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Ron Paulís Impact on The Election (Semi Barf Alert)
Reuters ^ | July 24, 2007 | Ron Chusid

Posted on 07/29/2007 6:22:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Yesterday I looked at the Ron Paul phenomenon as an expression of the anti-big government sentiments among some people in each of the major parties. Such voters have limited options among the other candidates this year. While the Paul supporters commenting vigorously disagreed, I also expressed the belief that Paul cannot win the Republican nomination. What if I am right? What will his supporters do?

It is hard to see Paul supporters being loyal Republicans and backing their party’s winner–which should be a matter of concern for the Republicans. If I was a GOP leader I’d be questioning Paul’s loyalty to the party and pressing him for a pledge to support the nominee and encourage his supporters to do the same should he lose. Of course it is questionable as to how many votes he could deliver to the authoritarian war mongers who dominate the Republican field should he be willing to do so.

I don’t even know that Paul would agree to support another Republican candidate. Would Paul jump ship and run as a Libertarian again? If not, will the Libertarian Party candidate benefit from what Paul has done? That will depend partially upon the candidate, but the LP will have the problem that many people are reluctant to vote for a third party which has no real chance of winning.

If they are reluctant to support a minor party, will many Paul supporters back the Democratic winner as the best shot of having an anti-war candidate win? That will depend a lot on the nominee. Richardson already has some libertarian support but remains a real long shot. Edwards will have a real tough time attracting any libertarian support, between his previous support for he war and Patriot Act when in the Senate to his current populist economic policies. Clinton will also have problems here, but I could see Obama managing to find a way to bridge liberal ideas with libertarian ideals as he has shown he is willing to avoid pandering to traditional Democratic special interests.

While I don’t think Ron Paul has any real chance of winning the Republican nomination, his candidacy is doing far better than might have been expected initially, and he very well may have a lasting impact on the race. Between the out right libertarians, as well as the more traditional conservatives who are becoming increasingly outraged by the current Republican leadership, there will be a number of Republicans looking for an alternative. Whether the Democrats can become a majority party will depend partially on whether they can attract a portion of these voters. To do so will mean not only opposing the war but showing they recognize that the 2000’s are not the 1930’s and their old New Deal coalition is long gone.


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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Yesterday I looked at the Ron Paul phenomenon”

Right off the bat this story is in trouble. I think to reach “phenomenon” status, one must actually REGISTER support in polls. Usually a number big enough that you aren’t sharing 5% with 4 other candidates.


51 posted on 07/29/2007 7:16:37 PM PDT by Grunthor (Oh God give me patience, strength and forgiveness)
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To: jveritas

Back at you JV! Always a pleasure to see you.


52 posted on 07/29/2007 7:16:55 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: jrooney

He’s a rare breed; he’s both a RINO and LINO, since if you check the record you’ll see he does waste government money for his district. I’ll find that.


53 posted on 07/29/2007 7:16:55 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: jveritas
If he keeps going with this lunacy, he is going to lose his Congressional seat in the next primaries to another Republican.

Do you honestly think someone like Paul's caliber really care if he loses his seat?

Why do you think there are lots of folks supporting Paul? People are fed up with Washington. All of these federal government programs and taxes and sticking our noses into other countries' affairs are causing all the problems we're having today. Don't you get it?

54 posted on 07/29/2007 7:17:14 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No EEE, you are delusional for thinking that the GOP is afraid of Ron Paul, get real man, he is absolutely no one and the GOP is not losing sleep afraid that Ron Paul and his folks will take over the party.


55 posted on 07/29/2007 7:17:51 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
protecting our sovereignty doesn't mean anything to you, I guess.

What are you referring to?

56 posted on 07/29/2007 7:17:54 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: elhombrelibre
"Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. "

Just proves Ron Paul is NO conservative!
57 posted on 07/29/2007 7:18:04 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“If Paul wins a couple of primaries...”

I’ll expect snow in Death Valley.


58 posted on 07/29/2007 7:18:24 PM PDT by Grunthor (Oh God give me patience, strength and forgiveness)
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To: elhombrelibre

Yep, spying on terrorists is a bad thing according to Ron Paul.


59 posted on 07/29/2007 7:18:29 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas
If he keeps going with this lunacy, he is going to lose his Congressional seat in the next primaries to another Republican

He's 72, I doubt he cares. He was frail when I met him in 03.

Besides, republicans have a history of supporting the democrat over Ron Paul in his Congressional races.

60 posted on 07/29/2007 7:18:32 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: elhombrelibre

voted no on deterring arms....

thats good because if he had voted yes, w may not have been able to have westinghouse sell nuclear technology to china. we want to stop iran and yet we are selling them reactors. 5-8 billion dollars.

like clinton like bush.


61 posted on 07/29/2007 7:18:58 PM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: elhombrelibre
"Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. "
Just proves Ron Paul is NO conservative!
62 posted on 07/29/2007 7:18:58 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

So many Paul haters. They behave like liberals.


63 posted on 07/29/2007 7:19:24 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: elhombrelibre

And some people here consider him the “soul of conservatism”!


64 posted on 07/29/2007 7:19:30 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Paul is polling strong in N.H. and it’s possible he could come in 2nd in Iowa, after Tommy Thompson.”

From where to you get this info?


65 posted on 07/29/2007 7:21:03 PM PDT by Grunthor (Oh God give me patience, strength and forgiveness)
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To: elhombrelibre
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime.

Not a Federal matter.

66 posted on 07/29/2007 7:21:09 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: ontap

Ron Paul has been a Republican for a long time.


67 posted on 07/29/2007 7:21:33 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why do you think there are lots of folks supporting Paul?

LOL... as I said before you are really delusional.

68 posted on 07/29/2007 7:22:19 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Abcdefg

He’s a RINO!


69 posted on 07/29/2007 7:22:47 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: jveritas
"And some people here consider him the “soul of conservatism”!"

Not many JV. Their numbers encompass DU members, Kos kids, sorosites, code pinkos and some Libertarians. Ron Paul is the Rosie O'Donnell and Cindy Sheehan of truth in the WOT, the attack of 9/11 and foreign policy.
70 posted on 07/29/2007 7:24:29 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: jveritas
No EEE, you are delusional for thinking that the GOP is afraid of Ron Paul, get real man, he is absolutely no one and the GOP is not losing sleep afraid that Ron Paul and his folks will take over the party.

Yeah, that's why the RNC has consistently supported his opponent in almost all of his races, and they supported the establishment hack over the real conservative in Georgia, who won BTW.

The GOP will embrace liberal turds like Giuliani or Specter but they'll kick the guy who actually carries out their beliefs to the curb.

71 posted on 07/29/2007 7:24:39 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: jrooney
"Just proves Ron Paul is NO conservative!"

Sure he is. Ron is the most conservative candidate in the race.

72 posted on 07/29/2007 7:25:12 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg

Ron Paul has been a LIBERTARIAN a long time. He uses the Republican party to give legitimacy to that.


73 posted on 07/29/2007 7:25:30 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: Abcdefg

He is NO republican. He is a Libertarian posing as a republican to get elected. He is a RINO and his days are numbered as such.


74 posted on 07/29/2007 7:25:43 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Apparently, FReepers have no problem with a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual liberal Mayor running as a Republican”

I may be a newby but I saw the tail end of the Rudy wars a couple months back and given that they are few and far between around here these days I’d have to call bullsh*t on that statement.


75 posted on 07/29/2007 7:26:22 PM PDT by Grunthor (Oh God give me patience, strength and forgiveness)
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To: jrooney

I know JR; but his supporters are a sad case of extreme delusion.


76 posted on 07/29/2007 7:27:00 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Abcdefg
So many Paul haters. They behave like liberals.

I actually have more respect for liberals than I do for conservatives who trash other conservatives.

77 posted on 07/29/2007 7:28:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: jveritas

Yes JV they are. The enemy is within the gates.


78 posted on 07/29/2007 7:28:34 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: ontap
"He’s a RINO!"

He's not what the RNC socialists want because he is too conservative, but he has been a Republican for a long time.

79 posted on 07/29/2007 7:28:36 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

george w is turning out to be a real conservative. he will do a dog and pony show for the republican base, but the reality is, he wants the clintons back in.

who wrote the patriot act? written under clinton, delivered by w.

immigration (amnesty) bill. he has arlen pushing for it again. he really is losing his base. that is why many in his corner are hoping for another attack on this country. how sick is that??


80 posted on 07/29/2007 7:30:33 PM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: jveritas
”Leads the Houston-area delegation in the number of earmarks “
81 posted on 07/29/2007 7:30:51 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; traviskicks; fieldmarshaldj; T.L.Sink; SSS Two

The only reason Ron Paul is getting so much ink is because he has embraced “blame America” rhetoric in his foreign policy speeches. That viewpoint does not reflect the overwhelming majority of Libertarians.


82 posted on 07/29/2007 7:31:30 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Open borders and outsourcing are opposite sides of the same coin)
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To: elhombrelibre
”Leads the Houston-area delegation in the number of earmarks “

Wow, this can't be? I was told by his truthers he was a fiscal conservative! You mean he likes to spend our tax money on his pet projects? Wow, I am stunned! / sarcasm off
83 posted on 07/29/2007 7:33:17 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: jveritas
And some people here consider him the “soul of conservatism”!

Indeed I do.

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.--Federalist 45

I know some of these ideas come as foreign to those that play at federalism, but marriage falls under 'lives, liberties, and properties of the people'. It is an institution that is recognized by the separate and sovereign states and not something intended to be a federal matter.

84 posted on 07/29/2007 7:34:15 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: jrooney

He’s a hypocrite, and his followers don’t care how many of their principles he breaks. It’s become a cult of personality.


85 posted on 07/29/2007 7:35:03 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: elhombrelibre
LOL, still putting up that canard eh? Don't you have something else to play with? Tell us, how does he vote on those issues (as if you didn't already know)? His duty is to present the earmarks to Congress, just as his duty is to vote against same said earmarks if it comes to a vote (which it usually doesn't).
86 posted on 07/29/2007 7:35:56 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
It doesn’t matter what he does, does it?
87 posted on 07/29/2007 7:37:00 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: elhombrelibre
"It’s become a cult of personality."

That is fine. Let them all line up to drink the Jim Jones kool-aid. I will not miss them.
88 posted on 07/29/2007 7:37:26 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: jrooney

Have you contacted your Representative and told him you don’t want any local funding from the Feds? Call him tomorrow and let him know that you are totally opposed to any federal spending in your district.


89 posted on 07/29/2007 7:39:04 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: elhombrelibre

LOL... so much for a “fiscal and small government conservative”. Man, you really did your homework on Ron Paul :)


90 posted on 07/29/2007 7:39:15 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: elhombrelibre

And is a good thing.

if there is a paul pinglist sign me up


91 posted on 07/29/2007 7:39:58 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: jveritas
”Ron Paul's personal pork projects. “

He's a big phony duping his fan club, or cult as I call it.

92 posted on 07/29/2007 7:40:09 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: jveritas
He’s not who they think he is, but it doesn’t matter. It’s the cult of personality.
93 posted on 07/29/2007 7:40:55 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: billbears

“...leads the Houston-area delegation in the number of earmarks, or special funding requests, that he is seeking for his district. He is trying to nab public money for 65 projects, such as marketing wild shrimp and renovating the old movie theater in Edna that closed in 1977 — neither of which is envisioned in the Constitution as an essential government function.”


94 posted on 07/29/2007 7:41:59 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: elhombrelibre
I think the vast majority of his followers are the old and extinct Buchanin Brigade but now re-emerging as “Paulites”.
95 posted on 07/29/2007 7:44:27 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The only reason Ron Paul is getting so much ink is because he has embraced “blame America” rhetoric in his foreign policy speeches.

Many folks are paying attention to the size and power of the federal government, our sovereignty, and ongoing meddling in foreign affairs. This is why Paul has the support he does.

96 posted on 07/29/2007 7:44:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: elhombrelibre
The way it works in Paul's office is that local groups and officials from his district make pitches to him for federal funding. The congressman passes along those recommendations to the Appropriations Committee as earmark requests. Paul said he tries to treat everyone equally and rejects few requests. He said it would be unfair "for me to close the door and say this is a bunch of junk."

But in the end, Paul said, he would likely vote against the spending bills even if they included earmarks he sought.

LOLOL!! Tell us another one!!

97 posted on 07/29/2007 7:44:52 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: elhombrelibre

“”I don’t think they should take our money in the first place,” he said. “But if they take it, I think we should ask for it back.””

yep...lib


98 posted on 07/29/2007 7:45:08 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
So limiting the federal government & protecting our sovereignty doesn't mean anything to you, I guess.

Your premise is mistaken.

Anybody who is seriously interested in limiting the federal government and protecting our sovereignty would be making a huge mistake in vesting his support in a fringe candidate who wouldn't capture a single district outside the bounds of Victoria County, TX.

Paul has approximate zero chance of winning the nomination (and less than zero of winning the election, should he run as an independent). Consequently, he will be unable to ever do a damn thing about limiting government and protecting our sovereignty.

I'm not calling him a nut. Nor do I believe his supporters are nuts. But they are sure as hell smoking the good stuff.

99 posted on 07/29/2007 7:45:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: elhombrelibre

Those look the positions of a small-government conservative to me. What’s your point?


100 posted on 07/29/2007 7:46:04 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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