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Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
ExileStreet ^ | 8/1/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA

I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sam’s Club and an indulgent wife.

I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.

And it is really finished . . .

Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?

I think the answer is only a tentative “yes.” If one knows the “puzzles” and “the secrets” of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.

The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.

A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some children’s books (Little White Horse) are better.

I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childrensbooks; christianity; culture; deloresumbridge; harrypotter; hillaryumbridge; kidbooks; nooccultpractices; strictly4kids; threaddementorsalert; tinfoilwitcheshat
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To: Corin Stormhands

“I give up.”

We’re not talking about great literature here. A book - a movie, big difference. I’m sure if the differences were that big there would be a general outcry on the part of the Potterheads.


501 posted on 08/01/2007 2:07:09 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: dmz

Curse you Ozzie Newsome, curse you!!!

I got nothing after the two beatings you gave us last year.


502 posted on 08/01/2007 2:07:30 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I don’t need to read her description of automatic writing - it is a black art. It doen’t matter whether the film does it justice or not.

Actually in the book it is portrayed in an extremely negative light.
503 posted on 08/01/2007 2:07:31 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Corin Stormhands
Why would I need to read the books when I’ve seen the movies?

I give up.

Well, at least he's honest about his ignorance. And he still didn't answer this one.

Here's a 'what if' for you. What if your children were REQUIRED to read the HP books as part of a lesson on occultism in society? Would you allow that?

504 posted on 08/01/2007 2:07:48 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
We’re not talking about great literature here. A book - a movie, big difference. I’m sure if the differences were that big there would be a general outcry on the part of the Potterheads.

You clearly have never looked around to see how people felt about the movies...
505 posted on 08/01/2007 2:07:58 PM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: Ignatz
In the interest of full-disclosure, I must admit to having a desire spring into my heart after reading a book. I wanted dearly to build a log raft and lazily float down the Mississippi river with a friend. Guess which book!

Has it been banned because it has the N-word in it?

506 posted on 08/01/2007 2:08:20 PM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: TalonDJ
automatic writing - it is a black art

It's got nothin' on my boss's powerpoint slides.

507 posted on 08/01/2007 2:08:59 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: dmz

So what you’re saying that Rowling is REALLY an American citizen,and she runs the Council of Foreign Relations.


508 posted on 08/01/2007 2:09:54 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
We’re not talking about great literature here. A book - a movie, big difference. I’m sure if the differences were that big there would be a general outcry on the part of the Potterheads

Since you wouldn't read them or follow the Potterheads, how would you know ANY of the differences or omissions? Nothing like being less than half-informed. Hope you don't work in any professional capacity, I'd be worried about the quality.

509 posted on 08/01/2007 2:10:41 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
We’re not talking about great literature here. A book - a movie, big difference. I’m sure if the differences were that big there would be a general outcry on the part of the Potterheads.

Not true. Some "Potterheads" raise a big outcry each movie complaining about everything that is left out. Those that don't are the ones who understand how much is lost in translation between a book and a movie.

510 posted on 08/01/2007 2:11:23 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

They can take away my membership card for saying this, but I can’t stand the stuff myself. Unfortunately, since I already have Ohio license plates, if I drink anything else while tailgating the crowd starts suspecting I am a closet Browns fan and things get ugly.


511 posted on 08/01/2007 2:11:57 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: discostu

“Way to doge the point.”

I made the point. You just don’t like it.

Besides, I remember you saying something like “There’s ABSOLUTELY NO OCCULTISM in HP” -— now you are arguing over shades of meaning in occult practices!!!


512 posted on 08/01/2007 2:12:14 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Why would I need to read the books when I’ve seen the movies?

Please, I implore you: back slowly away from the computer. You're really making yourself look bad, here.

513 posted on 08/01/2007 2:12:39 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Mom MD
My children understand that witchcraft is an abomination, and I have not found one of them trying to cast a spell after reading Harry Potter.

See! The Imperturbable Charm works!

514 posted on 08/01/2007 2:12:40 PM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Well everyone knows powerpoint is a gate way to the world of El Diablo. Just look at its name fer cry’n out loud!


515 posted on 08/01/2007 2:12:45 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Steelerfan

That’s dedication.


516 posted on 08/01/2007 2:13:34 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Politicalmom
So what you’re saying that Rowling is REALLY an American citizen,and she runs the Council of Foreign Relations.

Well she did help fake 9/11...
517 posted on 08/01/2007 2:14:30 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: discostu; PetroniusMaximus
Oh he’s back on the teenage male prostitute thing. Let me guess, you recently got back from Thailand?

Thailand???

518 posted on 08/01/2007 2:14:41 PM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: Cymbaline

” Please, I implore you: back slowly away from the computer. “

You can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. HP is pure occultims in an “entertainment” form.


519 posted on 08/01/2007 2:15:42 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: null and void; discostu

“Thailand???”

discostu was having trouble sticking to the topic and thought he could make his point easier by attacking me personally.


520 posted on 08/01/2007 2:17:10 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TalonDJ; Politicalmom
I'm sure you guys have seen this:

Mideast Press: New 'Zionist Plots' Involve Harry Potter, Darfur
Arutz Sheva ^ | 31 July 07 | Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

(IsraelNN.com) In two articles appearing in Middle Eastern newspapers this week, Islamist leaders pointed out what they said were new Zionist plots. In an Iranian publication, the worldwide Harry Potter phenomenon was declared a global Zionist conspiracy, while an Arab newspaper quoted a Sudanese leader blaming Jews for Sudan's own Arab-on-Black genocidal civil war. %ad%

Kayhahn, an Iranian publication closely affiliated with the ruling mullahs and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, called the Harry Potter series "a billion-dollar Zionist project." The Potter books were designed by Zionist plotters, according to the Kayhahn editorial, to "disrupt young minds." Khamenei had criticized Iran's Culture and Islamic Guidance Ministry for approving the distribution of the latest book in the Harry Potter series, which was released last weekend with much fanfare.

521 posted on 08/01/2007 2:17:37 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: I still care

Excellent!


522 posted on 08/01/2007 2:19:06 PM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: Neoliberalnot
It's a pity, isn't it. I've just read that in Italy all schoolchildren study The Divine Comedy. In America these days, college graduates couldn't even name the author of it, and then they grow to feed their own children this kind of fluff.
523 posted on 08/01/2007 2:19:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Pistolshot; Corin Stormhands

“What if your children were REQUIRED to read the HP books as part of a lesson on occultism in society? Would you allow that?”

Required by who?

And who is teaching the lesson?


524 posted on 08/01/2007 2:20:29 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Pistolshot; PetroniusMaximus

Have you heard of “Heather Has Two Mommies”?


525 posted on 08/01/2007 2:22:43 PM PDT by donna (Obama is a Moslem.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
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Duty calls. I'm out for a while.

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526 posted on 08/01/2007 2:23:23 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Well, it is still beer. And to paraphrase Franklin beer is proof there is a God and that He wants us to be happy.

Which, getting back to the Butterbeer reference, means that Harry Potter is in fact pro God.

Glad we figured that out.


527 posted on 08/01/2007 2:24:06 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: TalonDJ

Well with heavy metal there is the King Diamond problem, and the Glen Danzig problem. So there are actual satanist performers in heavy metal, of course they’ve never been big acts either, they don’t make Ozzy or AC/DC money. And with good reason, they kind of suck. But in the main section of heavy metal I think the satanist crowd is in line with the norm.

Some of that running to the things people warn them against is just rebellion. We all do some of it. To this day, even with my teenage years nearly 2 decades behind me, I don’t like cheeseburgers, and I know that the reason I don’t like cheeseburgers is my mom loved them and one of my first bits of rebellion was cheeseless burgers. Now I know cheeseburgers and your immortal soul are kind of a weak comparison but there are parts of that which hold true, part of setting up your own identity is picking things to rebel against, and sometimes it’s going to be matters of taste, sometimes it’s going to be rules, and sometimes it’s going to be warnings against legitimate danger.

That’s where it becomes important to teach your kid to think, the question for teenagers isn’t “are they going to do something stupid” it’s “were they given the tools necessary to survive”. And that’s one of the things I think the condemners miss, somewhere along the lines they started treating their faith like it’s fine china that needs to be protected, they forgot that faith is supposed to be a shield that protects you. by being constantly afraid of things that might maybe wound their kids’ faith they’re taking away their kids opportunity to use their faith. They should be instilled with enough faith to be able to listen to a Danzig album and say “that sucked”.


528 posted on 08/01/2007 2:24:32 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Let me rephrase... it has no connection to what is in the book. The right hand side passages have nothing to do with what is portrayed in the book.


529 posted on 08/01/2007 2:24:38 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: The Blitherer
Uh oh -- someone better tell them at Guantanamo, where it's the favorite reading. I doubt they read Arutz Sheva . . .
530 posted on 08/01/2007 2:24:44 PM PDT by maryz
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I’m curious. Are you trying to win an argument or are you trying to change minds? Either way, I would highly recommend educating yourself by reading the books first. One, you’ll know what you’re talking about, and two, you might gain a little more respect from those with whom you are arguing.


531 posted on 08/01/2007 2:25:11 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Xenalyte; PetroniusMaximus
Occultists use sorcerers’ stones to transmute substances from one to another.

Since this would seem to defy the laws of physics, I'm calling shenanigans on it.

I guess that Edward Teller must have been a very great wizard, or at least an alchemist, highly skilled in the occult, since he was able to transmute one substance into another: Taking hydrogen, and turning it into helium!

Mark

532 posted on 08/01/2007 2:25:18 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
You can’t seem to see the forest for the trees.

What I'm getting from you is a forest of non-sequiturs.

HP is pure occultims in an “entertainment” form.

You haven't produced a single bit of evidence that HP is occultism, that huge list you quoted from another site is nonsense, and you admit you haven't even read the books! And you ask what's the difference between the books and the movies? Have you EVER, in your entire life, seen a movie that was exactly like the book it was based on? Even close?

533 posted on 08/01/2007 2:25:23 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Steelerfan

Franklin never had Gennie Cream. :)


534 posted on 08/01/2007 2:25:23 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TalonDJ

I have certainly been in meetings where it has made it feel like purgatory...


535 posted on 08/01/2007 2:25:49 PM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: TalonDJ
To say nothing of those durn wrackspurts.

We have those in the upstairs hall bathroom. It's a disaster.

536 posted on 08/01/2007 2:27:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Revolting cat!
I've just read that in Italy all schoolchildren study The Divine Comedy.

Whoa! You're kidding me! In Italy, Italian schoolkids are reading the poetry of an Italian poet????

SHOCKING!!!

I feel so deprived. When I was in grammar school, I was reading junk by guys named Twain or Whitman or Melville (among others).

537 posted on 08/01/2007 2:28:53 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

No you didn’t make the point. You brought forth an old long list of lies. I pointed out one the lies, then you wiggled around to another side of it trying not to make it a lie, but you were wrong, it’s still a lie.

There is absolutely no occultism in HP, and the fact that they LIED about the whole “invite” thing is part of the proof of that. I’m not arguing over shade of meaning in occult practice I’m pointing out that the authors of that list LIED about how the events in HP “relate” to occult practices. There’s no there there. Harry can do magic with or without the invitation, he can do it all by himself without even know there is such a thing. THEY LIED, and now you’re defending them with MORE LIES. STOP LYING.


538 posted on 08/01/2007 2:28:54 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: discostu
Don't worry about him. It is the fear of what might happen that is motivating his actions.
539 posted on 08/01/2007 2:30:04 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

STOP LYING.


540 posted on 08/01/2007 2:31:03 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Duty calls. I'm out for a while.

We'll be listening for the flush.

541 posted on 08/01/2007 2:31:33 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: discostu

Cletus: "Reverend, that post 372's some powerful truth, ain't it?"
Reverend: "Indeed, Brother Cletus."
Nagini: "I hate muggles."

542 posted on 08/01/2007 2:31:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TalonDJ; dmz
Hey don’t forget that there is tacit approval for public breastfeeding too.

Sure, but it is totally over shadowed by the message calling for more gun control.

And the fact that Mundungus has to steal in order to afford food points up the need for Social Security reform and more outpatient alcholism-treatment clinics.

543 posted on 08/01/2007 2:32:29 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Dante, I read them in high school, on my own, for fun. And I read HP. You really need to can your sour grapes, it’s freaking pathetic and disgusting. Her writing is more successful than yours, get over it.


544 posted on 08/01/2007 2:32:54 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: The Blitherer

It’s the JOOOS!


545 posted on 08/01/2007 2:33:07 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Tanniker Smith

If you want crap masquerading as worthwhile poetry, you can’t do much better than Whitman.*

“I celebrate myself” . . . indeed, he does, and it’s about the only damn thing he knows how to do.

*Okay, except Thoreau. What a poser. “On Walden Pond,” my happy foot. “On my mother’s back forty” is more like it.


546 posted on 08/01/2007 2:33:36 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Cheese . . . milk's leap toward immortality.)
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To: Revolting cat!
It's a pity, isn't it. I've just read that in Italy all schoolchildren study The Divine Comedy. In America these days, college graduates couldn't even name the author of it, and then they grow to feed their own children this kind of fluff.

And yet, incredibly, I studied The Divine Comedy in high school AND read Harry Potter.

547 posted on 08/01/2007 2:34:07 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Must fight that brand of BS. Of course I don’t do it often. Can only put up with it once or twice a year, hard on the old ticker.


548 posted on 08/01/2007 2:35:24 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

thanks for the laugh.


549 posted on 08/01/2007 2:35:46 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: discostu

Laughter is what finishes a boggot off. ;)


550 posted on 08/01/2007 2:36:54 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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