007 8:06:00 PM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson once set fire to a crowd of liberals simply by smoking a cigar and looking upon them)
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To: RockinRight

Not really, the complications in the tax code are mostly about figuring out what net income is. You can’t tax a small business on gross, so that complication will continue.


25 posted on 07/27/2007 8:06:24 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: RockinRight

Very early in my carrier I used computers to count beans for a regional loan originator.

I saw the week over week sales reports.

We fluctuated our commission structure based on market conditions and sometimes the execs gut instinct. We had price of money exposure during locks and origination. The big cheeses got daily reports from which they were supposed to hedge. They didn’t and got crushed (like the legendary commodity trader at ‘Barron’s Bank’ but much smaller.) They would have gotten themselves very big bonuses had the market moved the other way. Not their money. Place went belly up.

Anyhow, most brokers steer customers into the highest commission loans, not necessarily the best loans for them.

If you are as you say then being a legal agent for the borrower wouldn’t change the way you do business much.

IMHO always ‘Trust but Verify’.


26 posted on 07/27/2007 8:19:59 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Dinsdale
You can’t tax a small business on gross, so that complication will continue.

Come to the People's Republic of Washington... We have a B&O tax which is a tax on GROSS receipts. It's 0.5% on manufacturing and sales. And it's 3 times as high for a service industry as for a manufacturing industry, meaning as a consultant I pay 1.5% tax on every dollar brought in, regardless of whether or not I actually make a profit.

When I got my refi mortgage, my brother in law was my broker. He did a great job, got me an extremely low rate. But because I was self employed and my income was all over the map (on tax returns, too), I had no choice but to do a stated income loan; having a tax return history of net income of $80K, $12K, $65K, and $9K for the previous 4 years was too chaotic. Never mind the taxable income was driven by business purchases and deductions, and cash flow was always great...

Minnesota just put a lot of self-employed people off the home buyer's rolls. Self-employed/small businesses just have a chaotic net income. That truck my neighbor the plumber just bought took his annual net income down to near-nothing. It is a legitimate business expense. But purchasing it for cash pretty much will wipe out most of his gross income this year, in terms of taxes. Which is one of the benefits of being self-employed. But this change would make it impossible for him to buy a house, never mind he lives a very high-middle-class/low-upper-class lifestyle.

27 posted on 07/27/2007 8:25:59 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Tagline: Kinda like a chorus line but without the legs)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I’m in more or less the same boat (minus the tax on gross).

My remaining mortgage is almost gone though. Got that while I was still a sucker working crazy hours on salary.


28 posted on 07/27/2007 8:29:45 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: RockinRight
Ever met anyone self-employed who wrote off everything from dog food to toilet paper?

Actually yes, I worked for 2 small businesses and the owners of said businesses did exactly that.

The issue of self-employed individuals getting loans has always been complex. However, such people do get loans, and have gotten loans even before these "creative" mortgages came into existence.

29 posted on 07/27/2007 8:31:02 PM PDT by pnh102
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To: RockinRight

>Well, I’m exaggerating about dog food and toilet paper, but I haven’t met many people that will forego a legitimate write-off.<

Mo you’re not. Cattle ranchers write off the cost of their dogs because the dogs are a necessary tool. Anyone with an indoor office would write off the cleaning materials for the building and that includes toilet paper.

I have never once knowingly made a donation to the IRS that they didn’t have legal claim to.


30 posted on 07/27/2007 8:38:46 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: Prokopton

Self Employed people are allowed to right off most expenses off there taxes! Its written in the tax code!


31 posted on 07/27/2007 9:01:06 PM PDT by bcorbett
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To: RockinRight

The first part in bunk. BANK STATEMENTS suffice, therefore people who are self-employed, receiving alimony, etc. can show what they’ve been depositing. But unfortunately, it does not cut illegals out, since many of them have bank accounts.

As for “Minnesota’s bill also bans all negative amortization loans”, I sure hope they didn’t wipe out reverse mortgages with that provision. They are often critical to elderly retired people remaining in their homes with a decent standard of living, but they do indeed technically constitute “negative amortization loans”, because the homeowner is receiving regular loans secured by the value of the house, while their equity in the house is being gradually reduced.


32 posted on 07/27/2007 9:02:47 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: stylin19a

Nope, see my post #32.


33 posted on 07/27/2007 9:03:40 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: bcorbett; Dinsdale
Self Employed people are allowed to right off most expenses off there taxes! Its written in the tax code!

I didn't say, or mean, that they take advantage of legal write-offs. They cheat. They don't report accurately what their actual income is. Most of them deal in a lot of cash transactions and some are reported, some aren't. Their personal vehicles are always claimed as a business expense whether being used for business or not, etc. A simple review of their lifestyles would show that they don't report enough income to live like they do. The unreported, so called underground economy is huge.

34 posted on 07/27/2007 9:16:14 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

You may not realize this but the IRS allows for this to happen.This is why the tax codes sway several ways on the same subject matter. I guarantee you and all of us can be looked at as a tax cheater.


35 posted on 07/27/2007 9:27:49 PM PDT by bcorbett
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To: Prokopton

I didn’t do it, nobody saw me do it, can’t prove anything!


36 posted on 07/27/2007 9:31:25 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Prokopton

“The unreported, so called underground economy is huge.”
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“No tax for cash?” is a question that often brings a positive answer.


37 posted on 07/27/2007 9:40:59 PM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger?????)
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To: Prokopton

Most of them consider themselves conservative and decry criminals.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Richard Nixon (of all people) once said that people cannot pick and choose which laws to obey. The truth is that we all do it either knowingly or unknowingly because it is impossible to be totally law-abiding in the morass of current law. The biggest lawbreaker is the government itself! The majority of government activity today is in violation of the constitution. Many scholars have concluded that the income tax itself is a violation, at best it is a very bad idea!


38 posted on 07/28/2007 6:12:59 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Dinsdale

Yes you can tax a business on gross income -—————>

if your business happens to be in wild wonderful West Virginia.


39 posted on 07/28/2007 6:36:07 AM PDT by buckalfa
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To: RockinRight

Why didn’t they pass this law ten years ago? With the current state of the market such a law isn’t necessary and will only make things worse.


40 posted on 07/28/2007 6:40:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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