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Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
ExileStreet ^ | 8/1/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA

I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sam’s Club and an indulgent wife.

I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.

And it is really finished . . .

Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?

I think the answer is only a tentative “yes.” If one knows the “puzzles” and “the secrets” of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.

The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.

A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some children’s books (Little White Horse) are better.

I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.

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To: Tax-chick
Can we find some connection to Ron Paul? That’ll really stir things up!

Ron Paul is definitely a muggle.

301 posted on 08/01/2007 12:20:59 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: TexasAg1996
Well the fact that the wizard population is so tiny despite being more powerful, thus having better survival traits. That and the existence of squibs.

Next up, abortion! Wait, is that not controversial enough? hmm...
302 posted on 08/01/2007 12:21:07 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ
“Oh, so it did not effect you but Ignatz is not capable of raising kids to be as virtuous as you?”

I am an adult and am capable of discerning when I am being presented with a pack of lies - such as is presented in HP.

303 posted on 08/01/2007 12:22:14 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ReignOfError

Your mother turned you on to “Office Space”?

You must have one of the coolest moms EVER. (You oughta get her a red Swingline.)


304 posted on 08/01/2007 12:22:20 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: The Blitherer

It’s always good to find a new subject for reading, and Lincoln is extremely interesting!


305 posted on 08/01/2007 12:22:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I wonder why several B&Ns I’ve visited set out a display table of HP books and then fill a table right next to it will serious occultism books?

1) define "serious accultism books."

B) Document that this has occurred. Dates, place, and if you have a camera in your cell phone, bonus. I somehow don't see any bookseller with half a brain stacking Aleister Crowley books around the Harry Potter display. It would be one for the all-time annals of dumb marketing, and B&N didn't get where it is by being stupid.

306 posted on 08/01/2007 12:22:28 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: TalonDJ
Well the fact that the wizard population is so tiny despite being more powerful, thus having better survival traits. That and the existence of squibs.

Darn it! I knew I skipped the evolution part too quickly.
307 posted on 08/01/2007 12:22:49 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: The Blitherer
I think my next book should be a Lincoln biography.

I am pretty sure he dabbled in the occult. I mean, just look at all that black clothing! The clearly not pointy hat was a deliberate obfuscation.
308 posted on 08/01/2007 12:23:20 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TexasAg1996
I'm stuck on the evolution bit...

Careful examination of the fossil record clearly shows that Grindlows are descended from Sea Monkeys.

309 posted on 08/01/2007 12:23:29 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TexasAg1996; TalonDJ
Wizards can apparate, so there's no sense in having any kind of borders, thus wizard immigration is OK.

But, what does it mean that you can't apparate in and out of Hogwarts? Hmmm???

310 posted on 08/01/2007 12:23:33 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: TexasAg1996; Corin Stormhands
He's like Thicknesse, the imperiused new Minister of Magic obeying and helping the enemy?

Now there's a sharp observation.

311 posted on 08/01/2007 12:24:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I am an adult and am capable of discerning

Hey, I bet that covers the teen male prostitute porn too eh? Handy!
312 posted on 08/01/2007 12:24:54 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Corin Stormhands
But, what does it mean that you can't apparate in and out of Hogwarts? Hmmm???

Securing your own home or a building is easy. You can't possibly secure a country. You couldn't, for example, build a fence on your southern border to keep out illegals. It's just not magically possible!
313 posted on 08/01/2007 12:24:55 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: The Blitherer; Tax-chick
Actually, I really don't know enough about Lincoln (other than what I was taught in grade school) to really comment on that. Isn't that sad?

That's frightening. My oldest came home from kindergarten and told us that the "South Americans killed Abraham Lincoln."

And we live in Virginia...

314 posted on 08/01/2007 12:25:10 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

>>Seems like people who aren’t supposed to be reading about witchcraft sure are spending a heckuva lot of time reading about it.<<

“I only came in here to get directions on how to get away from here!”


315 posted on 08/01/2007 12:25:48 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
But, what does it mean that you can't apparate in and out of Hogwarts? Hmmm???

Give me a sec... I am sure I can tie that to HP being anti homeschooling...
316 posted on 08/01/2007 12:26:21 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Corin Stormhands
South Americans killed Abraham Lincoln.

LOL!

I remember when my kids discovered that their friends next door had never heard of the Alamo.

317 posted on 08/01/2007 12:27:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Xenalyte
I only came in here to get directions on how to get away from here

*snort*

318 posted on 08/01/2007 12:27:59 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Actually I’ve put forth my argument multiple times. You keep fleeing in terror from that and then return to whining about how I think it’s creepy you talking about teenage male prostitutes is a good argument.

Let’s review shall we:
There is no occult in HP.
There is nothing similar to real world occult in HP.
This is made clear early on in the first HP book and movie (and repeated throughout) when we learn that Harry does “magic” even though he knows nothing about it.
Your “sources” are crap, you’ve got a supposedly pagan organization that no one ever heard of and if you go to their website it’s clear they aren’t actually very much of an organization; a general secretary to a teacher’s organization who doesn’t actually know anything about the occult; and a bunch of condemning “Christians” who not only think Harry Potter is evil but also include Mormon and Jehovah’s Witnesses on their evil list.

So there it is again the argument I’ve put forth multiple times, and that you keep ignoring to whine about other stuff. You really should stop lying, you know I’ve made these arguments, you know they win, you know you have no facts. Trying to say I haven’t presented an argument is just pathetic and lame at this point. You’re wrong, man up and admit it. Stop aligning yourself with the worst elements of “Christianity” (those people really aren’t Christian) and work with the truth.


319 posted on 08/01/2007 12:28:40 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: TalonDJ; Corin Stormhands
But, what does it mean that you can't apparate in and out of Hogwarts? Hmmm???

It means they're protectionist xenophobes.

320 posted on 08/01/2007 12:28:49 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: TalonDJ
Give me a sec... I am sure I can tie that to HP being anti homeschooling...

Well, in the 7th book, the government forces all the students to go to school and makes homeschooling illegal. Of course, Voldemort is in charge of the government at the time, so I don't know how good a point that would be.

:-)

321 posted on 08/01/2007 12:29:03 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: I still care

Regret is the key to allowing his soul to be healed. One cannot repent without regret seems to be part of the message and one that I agree with. It is impossible for Man to repent that he does not regret.


322 posted on 08/01/2007 12:29:45 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Lil'freeper; TalonDJ
It means they're protectionist xenophobes.

You say that like itsuhbadthing...

323 posted on 08/01/2007 12:30:22 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Xenalyte
Your mother turned you on to “Office Space”?

Yup. We were both working in cubicles at the time, and swapped Dilbert strips. I don't care who you are, if you have ever worked in a cubicle, Office Space has something to say to you.

I knew it was a movie from the Beavis and Butthead guy that did mediocre box office and got middling reviews. Mom told me I had to see it, and I trusted her, an instinct that never steered me wrong.

You must have one of the coolest moms EVER. (You oughta get her a red Swingline.)

Sadly, she's not around any more. But before she passed, she found herself a red Swingline, which I inherited.

324 posted on 08/01/2007 12:31:32 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Tax-chick
I remember when my kids discovered that their friends next door had never heard of the Alamo.

Funny thing is, I learned about the Alamo from watching TV. My parents had me watch reruns of that old Davy Crockett show. When he dies at the Alamo at the end, it was very crushing for a 7 year old, so I decided to read up about it.

I guess TV isn't ALL bad. ;-)

325 posted on 08/01/2007 12:31:56 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: ReignOfError
1) Books that I later found in the Occultism and Witchcraft isle.

B) (B?) I will gladly send you the info in a private email if you wish. It occurred at a B&N around Halloween time. I was so shocked I wanted to take a picture but I had no camera. I simply couldn’t believe it. What’s more, this table was right at the entrance to the children’s section.

I’ve seen the same thing done on several occasions.

326 posted on 08/01/2007 12:32:35 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Ignatz

(in my best Kelly Bundy voice) Hey . . . HEEEEEY!


327 posted on 08/01/2007 12:32:47 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; PetroniusMaximus
Seems like people who aren’t supposed to be reading about witchcraft sure are spending a heckuva lot of time reading about it.

*snort* Not just reading, bur OBSESSING about it!

I, and our two youngest, both teens, have read each of the books at least twice, but none of us have obsessed about the fantasy world of witches and wizards represented in them. SirKit hasn't read them, but then, he mostly reads non-fiction.

328 posted on 08/01/2007 12:33:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: TexasAg1996
You can't possibly secure a country.
Nonsense! We just have to enforce existing laws! And use Veritaserum on employers suspected of hiring illegals.
329 posted on 08/01/2007 12:35:10 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: SuziQ
John Cleese was outstanding reading "The Screwtape Letters"

I have to look for that recording. That's an inspired combination. Of course, Cleese could read the want ads, and I could listen o that for at least an hour.

330 posted on 08/01/2007 12:35:28 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: TalonDJ
Nonsense! We just have to enforce existing laws! And use Veritaserum on employers suspected of hiring illegals.

But then, politicians won't be able to buy the illegal wizard vote, and the wizard business lobby would stop contributing. It just doesn't work! :)
331 posted on 08/01/2007 12:36:48 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: TalonDJ

Bring in a couple million House Elves and the cheap labor lobby would forget all about it’s affection for illegals!


332 posted on 08/01/2007 12:37:02 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PetroniusMaximus; ReignOfError
It occurred at a B&N around Halloween time.

So, lemme get this straight...

Barnes and Noble had a display of occult/witchcraft books out at Halloween and that makes Harry Potter evil because???

Good Grief Charlie Brown...

333 posted on 08/01/2007 12:37:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: SuziQ
but none of us have obsessed about the fantasy world of witches and wizards represented in them.

Me either!

*hides his pointy hat*
334 posted on 08/01/2007 12:38:13 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Corin Stormhands
Barnes and Noble had a display of occult/witchcraft books out at Halloween and that makes Harry Potter evil because???

That one little factoid changes the whole scenario, doesn't it?
335 posted on 08/01/2007 12:39:19 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: Pippin
Ole Voldy and Carville! Separated at birth! LOL!

Well, Carville's wife and family DO call him 'Serpent Head". ;o)

336 posted on 08/01/2007 12:39:28 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I almost forgot about the rampant SLAVERY in the HP books. Clearly pure evil. Money after all is the root of all evil so if Rowling was not evil before she sure is now ;-D
337 posted on 08/01/2007 12:39:55 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Mercat
Actually, most libraries have some downloadable books. Check out the website.

Not mine, not yet. But I'm sure they'll get there soon. For voracious readers, there has never bee a better time to be alive.

338 posted on 08/01/2007 12:39:58 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Hogwarts has a border fence.


339 posted on 08/01/2007 12:40:31 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: TexasAg1996
That one little factoid changes the whole scenario, doesn't it?

I can only assume we'll be hearing of the evils of candy corn and mini-Snickers bars.

340 posted on 08/01/2007 12:41:06 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: SuziQ; Pippin
Well, Carville's wife and family DO call him 'Serpent Head". ;o)

And if that swill he spews isn't Parseltongue, I don't know what is...

341 posted on 08/01/2007 12:42:15 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: TalonDJ

And the bankers are GOBLINS!


342 posted on 08/01/2007 12:42:37 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PetroniusMaximus
But lets say they were written in such a wayu that children found them interesting...

Since I chose the books my children read, when they were younger, it wouldn't matter. Since they are now almost 18 and 20, they can choose their own. If they DID read a story written about such carp, I'm sure they'd recognize it as such, and not be encourage to act like the characters in the book, because they KNOW better.

343 posted on 08/01/2007 12:43:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: PetroniusMaximus
From the website:
1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are evil.
"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12
Ok, I believe what it says: those who PRACTICE ACTUAL WITCHCRAFT are NOT Christians in the eyes of the Lord. Maybe you do, but I do not personally know anyone who began practicing actual witchcraft due to the influence of Harry Potter books and/or movies. Do YOU know anyone, personally, who has done so?

2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its power to change beliefs and values.
"But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24
That first is an OPINION about a FILM. The same could be said for that old claymation show, Davy and Goliath, with the Christian boy and his TALKING DOG! You do realize that in the practice of Voodoo, it is common to cast spells that cause animals to speak in human voices, don't you? So, is Davy and Goliath trying to convert children away from Christianity and towards Voodoo? COULD it cause them to seek out information about Voodoo? What about your TALKING VEGETABLES in Veggie Tales? That's certainly "founded in fantasy", is it not?
The verse cited is taken out of context and does NOT even support the opinion. God does not assume we are all to stupid to use the gift of free will He gave us.

3. Each occult image and suggestion prompts the audience to feel more at home in this setting.
BZZZZT! An OPINION once more. Perhaps the author felt this way. I certainly did not. Continues:
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness.... Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21
Fortunately, it says NOTHING about those who call the "harmlessly entertaining" evil!

4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what is good
This one asuumes that Harry Potter movies are evil. It tries ti use the premise to support itself. It is circular logic.

5. Immersed in Hogwarts' beliefs and values, children learn to ignore or reinterpret God's truth.
Not MY children. They are growing up with an understanding of God. They are of strong Christian minds and can discern.

6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny
As does belief that Harry Potter movies have a bigger impact on children than a loving, Christian home.

Look, I read every one of the reasons on that website and I can't find a single PROOF that Harry Potter books and movies are designed the thwart the will of God and/or cause children to turn away from God. Furthermore, even if that WAS the case, children properly raised in loving, Christian homes have little if anything at all to fear.
I could use those exact same arguments to "reason" that that watching a David Copperfield's "magic" act is equally dangerous.

344 posted on 08/01/2007 12:44:33 PM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Corin,

There was a table display - half HP & half real occultism.


345 posted on 08/01/2007 12:45:15 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TalonDJ

Weak minded FOOL, you!!


346 posted on 08/01/2007 12:45:28 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
I can only assume we'll be hearing of the evils of candy corn and mini-Snickers bars.

My bathroom scale says they are of Satan... but it has been known to lie.
347 posted on 08/01/2007 12:45:29 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ; Tijeras_Slim

I can’t believe nobody’s mentioned interracial dating yet.


348 posted on 08/01/2007 12:46:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: TalonDJ

Evil does walk at Halloween, how else can you explain the tykes making the rounds with their UNICEF boxes?


349 posted on 08/01/2007 12:47:04 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PetroniusMaximus
There was a table display - half HP & half real occultism.

If you know anything about retail, you know that economy of space is a major issue.

But thanks for admitting that Harry Potter isn't "real occultism."

350 posted on 08/01/2007 12:47:48 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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