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Don't Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane
July 28, 2007 | do the dhue

Posted on 07/28/2007 2:58:41 PM PDT by do the dhue

"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!" - General Giap, North Vietnam (memoirs)

Our fighting men in Vietnam took back the ground the NVA took during Tet. Before the Tet dust was even settled, people like Kronkite and Hanoi Jane convinced the American people the US Embassy in South Vietnam had been over run and it was time for us to run. As a matter of fact, a wall was breached. I believe a few Marines on the roof shot the leader and the rest turn tail and fled. But to Kronkite and the rest of the news media the Embassy had been over run.

Read the words of General Gaip. Once the North Vietnamise saw what our media was doing, they said hang on one more day, one week, one more month. Their Army was defeated but the media still gave the enemy resolve. Now, let's look at the resolve of Scary Reid and other demortic leaders.

Reid has no resolve. He thinks the war is lost. Gaip had his Army destroyed and he still had resolve. Reid has the greatest Army in the history of the world and he thinks the war is lost. The leaders of the demoratic party must understand that we live in a nuclear age. We can not wait for the enemy to bring the war to us. We must bring the war to them.

The media and the demoratic leaders must understand that the stakes are higher then they were in Vietnam. They say the war is going bad. Well, we were in WWII for four years and we lost 290,000. We have been in Iraq for four years and we lost 3,500 people. I am damn proud of my Troops. They are in the heart of the Middle East. A place that burns my flag and hates my guts. They are hunting and killing Al Qeada over there. We are taking the war to our enemy. Thank God for our Troops.

I can not thank God for the leaders in the demoratic Party though. More like, thank Satan. The rats say I was optimistic 2 years ago, so we need to pull out. Your dang right I was optimistic. I am still optimistic. I see that we have rebuilt infrastructure, there is a Iraqi Stock Market, I have heard of good reports in regards to the reflection of the Iraqi economy. I have heard that over 300,000 Iraqi Troops have been trained. I have heard the Police force is growing. I have heard that tribal leaders are working with the Iraqi Army and Police. Tough times don't last. Tough people do. We will help the Iraqi people stand for them self in times of trouble. We have to.

Pull out pf Iraq to early and what happens next will be on the liberals. Not on me. I hear there is some scuffling going on in Southern Iraq now. Well, I believe the British have pulled out or have begun to pull out of Southern Iraq. They may have left to early. We don't need to be listening to our media and treasonous politicians. I think Gaip was a right. I think we should listen to his words.

If Gaip is right, then resolve at home is mighty important. Resolve can win or lose wars people. If thge rats support our Troops, then they support victory. Our Troops are not fighting to lose. The rats need some resolve and they need to support the mission. Tight now, we need that Defense bill passed and I do mean now. And we don't need any crazy Amendments to it that effect the execution of the war.

I want to ask the demorats this:

When was the last time you heard anyone in your party say "we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival of liberty"?

- JFK

I don't hear that from the likes of Hanoi Jane. If she had it her way, she would change her name to Jihad Jane. I stood with a bunch of Vietnam Vets on March 17th at the Gathering of eagles in DC. I heard a lot of them say that they did not want Hanoi Jane to do to our Troops what she had done to them in Vietnam. I stand firmly with these people. And I say Don't Let Hanoi Jane turn into Jihad Jane. I will be in DC on September 15, 2007 at the Gathering of Eagles. I have resolve. I wish liberals recognized the importance of resolve. (I think they do and that is why they act the way they do. They really want us to lose.)

Thanks for listening,
do the dhue


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1 posted on 07/28/2007 2:58:50 PM PDT by do the dhue
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To: do the dhue; ALOHA RONNIE

I don’t think that Jane Fonda has the credibility to lose the Iraq War. But the book is a searing indictment of the news Media during that time.


2 posted on 07/28/2007 3:13:01 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Open borders and outsourcing are opposite sides of the same coin)
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To: do the dhue

The MSM seems bound and determined to cheat us out of another victory.


3 posted on 07/28/2007 3:17:16 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think she helped. She definitely did not do it single handedly. Only Kronkite could be considered as one who could do it single handed. Even then, he still had help.


4 posted on 07/28/2007 3:19:48 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: ConorMacNessa

We the people need to recognize it show the media some resolve.


5 posted on 07/28/2007 3:20:18 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

I was there on March 17th with my Vietnam Veteran and military retiree father who is 100% disabled. I saw him greet other men as brothers who he had never met before but shared a common experience of the Vietnam War. I heard and saw men and woman singing the National Anthem who have shed blood for this country to preserve her freedoms and integrity. And to a person I heard “This will not stand!!” we will not allow what happened to us happen to our soldier on the field of battle in Iraq.

We must stand up against our own media, the naysayers and the folks who would sell out our country to the jihadi’s.

My son is a Navy Corpsman with service in Afghanistan and Iraq in his resume. The rule in our house has always been “If you mess up you have to deal with me, If someone messes with you THEY have to deal with me”. Well it is incumbent on me to fight for my son and his brothers and sisters in uniform.

The media and the Jihad Janes and their worthless ilk must not allowed to denigrate the service of our men and woman in uniform.

AND I WILL FIGHT THEM IN EVERY WAY I CAN

We cannot allow what happened before to happen again


6 posted on 07/28/2007 3:23:07 PM PDT by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Thank you for your service in Vietnam. My family and I have a lot of respect for all of you. I was a little kid during Nam, but I know my entire family would have kicked the crap out of someone who spit on our Troops back then. So, I want you to know that there were folks who supported you and still do.


7 posted on 07/28/2007 3:25:04 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

Maybe if Jane does start a Jihad she would blow herself up!

Go for it Jane! Just don’t kill other people while doing it.


8 posted on 07/28/2007 3:25:05 PM PDT by RatsDawg
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To: do the dhue

I think Kronkite is a contraction of Krankheit, which IIRC means ‘sickness’ in German. How appropriate!


9 posted on 07/28/2007 3:25:15 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: do the dhue

Thanks, do the dhue!


10 posted on 07/28/2007 3:26:57 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: do the dhue
This war already has so many Jihad Janes that the skag hanoi-jane would never even be noticed.


11 posted on 07/28/2007 3:27:06 PM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: do the dhue

It’s too bad we live in a post-treason era. This era began, at the latest, when JF was not tried and executed for treason.


12 posted on 07/28/2007 3:29:19 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Leofl

“Standing up to our own media” We can all play a role in this! Don’t buy thier papers, don’t watch thier channels or programs, and most importantly don’t buy from thier sponsors! If you hit them where it hurts, in thier pocket you can have a great effect! remember “WE THE PEOPLE”


13 posted on 07/28/2007 3:30:04 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: Leofl

Thanks for your service to our great country. Wish I could shake your hand.


14 posted on 07/28/2007 3:32:09 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats are killing our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: ConorMacNessa
This time we have a good chance to take the worst of the MSM and put them on the street, unemployed, disliked, ignored, forgotten and eternally drunk.

As the Internet grows and matures we will have the ability to remove any of them at any time.

15 posted on 07/28/2007 3:33:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RatsDawg

LOL


16 posted on 07/28/2007 3:33:35 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: expatpat

That is appropriate


17 posted on 07/28/2007 3:34:04 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: muawiyah

I certainly hope so, muawiyah!


18 posted on 07/28/2007 3:34:47 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: do the dhue

I can still very well remember hearing those B-52 strikes
on Hanoi,you could hear them all nite long in Quang Tri
in `71.

The leftist are the same today as then,maybe even more
evil today.

Hell,back then our enemy didn`t want to kill us all.Today
with an enemy that does the MSM & Dims still want us to
surrender.


19 posted on 07/28/2007 3:35:42 PM PDT by 31M20RedDevil (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: Leofl
You want fight the battle alone. I am here to stand a Post. Matter of fact. I have taken up that post some time ago. I have not watched or listened to liberal psycho babble since the early 90s.

I am telling you, when I stood amongst all those Vietnam Vets, I felt like I was with the greatest group of people since the signing of the Declaration. Real Americans. It was awesome. Thank your son for me. And thank you.

May God Bless you and yours.

20 posted on 07/28/2007 3:40:18 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

Thanks to Walter Cronkite ... he came out that we lost TET (BMT) on the news ...we were defeated by our own government and the MSM ... now they want to do it again .....


21 posted on 07/28/2007 3:41:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("If builders built airplanes the way FAA writes FARs then the first pilot would have been a woman")
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To: do the dhue

5 Million SE Asian Murders thanks to Jane & John.

Pray for W and Our Troops


22 posted on 07/28/2007 3:43:08 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: 31M20RedDevil
Hell,back then our enemy didn`t want to kill us all.Today with an enemy that does the MSM & Dims still want us to surrender.

Truly amazing. I think this might say it all:
And they still don't get it. Folks like Peloser running over to Syria:


It is treason and I will call it treason. If they don't like it, they shouldn't give me a reason to say it.

Thank you for your service. It is greatly appreciated.

23 posted on 07/28/2007 3:44:44 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: bray

I pray every day.


24 posted on 07/28/2007 3:45:08 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Jane’s fifteen minutes were used up on Cat Ballou and Barbarella. Anything else is just weeing in the wind.


25 posted on 07/28/2007 3:48:05 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: SkyDancer
I got ammo in this keyboard. They say the pen is mightier then the sword. Well, that should make my keyboard a M203 grenade launcher. I will fight. Maybe, the Internet can get news out faster.

Like if something like Tet accord with the invention of the Internet. Folks could get the news out quicker and put an end to slander easier. Maybe, the Embassy gets a message out to the world that they had not been overrun and Kronkite goes down.

maybe?

26 posted on 07/28/2007 3:48:46 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: muawiyah

“unemployed, disliked, ignored, forgotten, and eternally drunk”

That’s how the MSM and Hollywood characterized Vietnam veterans for years and years! And so I too wish the same fate upon them.

):^(


27 posted on 07/28/2007 3:51:00 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: expatpat

Krankheit is either a headache or a pain in the @$$. My German has been better.


28 posted on 07/28/2007 3:51:26 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: do the dhue

Well since Walter Crankcase is no longer in the MSM as a reporter it’s moot but there were/are other’s that fill his shoes ....


29 posted on 07/28/2007 4:02:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("If builders built airplanes the way FAA writes FARs then the first pilot would have been a woman")
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To: do the dhue
“Reid has no resolve. He thinks the war is lost.”

That’s far, far too kind to Reid. He’s really afraid that we’re winning, which will mean that he’ll personally lose.

Reid’s a traitor that puts his political ambition ahead of his concern for the interests of America. A true scumbag.

30 posted on 07/28/2007 4:14:46 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: do the dhue; ASA Vet; Grampa Dave; ALOHA RONNIE; SandRat; kabar


Giap's armies lost the '72 Easter Offensive and was rewarded by making the cover of Time



Giap does not try to conceal that the success of the final North Vietnamese advance to victory depended on the U.S. departure in 1975 and on the politically crippled position of President Richard M. Nixon. He also reveals the worry that surrounded the possibility of subsequent American reintervention in response to North Vietnamese offensive moves.


31 posted on 07/28/2007 4:16:36 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: vetsvette

you make a true statement.


32 posted on 07/28/2007 4:32:41 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: BIGLOOK
Tonk would be proud of you. Nailing Jane Fondue and Kreepy Keery with the REDS own words now permit me to add one more piece


33 posted on 07/28/2007 4:34:18 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: BIGLOOK

I have heard and seen that Giap quote many times. Does anyone know if this is really what is written in the book? Or is a ready for snopes.com story?


34 posted on 07/28/2007 4:37:38 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: BIGLOOK

The American people need to learn from this.


35 posted on 07/28/2007 4:41:14 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: All; BIGLOOK

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Communist North Vietnam’s first plan to cut Free South Vietnam in half at the Central Highlands and then make a run for the Capitol City of Saigon and victory...

...was STOPPED cold by our U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment in the Valley of Death known as the IA DRANG Valley of November 1965.

http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48215

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752

.

Years later...

WALTER CRONKITE undercut our heroic efforts by calling America’s TET Offensive victory a defeat on National TV.

Then after Sen. TED KENNEDY pushed a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress into cutting off all our fundng for the then Free South Vietnamese to fight for their own Freedom with so very sadly came:

Pictures of a vietnamse Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

.

DEJA VU now, perhaps..?

.


36 posted on 07/28/2007 4:52:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: SandRat
I ought to pick up that book soon, Sandy. The people in it are the same people (and their surrogates) who dissented and opposed the VN conflict, later to be rewarded with fame and power for walking on our dead and the Viet Namese we left behind.

After VN, back in school, I ran into a lot of 'em. They preached 'Moral Courage' to support their position against the war.


I answered back simply; I didn't have the 'Moral Courage' to run away.
37 posted on 07/28/2007 4:58:03 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thank you for your great service to our Country. I said it before, it is greatly appreciated from the bottom of my heart on this thread, and I mean it too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OeI-84t7R-M&mode=related&search=

God Bless all of our Troops.

38 posted on 07/28/2007 5:02:02 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: Right Wing Assault; BIGLOOK
Possible snopes material. Consider:

Ed Moise has already tackled this one [in a review of] Vo Nguyen Giap and Van Tien Dung, How We Won the War. Philadelphia: Recon Publications, 1976. 63 pp.

This book has been the subject of several unfounded rumors on the Internet. The first one began in the late 1990s. Supposedly, General Giap had written in How We Won the War that in the aftermath of the Tet Offensive of 1968, the Communist leaders in Vietnam had been ready to abandon the war, but that a broadcast by Walter Cronkite, declaring the Tet Offensive a Communist victory, persuaded them to change their minds and fight on. This rumor was entirely false. Giap had not mentioned Cronkite, and had not said the Communists had ever considered giving up on the war.

Several variants of this rumor appeared in 2004. In these, Giap is supposed to have credited either the American anti-war movement in general, or John Kerry's organization (Vietnam Veterans Against the War) in particular, for persuading the Communist leaders to change their minds and not give up on the war. Giap is sometimes said to have made this statement in How We Won the War, sometimes in an unnamed 1985 memoir. All versions of the rumor are false. Neither in How We Won the War, nor in any other book (the 1985 memoir is entirely imaginary), has Giap mentioned Kerry or Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or said that the Communist leaders had ever considered giving up on the war."

http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/16/2004/10/#8232

Of course, even if the Giap quotes are bogus it takes nothing away from the main point: the media helped pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

39 posted on 07/28/2007 5:02:43 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: BIGLOOK
I didn't have the 'Moral Courage' to run away.

Thank you for standing your post.

40 posted on 07/28/2007 5:03:09 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: Veeram; rlmorel

ping


41 posted on 07/28/2007 5:03:15 PM PDT by Veeram ("Any fool (Liberal) can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." ---Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BIGLOOK

The villians in the book are far more than are on the cover. You’ll be shocked at what you’ll learn.


42 posted on 07/28/2007 5:04:21 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: vetsvette
Reid was elected to the Senate to stop the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste depository.

However, that's only one of the reasons the guy is totally ignorant of what the United States is about.

Personally, I think when this is over we have to have 100 times as much space at Yucca ~ maybe build nukes in the Reno suburbs too.

43 posted on 07/28/2007 5:25:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: do the dhue


44 posted on 07/28/2007 5:30:05 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

NEVER FORGET

45 posted on 07/28/2007 5:33:57 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for you service.


46 posted on 07/28/2007 5:45:25 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SET 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: do the dhue

Fonda is an enabler of evil. She is drenched with the blood of millions of victims of Communist oppression. Wherever they go, Reds leave a trail of human blood. She should be buried next to Benedict Arnold. The sooner the better.


47 posted on 07/28/2007 5:46:22 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: Leofl

God Bless You and your family and all you have done for us!

Eleni


48 posted on 07/28/2007 5:47:23 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Absolutely an “enabler of evil”!

I cannot believe we have elevated these simple entertainers to the point where their opinion on anything is relevant...but that is the media’s fault in bed with Hollywood machine.


49 posted on 07/28/2007 5:50:04 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: secretagent
Whatever was going through Giap's mind is moot. What was going on in the Media at the time was false and bordering on treasonous.

The Battle at LZ X-RAY was won by the 7th but the reporting gave the impression of a loss.

During the '68 Tet offensive, the VC advance groups were decimated by US and ARVN forces....their NVA backup retreated in a rout, suffering debilitating casualties.

Forward fire bases of the Marines and Army on the Kontom Plateau held against NVA insurgency from the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

The Air War....We put their fighters in the ground and the survivors were stashed in caves along the Red River Valley. Assets were hard to come by when the NVNAF's sponsors and creditors took a hard look at the tally sheets.

Once the fighter capability was neutralized in our favor, ARC LIGHT and ROLLING THUNDER were free to roam....after Queers cleared air corridors for ingress.

Best guess body count was 30:1.

I think Giap realized this. I've also picked up on the controversy of Giap's memoirs. Whether it's bogus or not it fits the unreported facts.

From late '72 to '75, the NVA had time to rebuild while we withdrew. Then Congress cut the legs out from under the Thieu gov't in Saigon.

Checkmate.

50 posted on 07/28/2007 5:50:17 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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