Primary People: In step in with Paul's campaign (New Hampshire)

New Hampshire Union Leader ^ | July 29, 2007 | Clynton Namuo

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Primary People: In step in with Paul's campaign
By CLYNTON NAMUO
New Hampshire Union Leader Correspondent

Dover – Some supporters hold signs on street corners for their candidates.

Others raise money or talk to their friends.

For resident Kelly Halldorson, those acts simply weren't enough for her favorite candidate, Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who faces an uphill battle for the Republican nomination.

So Halldorson, 34, plans to tell more people than the average supporter about Paul when she hands out literature this Saturday while she walks to Concord. From Dover.

"Instead of giving $2,300, I'm going to walk 38 miles," Halldorson said.

Paul, who represents the Gulf Coast area of Texas, is by every means a maverick. He wants to abolish the IRS and the Department of Education. He believes in withdrawing from free trade agreements and international organizations he says infringe upon America's independence, including the United Nations, the WTO and NAFTA, among others.

Above all, Paul pushes personal freedom and small government with lower taxes. He also strongly believes troops should be taken out of Iraq.

"His views are so much in line with mine," Halldorson says. "I agree with him on 95 percent of the issues. How many candidates do you find that you agree with that much?" Halldorson said she knows first hand what government assistance does -- not much.

After living in a housing project and then a trailer in Dover, Halldorson said she moved out to Los Angles with her then boyfriend and now husband, Jeff, just in time for the 1994 Northridge Earthquake, which killed dozens and injured thousands.

Disappointed with government

Halldorson said the government's response after the earthquake had a profound effect on her view that less government is better for everyone.

"I think that had a huge impact," she said, noting a terrible federal response after Hurricane Katrina as well. "To me the federal involvement was a huge failure." Earthquake victims lined up and got federal money with little proof they even needed it, Halldorson said. She said federal help overall is a failure and points to her time living in the projects as evidence.

"A lot of the urban housing in these districts have so much crime and so much pain," she said, adding "I've lived in the projects. I don't think those projects help anyone." The solution for much of society's ills is self-reliance, Halldorson said.

She, her husband and their three children -- sons Wolfgang, 12, and Griffin, 10, and daughter, Zoey, 9 -- have their fair share of money problems, she said, but they get by however they can, whether asking family for help, cutting back on expenses or getting another job.

"You don't have to have the answer," she said, noting that her family deals with problems as they arise and always finds a way out.

For example, when her one of her sons hurt his tooth, Halldorson said she had no money to fix it.

So she took him to a free clinic at Dover's Wentworth Douglass Hospital -- but only after making sure the clinic received no public funds whatsoever.

Likes his independence

This ideal of personal freedom and self reliance is a cornerstone of Paul's campaign, and Halldorson believes more people, particularly in Live Free or Die New Hampshire, would support the congressman if they knew more about him and his views.

With little name recognition and even less media coverage, however, it is up to supporters like her to spread the message. In this case, she'll spread the message from her home in Dover along Route 9 to Route 4 and all the way into Concord.

"I think the word just needs to get out," she says.

For its part, the Paul campaign plans to have water and additional supporters along Halldorson's route, said New Hampshire coordinator Jared Chicoine. He said Paul and his views attract ardent grassroots supporters that are a key element needed to win a primary like New Hampshire's. "I think it really energizes supporters to get out there and work for him and do incredible things," he said. Chicoine said the many news stories calling Paul a long shot miss the point that New Hampshire is a state made specifically for those candidates to break out. "From a New Hampshire point of view, if they call us a long shot, fine, fine," he said. "We're still gonna work hard and our base is motivated. Our supporters here are ready to go. I don't get discouraged by it, to be honest with you. I just think it's more motivation to work harder."

Halldorson plans to leave her Dover home at 5 a.m. Saturday for the trek to Concord and is shooting to get to the Statehouse by 10 p.m., if not earlier. A vegan herself, Halldorson plans to stop at Susty's Radical Vegan in Northwood for lunch before continuing on to Concord.

Despite having never walked such a long distance before, Halldorson said the only things that could stop her are thunder and lightning.

"I'm not going to get electrocuted doing it," she said. "If it's just raining, I plan to keep going."

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

"I've lived in the projects. I don't think those projects help anyone." The solution for much of society's ills is self-reliance, Halldorson said.

I gotta tell ya -- I really love our supporters.

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[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Great Ron Paul Ping List!!

"I've lived in the projects. I don't think those projects help anyone." The solution for much of society's ills is self-reliance, Halldorson said.

No doubt about it, folks -- we've got the best volunteers any Candidate could ask for. Gotta love 'em!!

[gondramB]

>>I gotta tell ya — I really love our supporters.<<

While I love all your followers in the Christian sense and I love the principles of many of your followers - the Ron Paul campaign is also getting a very percentage of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts and the CFR/Jewish conspiracy folks.

[t_skoz]

“the Ron Paul campaign is also getting a very percentage of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts and the CFR/Jewish conspiracy folks.”

I know this is a type... a very WHAT percentage? The percentage is small. Like any strong grassroots movement, the fringe is often attracted to the cause. The same is true here in NH with the Ron Paul campaign.

I am very involved here in the campaign and can count on one hand the number of activists and supporters who are 9/11 truthers or ZOG-crazed wackos.

It is a very SMALL percentage.

And I would be very surprised if Ron Paul did not win New Hampshire.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

My Ron Paul question:

Except for his stance on the Iraq War, I agree with most of his points (especially immigration and no-globalism)...

However, he has ran as a Libertarian for President. Libertarians are traditionally very open borders and very pro-free trade. Does Paul truly support what he believes now....or, is he still a libertarian?

Just wondering....this is an honest question and not intended to bash

[rineaux]

just continue to fight the good fight. regardless of the “truth squad” comments you hear, read, etc. every vote counts so i’ll take their vote.

as far as the truth, i think to have all the candidates tell the truth would be refreshing.

[gunnyg]

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[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

While I love all your followers in the Christian sense and I love the principles of many of your followers - the Ron Paul campaign is also getting a very percentage of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts and the CFR/Jewish conspiracy folks.

I can't very well help what the "Troofers" want to do with their time -- other than I think that they should all get jobs and do something productive with their lives.

As far as the CFR goes, who said anything about a "Jewish" conspiracy?

Within three years of the CFR’s founding, one of the founders, a New York corporate lawyer named John W. Davis, got the Democrats’ nomination for President. Today, no one gains the nomination who is not a CFR member.

The Presidential election is therefore a contest between CFR Team A and CFR Team B.

In 2004, the race narrowed down not just to members of the CFR. It narrowed down to a pair of Skull & Bones members. Bones lets 15 people a year into its ranks. What are the odds against two members gaining the joint nomination of the highest office in the land? Did the media dwell on this? Of course not. -- Dr. Gary North, "Ron Paul and the Greased Pig", http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north552.html

Why does any question of "Jewry" have to come up in a discussion of the CFR's undue influence on American Presidential politics?

I am a Dictionary-Definition Zionist myself:

"Zionism" -- The belief that Jews should have their own nation; Jewish nationalism. Zionism gained much support among Jews and others in the early twentieth century, and the hoped-for nation was established in the late 1940s in Palestine, as the state of Israel. Zionism is opposed by most Arabs. (See Arab-Israeli conflict.)
American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition

I believe that "Jews should have their own nation", in Palestine (I would include Judea and Samaria, the so-called "West Bank", in this homeland; but not Philistia aka "Gaza" -- feh, who needs it!?)

I, for one, think it would be rather novel, AT LEAST ONCE, to have a Presidential Candidate who was NOT a member of "CFR Team A versus CFR Team B". But as a Zionist supporter of the honorable Congressman Ron Paul, I don't know why you felt it necessary to "poison the well" by suggesting that sentiment has anything to do with Judaism or Jewry.

[TazforPrez]

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=296

My advice would be do your own research.Never ever believe anything you read on a website unless you already know it to be true.

[rineaux]

excellent point. i never did the cfr comparisons.

[gondramB]

>>I know this is a type... a very WHAT percentage? The percentage is small. Like any strong grassroots movement, the fringe is often attracted to the cause. The same is true here in NH with the Ron Paul campaign.<<

Sorry, that was indeed a typo.
I don’t know what percentage of Ron Paul supporters are 9/11 or NAU conspiricists -probably small.

But a large percentage on those folks I see online who believe in such conspiracies are Ron Paul supporters.

And Congressman Paul himself believes in the NAU conspiracy. Its on his congressional web site.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

My Ron Paul question: Except for his stance on the Iraq War, I agree with most of his points (especially immigration and no-globalism)... However, he has ran as a Libertarian for President. Libertarians are traditionally very open borders and very pro-free trade. Does Paul truly support what he believes now....or, is he still a libertarian? Just wondering....this is an honest question and not intended to bash

I respect your honest question, but I think you may have misunderstood Ron Paul's position as a Libertarian candidate in 1988.

You probably have heard that in 1988, Ron Paul answered a Questionnaire by calling for the abolition of the US Border Patrol -- but what you may NOT have heard (Paul-bashers tend to leave this part out; how convenient) is the fact that Ron Paul said that the US Border should be guarded instead by the United States Army!

In Ron Paul's view, the Border Patrol was an unnecessary waste of money given the fact that, in MOST countries, preventing unwanted Border incursions (that is to say, invasions) is the job of the Military.

Thus, please understand -- Even in 1988, as a Libertarian, Ron Paul advocated the Full-Scale Militarization of the United States Borders in defense of US National Sovereignty. By any possible standard, such a position would make Ron Paul the MOST "anti-Open-Borders" candidate of anyone in the race -- granted, he voted FOR the Border Fence; but what's a Fence, or a beefed-up Border Patrol, compared to the US National Guard!!

As far as Trade goes, Ron Paul is philosophically Pro-Free-Trade... he is a good Capitalist. However, Ron Paul is AGAINST Government "sweet-heart deals" like NAFTA or CAFTA, which he views as "Government-Managed Trade". He'd rather cut Taxes on domestic Businesses and Workers, so that we can out-compete any possible rivals. In his own words: "We don't need CAFTA or any other international agreement to reap the economic benefits promised by CAFTA supporters, we only need to change our own harmful economic and tax policies. Let the rest of the world hurt their citizens with tariffs; if we simply reduce tariffs and taxes at home, we will attract capital and see our economy flourish." (source).

I think he's right. US Workers are the most productive in the world; if we simply reduce the Federal Taxation and Regulation here in the US, I think we can compete with any country in the world -- high-wage, low-wage, whatever. We just need to eliminate the crushing burden of Federal Taxation and Regulation here in the US, and our Workers will out-compete any low-wage third-world crap-hole you want to name. JMHO.

Best, OP

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

And Congressman Paul himself believes in the NAU conspiracy. Its on his congressional web site.

The NAU is not a "conspiracy":

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was launched in March of 2005 as a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing.

http://www.spp.gov/

This is real, and it is being done by the Executive Branch without the approval of Congress.

"The real issue is national sovereignty. Once again, decisions that affect millions of Americans are not being made by those Americans themselves, or even by their elected representatives in Congress. Instead, a handful of elites use their government connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our Constitution-- which expressly grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade." -- Ron Paul, "The NAFTA Superhighway", http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

I'm opposed to it.

You should be also.

[gondramB]

>>I can’t very well help what the “Troofers” want to do with their time — other than I think that they should all get jobs and do something productive with their lives.<<

That’s a good point - a legitimate movement cannot help who supports them. We’ll see a lot of that as the election approaches.

>>As far as the CFR goes, who said anything about a “Jewish” conspiracy?<<

There is a lot of overlap in the conspiracy theories around “Jewish Bankers,”Internationalists, The Trilatteral commission ,the Masons, the CFR and The Illuminati (even though I’m fuzzy on who they are supposed to be).

A lot of what is said about the CFR is out of the Protocols of Elder Zion, just restated. Sometimes they are called internationalists, sometimes they are Neocons.... Ironically Ronald Reagan called it Free Trade and/or Fair Trade.

The twisting is similar - so a plan to work with Mexico and Canada to stop drugs and smuggled goods before they get into Mexico and Canada to make it harder to get them into the U.S. becomes a conspiracy to end U.S. Sovereignty.

So when Ron Paul buys into the North American Union conspiracy, I am unsure how much farther he goes.

When he recommends conspiracy books about the Masons I wonder who else he thinks is conspiring.

When he opposes the war in Iraq I wonder if he is listening to his supporters who call it a Jewish war and use Neocon as a code word for Jewish influence.

Now, your concern, that no one group should dominate all our Presidential choice is correct and valid. But like the real problem with the CFR security plan (that it restricts traffic out of the U.S. when we have always been free to leave if we chose, real concerns here get lost in the wave of conspiracy.

Here is a quote from Ron Paul’s congressional web page that makes me think he should stay in the house and out of the white house.

>>Instead, a handful of elites use their government connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our Constitution— which expressly grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade.

The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated North American Union—complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether.<<

[gondramB]

I have actually read the CFR proposal and the Homeland security policy that came out of it.

Its about security cooperation - establishing a second line of security at the entrances to Mexico and Canada to try to stop drugs, terrorism and smuggled goods from even getting into Canada and Mexico and thus harder to get into the U.S.

Its having limited success because it depends, in large part, for the Mexican government to do their part.

To label it as a plot to end U.S. sovereignty just distracts from the real issues with out neighbors. For one thing it diverts attention from the illegal immigration problem.

[Comus]

RP could not win a statewide election in Texas, much less a nationwide election.

[BlackbirdSST]

RP could not win a statewide election in Texas, much less a nationwide election.

Is that a Miss Cleo kind of declaration or is your crystal ball for real? Who's going to win in '08? I really want to know. Blackbird.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

excellent point. i never did the cfr comparisons.

Council on Foreign Relations "Team A"
Hillary Clinton (Member, CFR)
Barack Obama (Member, CFR)
John Edwards (Member, CFR)
Joe Biden (Member, CFR)
Christopher Dodd (Member, CFR)
Bill Richardson (Member, CFR)

Council on Foreign Relations "Team B"
Rudy Giuliani (Member, CFR)
John McCain (Member, CFR)
Fred Thompson (Member, CFR)
Mitt Romney (Member, CFR)
Newt Gingrich (Member, CFR)

I, for one, think it would be rather novel, AT LEAST ONCE, to have a Presidential Candidate who was NOT a member of "CFR Team A versus CFR Team B".
(Ron Paul #1, or maybe Tancredo or Hunter).

[gondramB]

I tried to go pull up some stuff from Prisonplanet to show the links with the NAU thing, the 9/11 conspiracies and the Jewish conspiracy but their site is down and apparently the Ed Brown compound is under assault at the moment...again.

http://edbrownvlog.blogspot.com/

This groups uses the same language as Paul to talk about fiat money (paper) being fake and income taxes being unconstitutional - they also tie it in with the CFR and the Masons but they add Jewish Bankers.

Seriously, Ron Paul has got to distance himself from this stuff if he wants to be a serious conservative candidate. And he’s not, yet.

[Comus]

I can’t tell you who is going to win, but I can sure as hell tell you it won’t be RP. Want to bet on that?

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Libertarians are traditionally very open borders and very pro-free trade. Does Paul truly support what he believes now....or, is he still a libertarian?

OrthodoxPresbyterian has already covered Ron Paul's particular stand on the border situation. It should be noted that even in his stand to close the border and enforce emigration laws, Ron Paul has looked to the US Constitution as his guide by noting that securing the country from invasion whether actual (an invading military), or virtual (no military units), the US Military is the Constitutional tool for that job. It is not a function of a police agency at any level of government (with the noted exception of catching those who are already here illegally).

As a Card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party, i can answer the other part of your question.

The Libertarian party would end the Federal give away of "Freebies" to illegal immigrants. It would end practise of born here=Citizen for the children of those in the country illegally.

This would remove the strain on Federal budgets presently caused by the 'invasion' of illegals, and the government paid services presently available to them.

It would also enforce the fact to immigrants that "Life in a free country is a b!tc#", and that they're going to have to work for a living. Beyond the most basic humanitarian needs, they're not going to get any handouts under Libertarian policy.

That will cause reduction in the number of illegals, and give the nation immigrants who are willing to work, and contribute to our society.

This is the stated platform of the Libertarian Party at present.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

There is a lot of overlap in the conspiracy theories around “Jewish Bankers,”Internationalists, The Trilatteral commission ,the Masons, the CFR and The Illuminati (even though I’m fuzzy on who they are supposed to be).... When he opposes the war in Iraq I wonder if he is listening to his supporters who call it a Jewish war and use Neocon as a code word for Jewish influence.

I'm getting really sick of Paul-bashers playing this "Jewish race card" Smear against Ron Paul as if he were somehow anti-semitic. It's a damn Lie, and the Paul-bashers know it.

How's THIS for "Jewish Influence"?

"Ron’s political base is fiscal conservatives, anti-tax citizens, anti-war Republicans, Democrats and Independents, constitutionalists, hard-money advocates, small business owners, civil libertarians, anti-universal healthcare physicians, pro-lifers, parents who home school, and anyone else who considers himself a real patriot." -- Dr. Murray Sabrin, Can Ron Paul Win?

Murray’s parents were the only holocaust survivors of their respective families. Murray’s father, Abraham, actually escaped from a Nazi labor camp and went on to become a partisan commander. Armed with a machine gun, he led 231 men and women in blowing up railroads and bridges and disrupting communications of the Nazi army.

I had the HONOR of writing a paean to Dr. Sabrin's father, Abraham, shortly before he passed away, during Murray's GOP run for the United States Senate. It was posted under my old "Uriel1975" Screen Name: Praise God and Pass the Ammunition: One Jew Hitler Couldn't Kill

If you "wonder if Ron Paul is listening to his supporters", you can bank on this -- he is definitely listening to his old friend Dr. Murray Sabrin, son of Holocaust survivors and yet another "Pissed-Off Jew For Ron Paul".

(Honestly, if Murray had not been born in Bad-Worishofen, Germany, I would try to prevail upon the Paul campaign to select him for Vice President. He's an old friend of mine, and I think he'd be an excellent choice, if not for the Constitutional native-born requirement).

As far as the NAU goes...

The twisting is similar - so a plan to work with Mexico and Canada to stop drugs and smuggled goods before they get into Mexico and Canada to make it harder to get them into the U.S. becomes a conspiracy to end U.S. Sovereignty.

Why MUST we depend upon Canada and Mexico to provide for our own National Sovereignty?

Why not just go with Ron Paul's plan of having the US Army guard our Borders?

Personally, I bet that the United States Military could do a MUCH better job of protecting our Borders than any Sovereignty-shifting SPP-NAU Plan with Canada and Mexico.

But maybe that's just me.

Best, OP

[KevinDavis]

I guess Ron Paul forgot that George Washington was a Freemason...

[George W. Bush]

No doubt about it, folks -- we've got the best volunteers any Candidate could ask for.

Here is a new gallery, AJAX-style, of RP supporters. Many of the bloggers, MeetUp leaders. Hover over each thumbnail for their affiliation, donations, campaign activities, why they support RP, click to see a larger photo.

Lots of Republicans and independents, some Libertarians and Democrats. It's a young crowd, some racial diversity. About 800 Friends Of Ron so far. There are a few wildly funny ones as well. Only one I would consider a little disturbing. Fisherman, dads with toddlers, pretty girls, we've 'em all. Obviously, a fun-loving crowd.

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[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I guess Ron Paul forgot that George Washington was a Freemason...

Ron Paul can support George Washington's politics, without being party to GW's particular religious heresies.

Unlike George Washington, Ron Paul is an orthodox, Trinitarian protestant Christian.

(something your boy Mitt can't claim to be, eh?)

[gondramB]

>>The twisting is similar - so a plan to work with Mexico and Canada to stop drugs and smuggled goods before they get into Mexico and Canada to make it harder to get them into the U.S. becomes a conspiracy to end U.S. Sovereignty.

Why MUST we depend upon Canada and Mexico to provide for our own National Sovereignty?

Why not just go with Ron Paul’s plan of having the US Army guard our Borders?

Personally, I bet that the United States Military could do a MUCH better job of protecting our Borders than any Sovereignty-shifting SPP-NAU Plan with Canada and Mexico.

But maybe that’s just me.<<

Under the plan, Mexico and Canada are supposed to prevent drugs and terrorists from getting into Mexico and Canada with out help as well as guarding their half of the border with the U.S., again with out help.

That plan is flawed, of course, because it assumes the Mexican government won’t place their desire to have their people get into the U.S. above other interests.

But that a flaw, not a plot.

BTW, I didn’t say that Paul is anti-semitic, I said a large percentage of the Jewish conspiracy buffs support Ron Paul and he needs to distance himself from all these crazy conspiracies to get taken more seriously.

[gondramB]

Sorry for typo

>>getting into Mexico and Canada with out help <<

should have read
>>getting into Mexico and Canada with our help <<

[KevinDavis]

I don’t care about the candidates religion preferences..

[chesty_puller]

without being party to GW's particular religious heresies.

So Masons are not real Christians?

[George W. Bush]

A story on the GOP CNN/YouTube debate. So far, only McCain and Ron Paul have confirmed.

Most Republican Presidential Candidates Nix YouTube Debate » The Moderate Voice

Another debate upcoming, ABC/Brookings at Univerity Nevada-Reno, for August 20. ABC is limiting invites to top candidates only. McStain, Giuliani, Romney and Ron Paul. They will make room for Fred Thompson if he declares.

There is a scheduling conflict though. Aug 20 is RP's birthday and an all-day birthday bash in TX has been in the works. Hopefully, the Paulian Horde can convince him to head to Reno in the evening. We've got a couple FReeper FRiends Of Ron looking for tickets so holler out if you hear where they can be had.

Republican forum set for Aug. 20 at UNR

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

I don’t care about the candidates religion preferences..

Then your mention of George Washington's religious views (assuming you see Freemasonry as encompassing religious dogma) was for what purpose?

Incidentally, would you be comfortable with a Suni or Shiite Muslim as a Presidential candidate for either majour party?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

As a Card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party,

I used to be a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party...

...but then Ron Paul announced his candidacy for the Republican Nomination -- so, now, I'm a Republican.

And, now, so is yet another Libertarian Candidate for President (Michael Badnarik, Libertarian Party 2004, has already endorsed Ron Paul):

"ALL TOGETHER NOW" ... LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ENDORSES PAUL
http://www.kubby2008.com/node/54

Fort Bragg, CA -- Citing overwhelming support from his own party's members and lackluster response to Libertarian presidential campaigns, Steve Kubby today endorsed US Representative Ron Paul's campaign for the Republican Party's 2008 presidential nomination. Kubby, a candidate in his own party's presidential contest, made the endorsement in an interview from his home in Mendocino County, California.

"I am not, and have never been, a Republican," says Kubby, 60, best known for his work for cannabis legalization and on behalf of medical marijuana patients. "For me, the Libertarian Party has always been, and remains, our last best hope for achieving freedom through the American political process. And until recently my position was that the Libertarian Party needed to stick to its own guns, stake out its own territory. But sometimes a special situation comes along.... when 70% of your own party believes so strongly in a candidate that they're willing to cross party lines to support him at least until he's out of the running, you owe it to them to back their play."

CDL, as a former Card-Carrying Libertarian myself, I am going to make a personal appeal to you to "cross party lines" and Register Republican for the 2008 Pennsylvania GOP Primary on April 23, 2008... so that you can vote for Ron Paul.

If Ron Paul loses, you can always switch back and vote for the Libertarian Candidate of your choice in the Libertarian Party Convention scheduled for late summer 2008.

You might as well switch your Registration now -- at the rate the Libertarian Party is defecting to Ron Paul, it's just gonna be you and that pissant Pro-Abortionist George Phillies left in the LP by April 2008.

And I know you don't wanna vote George Phillies.

So, let's all be Republicans for this Primary season, at least: "ALL TOGETHER NOW... when 70% of your own party believes so strongly in a candidate that they're willing to cross party lines to support him at least until he's out of the running, you owe it to them to back their play."

[KevinDavis]

Well I was getting tired of people saying that the Freemason is some kind of group that is plotting of taking over the world. If the candidate believes in less government, lower taxes and so forth the person can be a Scientologist for all I care..

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

without being party to GW's particular religious heresies. ~~ So Masons are not real Christians?

While there may be lower-level Masons who are simply involved with freemasonry for its charitable outreaches, the actual philosophical Teachings of Freemasonry are incompatible with Biblical Christianity.

George Washington himself, for example, always recused himself from receipt of Episcopalian Communion. He attended church with his wife, but did not partake of Christian Communion -- because he knew that, as a Freemason, he was not Christian; and he felt duty-bound to respect the difference.

He was, after all, an honest man.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I don’t care about the candidates religion preferences... 28 posted on 07/29/2007 7:06:19 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08)

Well, I hope you enjoy this narrow window of time during which Mitt Romney will pretend to support what you believe in.

He's already proven that he can, and will, turn on a dime the moment another political philosophy can gain him more power.

But, right now, he's pretending to be a True-Blue Conservative.

So, hey, enjoy it while it lasts.

Because... it won't.

[deport]

RP could not win a statewide election in Texas, much less a nationwide election.

---

LOL....... Don’t go raining on their parade with reality as it exist here in Texas......

[George W. Bush]

OPie: CDL, as a former Card-Carrying Libertarian myself, I am going to make a personal appeal to you to "cross party lines" and Register Republican for the 2008 Pennsylvania GOP Primary on April 23, 2008... so that you can vote for Ron Paul.

If Ron Paul loses, you can always switch back and vote for the Libertarian Candidate of your choice in the Libertarian Party Convention scheduled for late summer 2008.

You might as well switch your Registration now -- at the rate the Libertarian Party is defecting to Ron Paul, it's just gonna be you and that pissant Pro-Abortionist George Phillies left in the LP by April 2008.

And I know you don't wanna vote George Phillies.

C'mon, CDL. How can you resist the lure of voting for Ron Paul in your state primary? You can shower afterward (the dirty feeling may persist for a bit) then run down to the courthouse to change back to big-L the day after.

You know you can't resist. LOL.

[George W. Bush]

About 800 1034 Friends Of Ron so far.

Oopsie. I hadn't refreshed the page for a day. Now with more hot chicks! LOL.

rally.ronpaulplanet.org

[rineaux]

no kidding, i always heard that jesse jackson was a mason as well. do you know that to be true? if so, you can see how the division and rhetoric he spews is just a big joke.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Under the plan, Mexico and Canada are supposed to prevent drugs and terrorists from getting into Mexico and Canada with out help as well as guarding their half of the border with the U.S., again with out help. That plan is flawed, of course, because it assumes the Mexican government won’t place their desire to have their people get into the U.S. above other interests. But that a flaw, not a plot.

Bottom line is still this -- we damn well don't NEED any SPP-NAU "Partnership". Ron Paul's plan to have the United States Army guard our Borders will work just fine.

BTW, I didn’t say that Paul is anti-semitic, I said a large percentage of the Jewish conspiracy buffs support Ron Paul and he needs to distance himself from all these crazy conspiracies to get taken more seriously.

Ron Paul enjoys the personal support of Dr. Murray Sabrin, former GOP Candidate for the United States Senate from New Jersey and the son of Holocaust survivors on both sides of his family.

I really don't care if some addle-pated, tinfoil-wearing, anti-semitic conspiracy buff in Jerkwater, Arkansas happens to support Ron Paul; I can't control that. The important thing to me is the fact that Dr. Murray Sabrin, the endorsed "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership" (JPFO) candidate for the US Senate in New Jersey, 2000, is very much one of the "in crowd" in Ron Paul's campaign.

And since he can't be Vice-President, I think he'd make a great choice for Sec. Treasury.

[ex-snook]

" by every means a maverick. He wants to abolish the IRS and the Department of Education. He believes in withdrawing from free trade agreements and international organizations he says infringe upon America's independence, including the United Nations, the WTO and NAFTA, among others. Above all, Paul pushes personal freedom and small government with lower taxes. He also strongly believes troops should be taken out of Iraq."

Maverick? Thar's an increasing number of voters goin' mavericking out thar. Out of NAFTA and out of Iraq are more mainstream than the author implies.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

no kidding, i always heard that jesse jackson was a mason as well. do you know that to be true? if so, you can see how the division and rhetoric he spews is just a big joke.

I don't know and don't care.

Jesse Jackson doesn't even take his "Christianity" seriously, so I don't really care whether or not he's a Mason (although I kinda doubt it, Freemasonry tends to be WASP-y in racial allegiance).

JMHO.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Maverick? Thar's an increasing number of voters goin' mavericking out thar. Out of NAFTA and out of Iraq are more mainstream than the author implies.

LOL!

Well, agreeing with 65% of the American Public on Iraq and NAFTA is pretty "maverick", given that the American People aren't supposed to speak their minds on such issues.

Your job is to shut your pie-hole, and pay your damn taxes. Or didn't you get the memo?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

However, he has ran as a Libertarian for President. Libertarians are traditionally very open borders and very pro-free trade.

Paul supports border security and opposes free trade agreements.

His record pretty much speaks for itself, despite the wailing from the hand-wringers who believe that they can't handle real freedom.

[George W. Bush]

Well, I hope you enjoy this narrow window of time during which Mitt Romney will pretend to support what you believe in.

I think that those of us who admired the Steve Forbes campaign in 2000 should always find a few nice words for pro-business candidates. Mitt's record makes him the only candidate who merits the term Capitalist Pig. Quick on his feet, confident, more forthcoming, better educated with some Harvard polish but still connects with ordinary folks. Good for him, I say.

You know, there's a thing where being too combative with folks who support other candidates is counterproductive too. Well, unless we're talking about the leftwing mayor.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

RP could not win a statewide election in Texas, much less a nationwide election.

Then you have nothing to worry about then, right?

The very fact that he's in the race speaks volumes. He is talking about the real issues.

It's very possible that Paul can win a couple of primary states. Paul has a wide cross-section of supporters. Some of them are kooks, unfortunately, but there are a lot of folks who normally don't participate in the process are tuning in because of Paul.

[gondramB]

>>And since he can’t be Vice-President, I think he’d make a great choice for Sec. Treasury.<<

I’d almost rather he was President. His finance ideas to do away with paper money, the Federal reserve and all central bank functions are seriously scary - if he got them across he would collapse the world economy and guarantee the U.S. would be at a major disadvantage trying to recover.

He really should stay in congress and focus on legislation related to personal freedom - that is his strong suit. He could also work on paring back government excess, both spending and constitutional over-reach. He’s good at that too.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Well I was getting tired of people saying that the Freemason is some kind of group that is plotting of taking over the world.

Nobody here has said anything of the sort. Save that lecture for the 'tin-foil' crowd. It's quite a stretch to derive from Freemasonry has religious dogma to Freemasonry is plotting to take over the world.

If the candidate believes in less government, lower taxes and so forth the person can be a Scientologist for all I care..

Well, i want to thank you for your consistency on this issue, but it again brings up the question of why you'd mention George Washington's Freemasonry membership at all in this particular context if you don't care about the religious views of candidates. i'm certain that Ron Paul doesn't care.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

His finance ideas to do away with paper money, the Federal reserve and all central bank functions are seriously scary - if he got them across he would collapse the world economy and guarantee the U.S. would be at a major disadvantage trying to recover. He really should stay in congress and focus on legislation related to personal freedom - that is his strong suit. He could also work on paring back government excess, both spending and constitutional over-reach. He’s good at that too.

Respectfully, you're wrong again...

Ron Paul has said, openly and publicly, that he believes that fiat-issued Federal Reserve Paper Money Notes cannot be "done away with" at this time without causing a major world-wide monetary contraction, and he doesn't want that to happen.

Good grief, the man is a Member of the US Congress Banking Committee. You think he doesn't know the score? Or were you just not paying attention to his answers during the GOP Debates?

In fact, what Ron Paul has proposed is simply rescinding the Federal Reserve monopoly, and instead permitting Hard Asset-backed Currencies to compete with the US Dollar for acceptance in the marketplace.

For example -- CitiBank could issue a series of $1 dollar Notes -- let's call them "Citibank Silverbacks" -- which would each be backed by 1/20 ounce of pure silver. At the current price of $12.60 per ounce, Citibank would earn a healthy profit of $0.37 cents per Note on seignorage -- BUT, investors might well prefer the "Citibank Silverbacks", even given the seignorage taken by Citibank, because these "Silverbacks" would be Backed by a Hard Asset rather than the mere Fiat Power of the Federal Reserve.

And, of course, since the US Dollar would now be in competition with these "Citibank Silverbacks" for investor acceptance, a hard incentive against monetary inflation of the US Dollar would be introduced -- inflate the Dollar too much, and investors will dump the "Greenback" and flee to the "Silverbacks" for value and safety.

Thus, by permitting Competition, Ron Paul plans to rein in the inflation of the US Dollar. Not by sudden revolution, but by allowing the Free Market to work its wonders.

A good Capitalist, that Ron.

Smart, too.

Best, OP

[George W. Bush]

I’d almost rather he was President. His finance ideas to do away with paper money, the Federal reserve and all central bank functions are seriously scary - if he got them across he would collapse the world economy and guarantee the U.S. would be at a major disadvantage trying to recover.

Ron Paul has been asked about this and has said that in any substantial change to the current system of legal tender, Federal Reserve, Social Security reform, etc. that there would be transitions, not radical change in the first hundred days.

An example of this is moving toward a precious metals-backed currency. He would simply offer gold, silver and copper based dollars in various denominations. This wouldn't destroy the Federal Reserve or the convenience of paper dollars and credit cards. It would compete with them and would also provide more hedge against hidden inflation of the currency, especially with a Treasury that deflates currency by printing so much paper money to keep paying interest on the federal debt, essentially a hidden tax on savings and the elderly.

I think a lot of citizens might like having a few hundred or more in gold or silver coin. I know they did until 1933 (?) when FDR seized all the gold. Besides, you could buy really cool coins.

BTW, the United States has never had a 100% reserve gold standard in its history. And Ron Paul understands that.