Skip to comments.Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA
I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sams Club and an indulgent wife.
I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.
And it is really finished . . .
Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?
I think the answer is only a tentative yes. If one knows the puzzles and the secrets of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.
The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.
A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some childrens books (Little White Horse) are better.
I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.
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Something that I noticed early on was that the "secular" magic words, "Abra-Cadabra" were so closely related to the killing curse... I thought that was very interesting, possibly indicating that she doesn't approve of magic (the occult, and how dangerous it can be?) herself.
Someone had to do it.
Good observation. Someone also pointed out earlier that her mocking portrayal of Trelawny could also indicated her disapproval of "real life" witches.
Should I be insulted?
“Theres nothing in there that says anything about personal attacks or a request to stop same”
#102: “You keep trying to make this about me. Why dont you stop it and stick to the topic.”
Ole Voldy and Carville! Separated at birth! LOL!
And that doesn’t say anything about personal attacks. Sorry bub I don’t know what additional words you had in your head while writing it I can only go with the words you actually typed. Which doesn’t include anything about it being a personal attack (which of course it isn’t anyway) and doesn’t request I stop same. As for being “on topic” the whole occult whine is off topic, deal with it. And I still think you have an unhealthy obsession with teenage male prostitutes.
“Yours is more the latter than the former.”
Both examples use a Biblical “abomination” as a neutral, judgement-free plot device.
Well, since I don’t do any of those things, nor do I know any fans of the Harry Potter books who do, then we’re all good!
I think we can add a “fourth” thing learned from Harry Potter - some folks will go to great lengths to condemn fictional fantasy books. Wish they had more to do...
We spend way too much time in the internet? :)
Nope, because those wouldn't be interesting stories.
Occultism and homosexuality are a one-to-one comparison in terms of their bBiblical status as abomination.
and so is wearing clothes of mixed fabrics. Your point?
Weren't those Abraham's guests?
I thought that was Lot, before Sodom and Gemorah were destroyed... And then there was the incest, but I forgeet if that was Noah with his daughter, or Lot with his daughter. And don't forget about what David did, sending the husband of a married woman off to die, so he could get her.
“And I still think you have an unhealthy obsession with teenage male prostitutes.”
You really don’t have an argument to put forward, do you.
My faith is not at issue.
Tut-tut! Don't be so quick to dismiss my question! This issue is every bit about one's faith. An amount the size of a mustard seed could move a mountain, could it not?
Then tell us: Is YOUR faith strong enough to thwart the "evil influences" of Harry Potter books?
If your children were to "accidentally" read a chapter, have you provided them with a foundation so well grounded in faith that they can tell fantasy from reality? Can they discern?
Would they have learned from your example to have faith that God is real and powerful and protects them as believers?
So far, what you are projecting is an image of someone so afraid that your faith is so much weaker than the world that you cannot bear to even look at children's fairytales!
You seem less of a "Christian Soldier" and more of a ... well, I won't insult you, PM.
God bless you; and try to remember that those who fear God in their heart need not fear the devil in a Harry Potter book.
“Nope, because those wouldn’t be interesting stories.”
But lets say they were written in such a wayu that children found them interesting...
No kidding. Books they haven't even read.
I had a friend in high school who was convinced that LOTR was the devil because it had "wizards" in it.
Then she saw the movies, read the books and realized what we had been trying to tell her.
*sigh* If these people only knew what a waste of energy it is.
Oh, I don't agree that George's life would die. I think he and Fred seemed to be grounded enough young men that though they were goofy and fun loving, knew EXACTLY what they were facing, and what could happen. I think George would miss him terribly, but would go on living his life in honor of his brother.
I read an interview with Rowling where she says that George goes back to the joke shop, gets married and names his first son Fred.
Considering the fact that books are written for tweens and teens, I’m not expecting high falutin’ literature, just good stories. I think they meet that standard.
Good, ‘cause I’m not! :o)
Well, Dumbledore did order in a troop of dancing skeletons for the Halloween feast in Chamber of Secrets.
And you know how them witches love them dancing skeletons.
Can I come with?!!!
I'd be willing to admit polyester is an abomination.
“The essence of the crime consisted, not in wearing a woolen and a linen robe, but in the two stuffs being woven together, according to a favorite superstition of ancient idolaters”
Yes, Christians should not follow the superstitions of idolaters - though they are different today then they were for the Israelites.
I can say AMEN to that.
I wonder if Dumbledore liked the films of Ray Harryhausen. :)
“God bless you; and try to remember that those who fear God in their heart need not fear the devil in a Harry Potter book.”
If you can’t understand the need to protect impressionable children from what is clearly occultic then there’s nothing much I can say to you that will benefit you.
Harry Potter is Disney-esque occultism.
Didn’t he do “Dead Man Walking?”
“Quick, go buy some carbon credits to save Gaia!”
There are a number of characters from dysfunctional family backgrounds.
Dumbledore, whose father murdered three teenagers for harming his daughter, and who may have accidentally killed his sister.
Snape, whose father and mother fought continuously and lived in poverty.
Harry, whose parents were murdered and who grew up with people who hated him.
Tom Riddle, an orphan from an inbred, insane, violent family.
Neville, whose parents were tortured into insanity, and who was raised by a grandmother who belittled his intelligence and talent.
Ron, The youngest and least promising son, whose parents wanted a daughter.
Hermione, whose parents were dentists.
All these people struggled with their origins, and most turned out OK because they chose to be decent people. Tom was offered the same opportunities, but chose a life of vengeance.
That you are mistaken? I’ve read all but the last one at least three times. They are good stories. Not great, perhaps, but good. They do teach lessons that children need to learn, and they interested enough children (including my youngest) in reading that they should be given credit for that, if nothing else. Beowulf, Roland, El Cid, LOTR, and Harry Potter all have something in common. People who won’t give up can have and impact.
She did mention George in an interview after the book release. Ron comes to help him keep the joke shop open. George marries and names the first son Fred. (She also mentions that Ron becomes an auror, so it is a bit confusing.)
“Something else you get from the movies and NOT the books is some of the creepy occult stuff.”
I’m not talking about that kind of stuff. I’m talking about well known occultic practices like automatic writing, astral projection, the use of mirrors as communicaion devices, etc., etc., & etc.
Since kids drink it, my guess is that it's similar to ginger ale or ginger beer, neither of which are alcoholic (though I did see an alcoholic ginger beer once). The one time I tried ginger beer, talk about dry! ACK! I was coughing up dust! I'll stick to the far sweeter ginger ale!
Two-way mirrors? You’re now forced to argue that kids need to be protected from two-way mirrors???
I thought is was rather touching that Harry offers Tom one last chance at redemption, but Tom is so far gone he basically destroys himself rather than listen.
Do you seriously believe that if you have raised your children in the faith and belief in a one-true God, they would fall from His grace for reading a book?
The second example you quoted contains an emotional individualistic response that had, no fact in bearing, or had any conscionable effort to direct others to the occult, only a fear, which is emotional, not rational.
You missed on both of your quotes, and so far all you have done is show your ability to rationally use your beliefs to discern between fictional characters in a make-believe world from realistic day to day trials we all face in decisions we make.
Means you have a boring life and friends.