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Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
ExileStreet ^ | 8/1/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA

I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sam’s Club and an indulgent wife.

I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.

And it is really finished . . .

Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?

I think the answer is only a tentative “yes.” If one knows the “puzzles” and “the secrets” of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.

The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.

A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some children’s books (Little White Horse) are better.

I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.

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To: Cymbaline
All of the “spells” in the HP books were made up completely by JK herself. There’s no occultism there.

Something that I noticed early on was that the "secular" magic words, "Abra-Cadabra" were so closely related to the killing curse... I thought that was very interesting, possibly indicating that she doesn't approve of magic (the occult, and how dangerous it can be?) herself.

Mark

201 posted on 08/01/2007 10:58:38 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: discostu

Thailand?

Someone had to do it.


202 posted on 08/01/2007 11:00:32 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: MarkL
I thought that was very interesting, possibly indicating that she doesn't approve of magic

Good observation. Someone also pointed out earlier that her mocking portrayal of Trelawny could also indicated her disapproval of "real life" witches.

203 posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:13 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm trying to figure out what Post #2 means as well.

Should I be insulted?

204 posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:18 AM PDT by Pippin (Money talks; Idiots listen!)
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To: jetson
One thing I have noticed about the Harry Potter stuff. People who are tuned into and follow politics don’t read or watch the garbage. What could this mean?

I guess it means that it's possible to notice something that's not true.
205 posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:59 AM PDT by Mariebl
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To: discostu

“There’s nothing in there that says anything about personal attacks or a request to stop same”

#102: “You keep trying to make this about me. Why don’t you stop it and stick to the topic.”


206 posted on 08/01/2007 11:02:40 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Buckhead
Never thought of that!

Ole Voldy and Carville! Separated at birth! LOL!

207 posted on 08/01/2007 11:03:25 AM PDT by Pippin (Money talks; Idiots listen!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

And that doesn’t say anything about personal attacks. Sorry bub I don’t know what additional words you had in your head while writing it I can only go with the words you actually typed. Which doesn’t include anything about it being a personal attack (which of course it isn’t anyway) and doesn’t request I stop same. As for being “on topic” the whole occult whine is off topic, deal with it. And I still think you have an unhealthy obsession with teenage male prostitutes.


208 posted on 08/01/2007 11:04:51 AM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: Pistolshot

“Yours is more the latter than the former.”

Both examples use a Biblical “abomination” as a neutral, judgement-free plot device.


209 posted on 08/01/2007 11:05:28 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Well, since I don’t do any of those things, nor do I know any fans of the Harry Potter books who do, then we’re all good!


210 posted on 08/01/2007 11:06:25 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: discostu

I think we can add a “fourth” thing learned from Harry Potter - some folks will go to great lengths to condemn fictional fantasy books. Wish they had more to do...


211 posted on 08/01/2007 11:06:56 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Something else you get from the movies and NOT the books is some of the creepy occult stuff. Things like skulls on shelves and other ‘witchy’ things simply aren’t there in the books. The only place in the books that have stuff like that is the shops of the dark magic vendors in knockturn ally or other people associated with dark magic. The movie added a dash of occult to the scenery that was not there in the books.
212 posted on 08/01/2007 11:07:03 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: jetson

We spend way too much time in the internet? :)


213 posted on 08/01/2007 11:07:07 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Now if there was a very popular childrens series about a couple of crack-addicted, teenage, male-prostitutes - and this series described the kids life and habits in detail but also included a bunch of “life lessons” - would you want your kids to read this?

Nope, because those wouldn't be interesting stories.

214 posted on 08/01/2007 11:08:00 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Occultism and homosexuality are a one-to-one comparison in terms of their bBiblical status as “abomination”.
_________

and so is wearing clothes of mixed fabrics. Your point?


215 posted on 08/01/2007 11:08:26 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Corin Stormhands; null and void; wagglebee
Oh, and the villagers demanding that Noah send his male guests out to be raped...

Weren't those Abraham's guests?

I thought that was Lot, before Sodom and Gemorah were destroyed... And then there was the incest, but I forgeet if that was Noah with his daughter, or Lot with his daughter. And don't forget about what David did, sending the husband of a married woman off to die, so he could get her.

Mark

216 posted on 08/01/2007 11:08:31 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: discostu

“And I still think you have an unhealthy obsession with teenage male prostitutes.”

You really don’t have an argument to put forward, do you.


217 posted on 08/01/2007 11:08:59 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus; TexasAg1996
“PM: Is God so powerless in your life that some children’s fantasy stories, written by an everyday English mother, can destroy you and your family?”

My faith is not at issue.

Tut-tut! Don't be so quick to dismiss my question! This issue is every bit about one's faith. An amount the size of a mustard seed could move a mountain, could it not?
Then tell us: Is YOUR faith strong enough to thwart the "evil influences" of Harry Potter books?
If your children were to "accidentally" read a chapter, have you provided them with a foundation so well grounded in faith that they can tell fantasy from reality? Can they discern?
Would they have learned from your example to have faith that God is real and powerful and protects them as believers?
So far, what you are projecting is an image of someone so afraid that your faith is so much weaker than the world that you cannot bear to even look at children's fairytales!
You seem less of a "Christian Soldier" and more of a ... well, I won't insult you, PM.
God bless you; and try to remember that those who fear God in their heart need not fear the devil in a Harry Potter book.

218 posted on 08/01/2007 11:09:12 AM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: SuziQ

“Nope, because those wouldn’t be interesting stories.”

But lets say they were written in such a wayu that children found them interesting...


219 posted on 08/01/2007 11:10:06 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TexasAg1996
I think we can add a “fourth” thing learned from Harry Potter - some folks will go to great lengths to condemn fictional fantasy books.

No kidding. Books they haven't even read.

I had a friend in high school who was convinced that LOTR was the devil because it had "wizards" in it.

Then she saw the movies, read the books and realized what we had been trying to tell her.

*sigh* If these people only knew what a waste of energy it is.

220 posted on 08/01/2007 11:11:18 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: altura
I felt the most sorry about Fred because I thought of George and how his life would also die. It was odd, but she never mentioned George again.

Oh, I don't agree that George's life would die. I think he and Fred seemed to be grounded enough young men that though they were goofy and fun loving, knew EXACTLY what they were facing, and what could happen. I think George would miss him terribly, but would go on living his life in honor of his brother.

221 posted on 08/01/2007 11:11:20 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Pippin
Should I be insulted?

No

222 posted on 08/01/2007 11:13:09 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: SuziQ
Well, since I don’t do any of those things, nor do I know any fans of the Harry Potter books who do, then we’re all good!

I do. I was fine up until I saw the first Harry Potter book in the book store. I went right out and started killing chickens and performing shadowy rituals with their blood. Things only got worse when I actually bought and read the books. Next month I plan to read some SciFi and then go to NASA and steal a space shuttle.
223 posted on 08/01/2007 11:13:10 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: SuziQ; altura
Oh, I don't agree that George's life would die. I think he and Fred seemed to be grounded enough young men that though they were goofy and fun loving, knew EXACTLY what they were facing, and what could happen. I think George would miss him terribly, but would go on living his life in honor of his brother.

I read an interview with Rowling where she says that George goes back to the joke shop, gets married and names his first son Fred.

224 posted on 08/01/2007 11:14:10 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Revolting cat!

Considering the fact that books are written for tweens and teens, I’m not expecting high falutin’ literature, just good stories. I think they meet that standard.


225 posted on 08/01/2007 11:16:05 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands

Good, ‘cause I’m not! :o)


226 posted on 08/01/2007 11:17:26 AM PDT by Pippin (Money talks; Idiots listen!)
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To: TalonDJ

Well, Dumbledore did order in a troop of dancing skeletons for the Halloween feast in Chamber of Secrets.

And you know how them witches love them dancing skeletons.


227 posted on 08/01/2007 11:17:53 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: TalonDJ
Next month I plan to read some SciFi and then go to NASA and steal a space shuttle.

Can I come with?!!!

228 posted on 08/01/2007 11:18:34 AM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Occultism and male prostitution are both abominations in the eyes of God.

Sooo.... since you saw all the Potter movies I am guessing you must watch a fair bit of porn too eh? Same thing, right?
229 posted on 08/01/2007 11:20:14 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: MarkL
I thought that was Lot, before Sodom and Gemorah were destroyed...

You're correct.

230 posted on 08/01/2007 11:20:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: dmz
and so is wearing clothes of mixed fabrics

I'd be willing to admit polyester is an abomination.

231 posted on 08/01/2007 11:21:05 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: dmz
“and so is wearing clothes of mixed fabrics. Your point?”

“The essence of the crime consisted, not in wearing a woolen and a linen robe, but in the two stuffs being woven together, according to a favorite superstition of ancient idolaters”
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/JamiesonFaussetBrown/jfb.cgi?book=de&chapter=22#De22_11

Yes, Christians should not follow the superstitions of idolaters - though they are different today then they were for the Israelites.

232 posted on 08/01/2007 11:22:42 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Tijeras_Slim; dmz
I'd be willing to admit polyester is an abomination.

I can say AMEN to that.

233 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:23 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
And all the ghosts. But what good is a party with dancing skeletons without the ghosts.

I find it funny that no on condemning it mentions all the underage drinking. Just goes to show they have not read them. Mmmm Butterbeer!
234 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:26 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Corin Stormhands
Dumbledore did order in a troop of dancing skeletons

I wonder if Dumbledore liked the films of Ray Harryhausen. :)

235 posted on 08/01/2007 11:24:01 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Yes, Christians should not follow the superstitions of idolaters - though they are different today then they were for the Israelites.

Global warming! Quick, go buy some carbon credits to save Gaia!
236 posted on 08/01/2007 11:24:51 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Ignatz

“God bless you; and try to remember that those who fear God in their heart need not fear the devil in a Harry Potter book.”

If you can’t understand the need to protect impressionable children from what is clearly occultic then there’s nothing much I can say to you that will benefit you.

Harry Potter is Disney-esque occultism.


237 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:54 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TalonDJ
I find it funny that no on[e] condemning it mentions all the underage drinking. Just goes to show they have not read them. Mmmm Butterbeer!

Isn't butterbeer non-alcoholic (unless you're a house elf)? Guess it doesn't matter, though. If folks are condemning a fictional fantasy book, reality likely doesn't matter much.
238 posted on 08/01/2007 11:26:16 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Didn’t he do “Dead Man Walking?”

;-)


239 posted on 08/01/2007 11:26:19 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: TalonDJ

“Quick, go buy some carbon credits to save Gaia!”

Good example.


240 posted on 08/01/2007 11:27:05 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: I still care
However, Riddle makes all the wrong choices, out of an evil heart, and Harry makes mostly right ones, out of love for friends and under the guidance of wise mentors - despite the fact that he is just as angry about things as Riddle (the heart is desperately wicked).

There are a number of characters from dysfunctional family backgrounds.

Dumbledore, whose father murdered three teenagers for harming his daughter, and who may have accidentally killed his sister.

Snape, whose father and mother fought continuously and lived in poverty.

Harry, whose parents were murdered and who grew up with people who hated him.

Tom Riddle, an orphan from an inbred, insane, violent family.

Neville, whose parents were tortured into insanity, and who was raised by a grandmother who belittled his intelligence and talent.

Ron, The youngest and least promising son, whose parents wanted a daughter.

Hermione, whose parents were dentists.

All these people struggled with their origins, and most turned out OK because they chose to be decent people. Tom was offered the same opportunities, but chose a life of vengeance.

241 posted on 08/01/2007 11:29:18 AM PDT by js1138
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To: jetson
“One thing I have noticed about the Harry Potter stuff. People who are tuned into and follow politics don’t read or watch the garbage. What could this mean?”

That you are mistaken? I’ve read all but the last one at least three times. They are good stories. Not great, perhaps, but good. They do teach lessons that children need to learn, and they interested enough children (including my youngest) in reading that they should be given credit for that, if nothing else. Beowulf, Roland, El Cid, LOTR, and Harry Potter all have something in common. People who won’t give up can have and impact.

242 posted on 08/01/2007 11:29:54 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: SuziQ

She did mention George in an interview after the book release. Ron comes to help him keep the joke shop open. George marries and names the first son Fred. (She also mentions that Ron becomes an auror, so it is a bit confusing.)


243 posted on 08/01/2007 11:30:59 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Old Student
People who won’t give up can have and impact.

See, I wish you hadn't said that. Some people (like on this thread) need to give up! ;)
244 posted on 08/01/2007 11:31:16 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: TalonDJ

“Something else you get from the movies and NOT the books is some of the creepy occult stuff.”

I’m not talking about that kind of stuff. I’m talking about well known occultic practices like automatic writing, astral projection, the use of mirrors as communicaion devices, etc., etc., & etc.


245 posted on 08/01/2007 11:32:52 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TalonDJ
I find it funny that no on condemning it mentions all the underage drinking. Just goes to show they have not read them. Mmmm Butterbeer!

Since kids drink it, my guess is that it's similar to ginger ale or ginger beer, neither of which are alcoholic (though I did see an alcoholic ginger beer once). The one time I tried ginger beer, talk about dry! ACK! I was coughing up dust! I'll stick to the far sweeter ginger ale!

Mark

246 posted on 08/01/2007 11:33:41 AM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Two-way mirrors? You’re now forced to argue that kids need to be protected from two-way mirrors???


247 posted on 08/01/2007 11:35:05 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: js1138
Tom was offered the same opportunities, but chose a life of vengeance.

I thought is was rather touching that Harry offers Tom one last chance at redemption, but Tom is so far gone he basically destroys himself rather than listen.

248 posted on 08/01/2007 11:35:14 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
One of your quotes is an attempt to show that the ability of man to discern right from wrong is based on decisions made by individuals themselves, rather than by others and to look at their own faith.

Do you seriously believe that if you have raised your children in the faith and belief in a one-true God, they would fall from His grace for reading a book?

The second example you quoted contains an emotional individualistic response that had, no fact in bearing, or had any conscionable effort to direct others to the occult, only a fear, which is emotional, not rational.

You missed on both of your quotes, and so far all you have done is show your ability to rationally use your beliefs to discern between fictional characters in a make-believe world from realistic day to day trials we all face in decisions we make.

249 posted on 08/01/2007 11:36:03 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: jetson
One thing I have noticed about the Harry Potter stuff. People who are tuned into and follow politics don’t read or watch the garbage. What could this mean?

Means you have a boring life and friends.

250 posted on 08/01/2007 11:37:48 AM PDT by Gypssy (Smart, Womanly & Conversative! :-)~~~)
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