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Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
ExileStreet ^ | 8/1/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA

I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sam’s Club and an indulgent wife.

I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.

And it is really finished . . .

Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?

I think the answer is only a tentative “yes.” If one knows the “puzzles” and “the secrets” of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.

The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.

A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some children’s books (Little White Horse) are better.

I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.

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To: PetroniusMaximus
I’m talking about well known occultic practices like automatic writing, astral projection, the use of mirrors as communicaion devices

Voice recognition software, web cams, and video chatting. Aah!! Computers are of the devil! Quick, smash your up and get rid of it!
251 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:01 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TexasAg1996

“See, I wish you hadn’t said that. Some people (like on this thread) need to give up! ;) “

Seems like I’m just a little ray of sunshine today... :)


252 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:03 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Pistolshot

“One of your quotes is an attempt to show ...”

Which posts on this thread are you refering to - I’ve only had about a hundred.


253 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:16 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: MarkL
Well she does mention it warming them up on a cold day. Sounds like actual beer. And Harry has firewhisky at least once I can remember. Just pointing it out. I am Catholic so I don't care ;-D
254 posted on 08/01/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ; TexasAg1996

Neither of you seem to be familiar with real occultic practices.


255 posted on 08/01/2007 11:41:49 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: dmz
At the Barnes and Noble I shop at, Playboy magazine is in the same rack as Guitar Player. Are you suggesting that there is a connection between the 2?

Not to mention that the word "occult" appears regularly in astronomy magazines.
I guess I'll have to have my telescope exorcised and then destroy it by fire. How can I continue to look to the heavens when things are "occulting" there all the time?

256 posted on 08/01/2007 11:41:58 AM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Nonsense! Didn’t you see my post about the chickens?


257 posted on 08/01/2007 11:42:53 AM PDT by TalonDJ (;-D)
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To: TalonDJ; SuziQ; RosieCotton
I am Catholic so I don't care ;-D

You guys are gonna convert me yet!

258 posted on 08/01/2007 11:43:23 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

We have beer...

*waves bottle tauntingly*


259 posted on 08/01/2007 11:45:55 AM PDT by TalonDJ (;-D)
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To: TalonDJ

“Nonsense!”

An apt description of that post you refered to.


260 posted on 08/01/2007 11:48:28 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Ingtar
I thought is was rather touching that Harry offers Tom one last chance at redemption, but Tom is so far gone he basically destroys himself rather than listen.

Touching, or the central message of the whole series.

261 posted on 08/01/2007 11:48:40 AM PDT by js1138
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To: TalonDJ
Voice recognition software, web cams, and video chatting. Aah!! Computers are of the devil! Quick, smash your up and get rid of it!

They sell video phones, too. They're kinda like communication using two-way mirrors. Smash that computer good!
262 posted on 08/01/2007 11:48:58 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Ok I will be nice and post an actual point for once.
‘Real occult’ if it ‘works’ uses demonic power that is of the devil (redundant). Things technology does with science are in a few ways similar and use the power of the sciences of God’s creation. We can all agree that that is ok, even if in some cases it does the same stuff as the occult (cure the sick, speak to people far away, etc). In Harry Potter they use the power of MAGIC which is present in that FICTIONAL universe. It is NOT the same demonic power that ‘real occult’ dabbles with here in the real world. Hence, even if some of the trappings are vaguely similar it is not the same thing at all.
263 posted on 08/01/2007 11:50:24 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: PetroniusMaximus
An apt description of that post you refered to.

Hmm not surprised your appreciation of sarcastic humor is weak. Explains the dislike of English fiction.
264 posted on 08/01/2007 11:55:35 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

It warms them up because it’s HOT butterbeer. Ever drink beer a 180 degrees?

And Ron WANTED to try firewhiskey, but Hermione wouldn’t let him. I don’t recall any underage drinking.


265 posted on 08/01/2007 11:56:09 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
If you can’t understand the need to protect impressionable children from what is clearly occultic then there’s nothing much I can say to you that will benefit you.

I never had a heart-felt blessing thrown back in my face before. At least, not by a fellow Christian. Nonetheless, I will turn the other cheek.
I do understand, PM. But not allowing them to read fairytales does nothing to further that goal. Raising them to respect (fear) and understand God to the best of their ability does, however.
So, at the risk of repeating myself, my point is that the heart that fears God need not fear the devil in a Harry Potter book. If you raise your children in this manner, they could read the Necronomicon itself and be perfectly safe.

266 posted on 08/01/2007 11:58:29 AM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: Politicalmom

Pretty sure Harry had some in the last book. And I think butterbeer is like hot buttered rum. But that is just my guess on the subject. I think I remember something about someone having too much of it. I forget where.


267 posted on 08/01/2007 12:00:59 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: SuziQ

If you have access to Usenet Newsgroups, you can download them at alt.binaries.harry-potter. That’s where I got mine. I MUCH prefer them to Jim Dale. Stephen Fry does girls’ voices much better; Dale makes them sound a little slow. He does a good Scrimgeour, though.


268 posted on 08/01/2007 12:01:03 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: js1138

While it was a part of her central theme it was touching in that Harry had enough love inside him to reach out to his enemy and try to save him no matter how angry and hurt he was at the time. After all, Harry knew of many of the deaths of his friends at that point. He could simply have faced him down and let him die without that chance.


269 posted on 08/01/2007 12:02:47 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: TalonDJ
We have beer...

*waves bottle tauntingly*

! ! ! ! !
"Hail Mary, full of grace....."

270 posted on 08/01/2007 12:03:30 PM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: Ignatz
Please give me your thoughts on this article...

Twelve reasons not to see Harry Potter Movies
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/HP-Movie.htm

1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are evil.
2. The movie’s foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn’t diminish its power to change beliefs and values.
3. Each occult image and suggestion prompts the audience to feel more at home in this setting.

etc...

271 posted on 08/01/2007 12:03:36 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: The Blitherer; Corin Stormhands
I just don't think Scrimgeour should be compared to Clinton

I think Scrimgeour is more of a Lincoln type - blow off the Constitution for the Bigger Purpose.

Not to start a fight or anything ... it's definitely admirable, in a way, and certainly not an indicator of personal evil or weakness.

272 posted on 08/01/2007 12:04:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: TalonDJ

They toasted Moody with firewhiskey in book 7, but by then Harry is of age.


273 posted on 08/01/2007 12:04:31 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Ingtar
While it was a part of her central theme it was touching in that Harry had enough love inside him to reach out to his enemy and try to save him no matter how angry and hurt he was at the time. After all, Harry knew of many of the deaths of his friends at that point. He could simply have faced him down and let him die without that chance.

Agreed, but it was not unexpected. Harry never accepted the mission to kill Voldemort. This is the point of the series. He succeeded because he refused to let the end justify the means.

274 posted on 08/01/2007 12:06:06 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Tax-chick
More of a Lincoln type

Whew! If we can get the War of Northern Aggression folks over here, this thread will go 1000+ and end up in the Smokey Backroom.

275 posted on 08/01/2007 12:06:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Ignatz

“If you raise your children in this manner, they could read the Necronomicon itself and be perfectly safe.”

That is simply not true.

“Do not be deceived:’Bad company ruins good morals.’”


276 posted on 08/01/2007 12:07:04 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Charles Martel

Re:166

Ditto That!


277 posted on 08/01/2007 12:07:26 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Cindy Sheehan for Congress! Because...well...just because!)
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To: Ignatz

“never had a heart-felt blessing thrown back in my face before. “

Sorry for that. I didn’t mean to offend.


278 posted on 08/01/2007 12:08:31 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Please give me your thoughts on this article...

Do YOU agree with it? If so, why did you see all the movies?
279 posted on 08/01/2007 12:09:32 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: js1138
Hermione, whose parents were dentists.

It appears you've had the same sort of experience with dentists that I have ...

280 posted on 08/01/2007 12:10:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Mercat
Our county library has a lot of audio books. My daughter listens to them on her daily commute.

Carolyn

281 posted on 08/01/2007 12:10:42 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Tax-chick
Whew! If we can get the War of Northern Aggression folks over here, this thread will go 1000+ and end up in the Smokey Backroom.

"Malfoy" is a Yankee name...

282 posted on 08/01/2007 12:10:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Twelve reasons not to see Harry Potter Movies

Do you apply these same standards to LOTR, Narnia, Wizard of Oz?

283 posted on 08/01/2007 12:11:16 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Tax-chick
It appears you've had the same sort of experience with dentists that I have ...

At times like this I always ask myself, "What would Tom Lehrer say?"

284 posted on 08/01/2007 12:13:49 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Corin Stormhands

French for “Bad Faith.” I do enjoy the puns.

Can we find some connection to Ron Paul? That’ll really stir things up!


285 posted on 08/01/2007 12:14:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Ingtar

You are right. He tells Tom to “regret”, but you know, that is very close to telling him to “repent”.


286 posted on 08/01/2007 12:14:37 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: TalonDJ

“Do YOU agree with it? If so, why did you see all the movies?”

I can assure you, it was not for entertainment purposes. I want to understand what is being fed to this generation of children.


287 posted on 08/01/2007 12:14:54 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: js1138

I can’t imagine.

I wasn’t the dentist’s fault that I need my eyeteeth pulled, but still ...

(Where’s that firewhiskey?)


288 posted on 08/01/2007 12:15:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Tax-chick
Can we find some connection to Ron Paul?

He's like Thicknesse, the imperiused new Minister of Magic obeying and helping the enemy?
289 posted on 08/01/2007 12:15:23 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: js1138

Either the HP points are valid or they are not.


290 posted on 08/01/2007 12:15:35 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ReignOfError
Our public library has downloadable digital books. I've not checked how many are available, but they do have some. You can either burn them to a CD or put them on your MP3 player.

I, too, enjoy audio books on long trips. We try to do a lot of driving at night, and I'm the designated driver then, so listening to books does keep me much more alert than music.

John Cleese was outstanding reading "The Screwtape Letters". We listened to "The Two Towers" on audiotape several years ago on one of our trips, but I can't remember who read it.

291 posted on 08/01/2007 12:15:38 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: js1138
Hermione, whose parents were dentists.

Brilliant!

Very Rowling-esque humor, might I add.

292 posted on 08/01/2007 12:15:39 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Whew! If we can get the War of Northern Aggression folks over here, this thread will go 1000+ and end up in the Smokey Backroom.

Oh yeah? That is nothing, let me explain how Harry Potter disproves evolution but support illegal immigration...
293 posted on 08/01/2007 12:16:11 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Do you apply these same standards to LOTR, Narnia, Wizard of Oz?


294 posted on 08/01/2007 12:17:52 PM PDT by js1138
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I can assure you, it was not for entertainment purposes. I want to understand what is being fed to this generation of children.

Oh, so it did not effect you but Ignatz is not capable of raising kids to be as virtuous as you?
295 posted on 08/01/2007 12:18:13 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
Oh yeah? That is nothing, let me explain how Harry Potter disproves evolution but support illegal immigration...

Wizards can apparate, so there's no sense in having any kind of borders, thus wizard immigration is OK. I'm stuck on the evolution bit...
296 posted on 08/01/2007 12:18:13 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: TalonDJ
That is nothing, let me explain how Harry Potter disproves evolution but support illegal immigration...

Did you see his American Idol tryout?

297 posted on 08/01/2007 12:18:52 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Hans Christian Anderson. - Useful, in that children are taught that there are real dangers in the world and that evil is evil but they tend to be overly moralistic - in a simplistic way.

Hmmm. Some of the HCA stories have witches in them, don't they? Otherwise, they kinda sounds like the Harry Potter stories.

298 posted on 08/01/2007 12:18:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I’ve seen all the movies.

And as we all know, movies are perfect copies of the books they're taken from, so that's just as good.
299 posted on 08/01/2007 12:19:18 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: Tax-chick
I think Scrimgeour is more of a Lincoln type - blow off the Constitution for the Bigger Purpose. Not to start a fight or anything ... it's definitely admirable, in a way, and certainly not an indicator of personal evil or weakness.

Uh oh! Careful with that! :-)

Actually, I really don't know enough about Lincoln (other than what I was taught in grade school) to really comment on that. Isn't that sad?

I think my next book should be a Lincoln biography.

300 posted on 08/01/2007 12:19:48 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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