Skip to comments.Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA
I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sams Club and an indulgent wife.
I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.
And it is really finished . . .
Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?
I think the answer is only a tentative yes. If one knows the puzzles and the secrets of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.
The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.
A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some childrens books (Little White Horse) are better.
I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.
(Excerpt) Read more at exilestreet.com ...
Ah, so THAT'S why Ron says at the end that everyone is staring, because he's famous! ;o)
Well she IS a *cough*mudblood but I was too polite to point it out...
That is quite admirable, PM. Many, many more parents should do that very thing. My opinion is that you are being led away from REAL dangers (like BRATZ dolls?) and being kept busy "burning cycles" on Harry Potter.
Oh, yes, he would live his life and still be funny and grounded, but he would be twinless and people who lose twins never really get over it.
I had a taste of that kind of loss when I lost my beloved sister who was also my best friend. There’s always a big empty space.
Oh, carp! Now you've gone and done it!
Well I love politics and I love Harry Potter. I have seen all the movies and bought all the books. I have not read the last book yet, but I surely will and I’ll still be ate up with politics.
I think you can buy flame-proof underwear in bulk on Ebay. You're gonna need LOTS!
“If you know anything about retail, you know that economy of space is a major issue.”
A table, in front of the children’s section, with half HP and half real occultism???
Are you serious?
“But thanks for admitting that Harry Potter isn’t “real occultism.”
HP isn’t “real” occultism in the sense that it is a how-to manuel on spell casting or demonology - but it contains real occult practices and similar termenology.
Praise the Lord and pass the Rosary beads...
It's very true. I have a friend who is a triplet, and she took Fred's death really hard. Even harder than I did, and he was one of my favorites. It just hit a really soft spot for her.
Is that something like buying music from Napster?
1 - non sequitur, since there isn’t that stuff in the HP books God’s opinion on such stuff doesn’t apply
2 - more of the same non sequitur, that bad stuff isn’t there so it’s potential “effect” on the audience is non-existent
3 - more of the same, there aren’t occult images and suggestions
4 - more of the same, HP isn’t evil, and saying it over and over doesn’t make it so, if repetition made a lie truth then there really would be global warming and the Clinton presidency would have been the most honorable of the 20th century
5 - Laughably idiotic and, like everything else on that site, completely without truth or proof
6 - Always a favorite of the “it’s evil” crowd, “it’s an inner change”, basically an argument that just exists to allow the arguer to ignore the millions of people who’ve done just what they say you shouldn’t and suffered none of the consequences they insist are inevitable, it’s the worst kind of paranormal pseudo-logic that allows them to insist they’re right even after they’ve been proven wrong
7 - Absolutely ridiculous, the idea that action figures making something a belief system is just silly
8 - Utterly false, there is no implied source behind Harry’s magical feats and there are no occult practices, we’ve been over this you should stop quoting liars, isn’t there something in Revelations about the appearance of liars claiming to do God’s work? Well these people are lying like politicians 10 points down in the polls
9 - Wow do they ever pile up the silliness, of course it’s no surprise they started with a false assumption (and we all know about ass-u-me don’t we) and then put a bunch of logical fallacies on top of it
10 - More silliness, there’s nothing anti-God about HP
11 - funny a bunch of bald faced liars whining about the occasional rule bending in HP, I don’t remember the kids out right lying
12 - back to the old non sequiturs
So just like your other stuff your “proof” proves nothing, is from a source that demonstrably knows nothing about HP or the occult. And you push it forth like it has meaning when it clearly does not. No surprise there, sadly enough. The condemners never bother themselves with silly things like truth, logic, research or knowledge, they just spew lies and repeat them.
“That one little factoid ...”
Or as my cousin, Betsy, used to say when she was little, and just learning her prayers;
"Hail, Mary, full of grapes"
Vengence, perhaps, but then justifying vengence is not the point of the book.
Real occult practices? Oh, I forgot, you've learned everything from seeing the movies, not reading the books.
I will give you one thing. There's a lot of "spelling" in Harry Potter.
And it's done correctly.
Is "How-to Manuel" some sort of Indian/Hispanic code language?
Harry Potter Books 1, 2 & 3
The Occult Parallel
|Book 1, page 51: Harry is invited to attend Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry where:
||A person is INVITED to join an occult order
|The first book is called, Harry Potter and The Sorcerers Stone.||Occultists use sorcerers stones to transmute substances from one to another.|
|Book 1, page 66. Harry is informed about how much work goes into becoming a wizard and about how much there is to study. The book tittles listed, while not actual books, are significant.||The content Harry has to study includes: Astrology, Herbology, Astronomy (book 1, p. 133), Channeling power, how to use magick wands and practicing rituals. The titles of the books listed closely align to actual occult book.|
|Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry:
Book 1, page 90-94 to get to the school, people have to go through a portal and get on a train.
|The entire school of Wizardry and Witchcraft is a creative visualization and exists on the astral plane- not on the physical plane. You can't get to it unless you go through the portal at the train station. This is why the rooms in the school move around. See Role-Playing Games & Popular Occultism|
|Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is organized:
||Parallels any occult order:
No one confronts the power of an Imperator. No one is more powerful than he. He rules the order.
|Harry learns how to cast spells.||Occultists manipulate elemental spirits, demonic entities, servitors, etc., as well as circumstances and people through spells, acts of will, creative visualizations, and ritual spells for their own benefit. (destruction spells, death spells)|
|Book 1, p. 114: There are four houses within the Hogwarts School: Slytherin, Ravenclaw, Gryffindor and Hufflepuff.||Each one probably represents an element. Air. Earth. Water. Fire. Since Hogwarts exists on the astral plane, that takes care of the fifth element - ethers. We do not know this yet by the end of book three.|
|Book 1, 66. Harry has a spell book||Grimore -- and occultist's personal book of incantations.|
|Voldemort wants the sorcerer's stone so he can "create" a new body for himself.||There really is a sorcerer's stone -- no comment on what it does or how it's used -- just know that it IS!|
|In Harry Potter, the "will in action" is a strong theme that runs throughout the story line.||The will in action is a direct reference tot he laws of Thelma, more specifically, the first law upon which all other laws hinge: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Nothing supersedes the will. The supreme will rules."|
Voldemort wants the sorcerer's stone so he can "create" a new body for himself.
|There really is a sorcerer's stone - no comment on what it does or how it's used -- just know that it IS!|
In Harry Potter, the "will in action" is a strong theme that runs throughout the story line.
|The will in action is a direct reference to the laws of Thelema, more specifically, the first law upon which all other laws hinge: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Nothing supersedes the will. the supreme will rules."|
|Book 1, p. 53. Harry was told that his parents died in a car crass. Actually they were psychically murdered.||In the occult world, people "die" by "accident" or "natural causes."|
|Book 1, p.164. Hedwig- Harry's pet owl. All the students at Hogwarts get and send their messages by owl.||Actually, Hedwig and all the other owls are familiar spirits. In the occult -- familiar spirits are used to convey messages from one occultist to others.|
|Book 1, p.130-133. Harry returns to his dormitory room through a "portrait hole." The portrait asks for a password.
Book 2, p. 300. The sink - another example of a portal and how to open it up.
|Portrait hole = portal - the opening between the physical plane and the astral plane through which entities move back and forth. Portals open with the correct words.|
|Book 1, p. 138 and Book 3, p. 2. Harry uses a quill pen, ink and parchment paper to document his magical spells.||Standard occult practice -- all occultists learn to document their spells in the initial stages of their training.|
|Book 1, p. The author gives a description of what is referred to as Quirrell's master.
Harry could see a face on the back of Quirrell's head.
Quirrell is strengthened by unicorn blood, the Elixir of Life (book 1, p. 293). He drinks blood.
|This is a description of a real psychic vampire. The face says, "See what I have become, mere shadow and vapor. I have form only when I can share another's body. But there have always been those willing to let me into their hearts and minds." (Book 1, p. 293)
Psychic vampires are real. Drinking blood is strictly forbidden in the Scriptures.
|Book 1, p. 291. "There is no good and evil, there is only power and those too weak to seek it."||Power is the greatest central them in the occult world. There is no god and no devil in the occult world. There is ONLY POWER.|
|Book 1, p. "Always use the proper name for things -- fear of a name of anything increases fear of the thing itself."||Harry is being instructed in how to purge fear. All emotion, in the occult world is purged out of a person. Fear could mean death.|
|Book 2, p. 20-21. Harry broke the decree for the restriction of underage wizardry because he had just done serious magick. He gets a reprimand. He does it again in book 3 when he attacks Aunt Marge. (p. 28-30)||AKA - he broke the rules of discretion that every occultists is well aware of. Occultist NEVER break the rules of discretion.|
|End of book 2 (p. 317, 322) A young girl gets possessed; you see a conjurative being that threatens to kill. Harry kills a certain conjured spirit (a snake) with a special sword.||These passages are an indirect reference to Kaballah, the Tree of Life, the Kundalini (snake) and the Sword of Kerubum. "SELF" is the source of power.|
|Book 2, p. 52 mentions a "Hand of Glory."
Book 3, p. 208. Hit Wizards.
|These are references to items used in VERY NEGATIVE magick.|
|Book 2 explains why Voldemort is the way he was (a psychic vampire) in book one. Harry doesn't understand Voldemort until Dumbledore explains him.
In trying to protect Harry from a psychic attack on his life by Voldemort, Harry's mother took the attack on herself and she died. When she took on the full brunt to the attack, she absorbed most of the energy.
Harry absorbed some to the knowledge of Voldemort, but when the energy returned to Voldemort, it destroyed his body. That is why, in book 1, we see him as a psychic vampire -- he needs to have a host body.
|Rowling gives a perfect description of the difference between demons and fallen angels on the physical plane in this example of Voldemort. She writes that Voldemort once had a body, then he didn't now he does when he attaches himself to other people. This is the way demonic entities exist in the physical world. They need a physical body in which to manifest.
Angels, holy or fallen, do not need physical bodies to manifest -- they can make their own bodies on the physical plane.
When occultists repel a psychic attack, they absorb some of the knowledge of the individual that attacked them. In Harry's case, he absorbed the ability to speak snake (and other special capacities) from Voldemort.
|Book 2, p. 314-322. Rowlings describes an occult war: Voldemort says he's the greatest sorcerer in the world and Harry says that Dumbldore is the greatest wizard in the world. Then a fawkes, a phoenix and a sorting hat show up to defend and fight for Harry. Voldemort gave Harry permission to use the tools Dumbledore sent him. Harry defeats Voldemort.||Occult wars are fought on the spiritual level. This story line is straight psychic metaphor. Harry found the weakness in Voldemort's existence and capitalized on it. There are references to items used in VERY NEGATIVE magic.|
|Book 3, p. 247. The Dementor's kiss.||Lupin explains that when dementors wish to destroy someone utterly, they suck the soul out of the person through their mouth. "You can exist without your soul, you know, as long as your brain and heart are still working."|
|Book 3, p. 250, 251. Hermione is reading a Rune translation.|
|Book 3, p. 426, 427. Harry has a conversation with Dumbldore regarding saving Pettigrew's life. Dumbledore tells Harry that when one wizard "saves another wizard's life, it creates a bond between them. This is magic at its deepest and most impenetrable."||This bond and debt is called an ON in the occult world.|
|Harry does not know that he can talk in the language of snakes. You get an inkling of this in books 1, page 28. When Harry has a conversation with the boa constrictor, he thinks the snake is talking English, when, in fact, it is Harry that is talking "snake."
The conversation with a snake comes up again in book 2, page 194. In a class titled "Defense Against the Dark Arts," a snake is ready to attack one of the members of his group, Justin, and Harry tells the snake to stop. The snake obeys immediately. People were astounded that Harry could speak snake.
|Those who practice the many forms of familiar magick have the ability to communicate with animals. I.e.: horse whisperers, medicine men, etc.|
|Book 3, p. 28-30. Harry attacks his aunt Marge for her disparaging comments about him and his family by placing a swelling spell on her.||This is a psychic attack. Harry's lightening bolt scar on his forehead is a symbol of his psychic strength. The lightening bolt is similar in nature to the occult "Sword of the Cherubim."|
|Book 3, p. 133. Harry's class practices on a bogart to remove whatever fear they have. A bogart is an entity which morphs into whatever anyone is afraid of. It is a shape shifter and will change itself into "whatever it thinks will frighten us most."||Bogarts, called something else in the occult world, are real. They are used in occult training as practice for conquering fear and for perfecting their craft.|
|Book 3, p. 83. Harry has a confrontation with several dementors. These creatures are similar to vampires that can suck the positive energy out of a person. They cause a person to be confronted with their own evil and what the person fears. Harry is not successful in deriving the dementors away on his own. In book 3, p. 236-237, Lupin teachers him a spell to put a barrier between him and the dementors.||In the occult, psychic vampires are similar to dementors. They feed on the emotional energy of people. Fear is a strong emotion that dementors feed on.|
Oh, I’m not so easily offendable. And thanks for the compliment! :)
I’m on almost all Potter threads, because they contain the easiest people to stir up.
Well, since they're written as FICTION, they're not supposed to be the truth. I certainly don't get confused between fiction and non-fiction.
So which website did you (once again) block quote this from, in your continuing lame attempt to prove something or other?
Why did they choose the back side of the HP table and why did they put it directly in the entrance to the children's section?
We'll always have Hogsmeade...
Well, she never actually specified "rape", but that can pretty well be inferred I think.
I found this to be a very interesting incident in the book. On the one hand, there's not a lot of condemnation for what Dumbledore's father did to those boys. But there's also no hand-wringing over his prison sentence for it.
It seemed to me like Rowling was saying she can understand and sympathize with the father's reaction, but she also agree's that such actions will have consequences.
Mr. Maximus, what you’ve just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
And thus, another entry into the Freeper lexicon is born!
Oh CARP! Where did I leave my keys?
Here's looking at you Kid.
“:Well, since they’re written as FICTION, they’re not supposed to be the truth. I certainly don’t get confused between fiction and non-fiction.”
A fiction that represented God as a woman would still be a lie.
That's what you say when you're Patronus is Jabba the Hut...
Kind of like listening to Alan Rickman. I tried reading Thomas Hardy's "Return of the Native" once. Like to have DIED of boredom. Found it in the library on audiotape with Rickman reading it. What a GREAT story!
“If whoever wrote taht got that wrong they can’t know much about any sort of the occult.”
Open your eyes and keep reading.
I did, and I felt myself growing stupider.
Hey! That's part of the plot from an old Charles Bronson movie!
Has anyone used the picture of Dumbeldore with the “Not this @#@! again” caption yet?
Seriously though, I have no problem with the fact certain people feel Harry Potter books are bad. Good for you. But has one of these threads ever convinced anyone of that, or have any of us who like the books ever been able to convince those who believe they are evil that they are wrong? Both camps should just leave one another alone.
Sorry - forgot.
LOL! True, and only really understandable by others who speak the same language!
Don’t Boggart that leading man!
I remember seeing this one a few years years ago. A gigantic pack of lies, half truths, and “what the hell are these idiots talking about”.
Let’s start with the fact that Harry, and other children capable of it, performs magic before he knows there is such a thing as wizards. So while he is “invited” to join a school to learn to control his powers, he could not go to the school and would still have his powers. In fact this is discussed in book 7 when it is mentioned that there are wizard parent who home school their wizard children. So he is NOT an initiate, is is NOT learning witchcraft in the real world sense, and all life is about learning to conquer fear.
And that’s as far as I’m bothering to go. If you want to read my point by point argument with this very pack of lies, find the thread of me talking to Aquinasfan around 2001. It’s an old list, as you can tell by the fact that it only bothers with the first 3 books, and it’s all BS. The fact that you’re turning to antiquated packs of lies just shows you’re getting desperate.
An illustration of a fiction used to present a lie.