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Breaking: Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis
KSTP TV 5/ME | 8/1/07 | Me

Posted on 08/01/2007 4:28:27 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Just turned on the news. 35W bridge collapsed in the Mississippi River. Cars, trucks, semis.....

Fires burning, tanker trucks, at least one school bus, more than ten cars......

Just now breaking.......


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 35w; bridge; bridgecollapse; bridges; btld; collapse; corrosion; engineering; infrastructure; jihad; minneapolis; mosques; mothman; prayerforminnesotans; rust; slownewsday; terroristattack; transportation; twincitiescell
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To: TBall

Look for the Union/Liberal label.


2,251 posted on 08/02/2007 3:36:54 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: acsuc99
I’m sick of them using these tragedies to bring up their agendas.

Nick Coleman of the St. Paul Pioneer Press has already blamed Republican tax cuts for this demise when in fact road taxes have been diverted to light rail (a fiasco in itself) and were vetoed on a 5 cent gas tax increase while gas prices have been $3.00+

The poor victims haven't been removed from the river yet and they are already playing this politically.

Despicable!

2,252 posted on 08/02/2007 3:36:56 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: toast

Yeah. If you click on “Incidents” then look for the two cameras that say “Other”.....click on camera 628. Camera 634 doesn’t really show anything.

This link will take you right to the “Incidents” page....http://www.dot.state.mn.us/tmc/trafficinfo/incidents.html


2,253 posted on 08/02/2007 3:36:56 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: acsuc99

Sure, if we weren’t in Iraq, we would have all kinds of Marines and Navy Seals available to go in and pull all of the people and cars out of the river.......

These jerks will stop at nothing to blame every single thing that’s wrong in this world on Bush and the WOT.


2,254 posted on 08/02/2007 3:40:13 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: Jedidah

Yes....it was. Harmonic resonance that did in the Tacoma Narrows bridge....

I don’t know if that’s what happened here... I’ve heard the train beneath it was causing a lot of vibration as well..

It could well be that chemical forces are the culprit here though... there are, today, some reports of know corrosion.

This will be a very interesting investigation..


2,255 posted on 08/02/2007 3:49:05 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I don’t understand why you (and others? it was way earlier) seem to think it’s easy to blow up a building, without all the knowledge of where best to put the charges.

I don't think it's easy, but neither is setting the charges for a bridge.

2,256 posted on 08/02/2007 3:50:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Ramius

Absent any evidence otherwise, that is a very reasonable statement.


2,257 posted on 08/02/2007 3:54:09 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Bill O'Loofah is trying too hard to be moderate)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Has anyone mentioned that 40% of the 2.7 Trillion Dollar Budget goes to “Entitlements”, That’s 1 Trillion Dollars. Take some of this (lets say 20%) and go fix the infrastructure throughout the country. I’m sure there are other structures which are ready to fall down now that will kill others. This is supposed to be the job of our elected leaders, which who by the way new this bridge had a structural rating of 50 out of 120.


2,258 posted on 08/02/2007 3:54:52 PM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals want the U.S. Constitution Struck Down as Unconstitutional.)
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To: Lady Jag
"However if the rubber band effect (steel failures) is true, wherever the failure started, the bridge didn’t necessarily fall in order."

I didn't see this explanation using a rubber band as an analogy, and I wouldn't really use one. The video shows the the roadbed+all the steel in the trusses fell pretty much intact. Which means the roadbed was released at an expansion joint somewhere out of view in the pic. The pic also shows the east side leading the down fall, so the initial break (release of the roadbed) occurred somewhere around the SE post. The SW side then immediately gave way, because of both the torque applied from the missing SE support and the stress applied, because the whole section is falling and pulling away. That left the entire SW side free to fall straight down. The sopport on the N side just acted like an obstacle.

2,259 posted on 08/02/2007 4:05:45 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Camera 628 takes you there but only in real time. Nothing from the actual collapse.

Prayers continue for the ones who perished, the injured, their families, and the whole state of Minnesota.

God bless......


2,260 posted on 08/02/2007 4:06:44 PM PDT by LUV W (Thompson)
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To: PEACE ENFORCER

If Robert Byrd alone were to have some of his “goodies” removed from bills, we could pay for repairing the major part of America’s structures!


2,261 posted on 08/02/2007 4:08:03 PM PDT by LUV W (Thompson)
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To: FarRockaway

Interesting how both ends seem to have given way at once.


2,262 posted on 08/02/2007 4:12:21 PM PDT by Therapsid (Every other weekend however i enthusiastically support dangerous fantasy.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Jack Cafferty on CNN just now, about this collapse: how could the US “better” use the $2 billion a week being spent in Iraq...

Unbelievable. I’m not sure how I got parked on CNN, and I’m changing the channel.


2,263 posted on 08/02/2007 4:13:30 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: LUV W

Oh, right. Sorry I wasn’t clear. That’s real time, for certain. But, somewhere, there will be video, recorded, that is more than likely being very closely scrutinized by the experts.


2,264 posted on 08/02/2007 4:13:43 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: Lonely Bull
I’m not sure how I got parked on CNN, and I’m changing the channel.

Oh, and I'm darkly amused: as I was changing the channel, the channel had gone to commerical, and there was a "we never forget who we're working for" thing for Lockheed Martin. Nice disconnect between the ad and the barfalertworthy twaddle that came on right before it.

2,266 posted on 08/02/2007 4:18:37 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

I suggest you read my post again, Sir or Madam... Sheesh!


2,268 posted on 08/02/2007 4:58:13 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (I'm Puerto Rican, but I ain't no "Welfare Queen"!)
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To: jeffers

Lets say that one of the tension members in the center span (one on the bottom) had a fatigue crack that was ignored or missed. The bumper to bumper traffic and the construction equipment were too heavy for the remaining metal.

The tension member would snap. That side would start to fall straight down. It would pull the other side out of vertical and that would fail before it got very far off vertical. The center section would then fall straight down (although tipped slightly since one side got a head start), pulling the supports on each bank towards the water. That is what it looks like in your photo.

Once those supports were gone, the bridge approach structures on both sides would fall, starting from the missing supports and working in both directions until it reached solid ground (or very close to it).

BTW, the researchers will be looking for a piece that has a crystalline (brittle) crack for about half its width. That part will be rusty because it took YEARS to develop. The rest of the break will be ductile and have little rust (only that which forms from the yesterday to when they pull it out of the water). That will be the initiation point for failure.

Anyway, that is what my money is on.


2,269 posted on 08/02/2007 5:09:08 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Dead Corpse

“Nah... it couldn’t have been dollar diverted from the transportation bills into moronic things like “light rail” could it?”

What do you want the future to be, light rail or ity-bity electric cars ?

If the local people didn’t perform needed maintainence, or scream their heads off because they couldn’t ... blame them.


2,270 posted on 08/02/2007 5:24:33 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: yield 2 the right; Gondring

“A person with a Muslim/Arab name.... “

Barack Obama ?

Just what IS a Muslim/Arab name anyway ?

... and send the boys out to round up Karem abdul Jabbar and Muhaumd Ali for questioning - I’m sure they were in the area in the last year or so.


2,271 posted on 08/02/2007 5:34:23 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: P-Marlowe; Hillarys Gate Cult
You don't suppose that is what they are celebrating in Iran and Syria, do you? Me neither.

Careful, O'Reilly will accuse you of "hate" speech. (What a numnutz....:>)

2,272 posted on 08/02/2007 5:53:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: bert

Not all footings are on bedrock, nearly all are. Some “float” on a less than bedrock underpinning. I do not know about this bridge.


2,273 posted on 08/02/2007 5:56:20 PM PDT by bvw
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To: RS

that is out of context....


2,274 posted on 08/02/2007 5:58:43 PM PDT by yield 2 the right (APOLOGIZE OR RESIGN!!! CALL John Murtha AT 202-225-2065)
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To: Lizarde
first they say there are 50 cars in the rubble and in the water and then they say there were only 50 cars on the bridge and in video shots I can see about 30 cars/trucks etc. Anyway I’m puzzled by the coverage - nobody seems to know much of anything and they are right there on the scene.

I don't get it either. I been catching the news all day and not much is forthcoming about how many cars they have seen in the water so far. They are going to lower the water level tomorrow in hopes of making rescue less treacherous, and if that doesn't work, it was said they have no plan B yet. Poor families.

2,275 posted on 08/02/2007 6:00:54 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: AGENT_MOULDER

It’s funny that they are still not ruling out terrorism 24 hours later. Twin Towers, Twin City

I think the terror target would have been a packed or almost packed Metrodome for a Twins game.....


2,276 posted on 08/02/2007 6:00:55 PM PDT by yield 2 the right (APOLOGIZE OR RESIGN!!! CALL John Murtha AT 202-225-2065)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD; MinnesotaLibertarian

He/She read your post just fine. You were very clear in that and previous ones.

For the record, we have a rather conservative Republican Governor. We have one Republican Senator and one Democrat.

We have a State that is split about 50/50 on a lot of issues.

Keith Ellison the Muslim Congressman won in a primary with about 25% of the vote - there are no run-offs in MN. In the 5th district if you have a D behind your name you win.

They’ve told the cabbies at the airport that they work for the Met Airport Commission, do your job or leave.

Most areas of MN are very conservative. Have you ever seen the 2000 election red/blue map?

You are insulting all of us here in MN with your posts.

And here I thought most Freepers were more intelligent than to believe all of the liberal main stream media spin.


2,277 posted on 08/02/2007 6:08:08 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: spunkets; Lady Jag
The South end did indeed drop first. I wish there were another angle though.
I can't imagine the expansion assembly failing all at once.
Those assemblies are high strength steel plates with 2"-3" pins. Unless it pulled away from the face of the concrete approach slab or the anchors in the bridge deck failed.
This had to be a catostrophic underpinning/super-structure failure.
Either they chipped away too much concrete around the anchor bolts at the piers, or they created a point load in the wrong place.
2,278 posted on 08/02/2007 6:08:18 PM PDT by concretebob (I'm NOT pro-war, I'm ANTI - TERRORIST)
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To: crazyshrink; SE Mom

SE mom you are right. It was reported that rescuers stayed with dying victim/s and they gave their goodbyes.


2,279 posted on 08/02/2007 6:11:34 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Minneapolis Police Chief Dolan commented on that today, during one of the pressers.

I got a bit choked up over that....


2,280 posted on 08/02/2007 6:14:01 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: acsuc99

“Nothing and I mean nothing, can’t be politicized..”

That’s the whole point of radical leftism, of course. But you already knew that.


2,281 posted on 08/02/2007 6:17:19 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: ClarenceThomasfan; TomGuy; Minn. 4 Bush; sodpoodle; indylindy; fox0566

I know I’m late to the party, I can’t post from work. I was reading your comments today re Gretchen & Kiran.

Gretchen, Republican although a moderate one from MN.

Quote from Kiran Chetry during the 2000 primaries:

“Oh John Edwards? I think he’s just dreamy!”

That’s the last time I ever gave any credibility to anything coming out of Ms. Chetry’s mouth. I don’t care so much she’s a lib but the fact that she’s such an airhead she’d vote for someone because they’re “dreamy”?

*gag*


2,282 posted on 08/02/2007 6:17:40 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: EGPWS
I saw Katie Couric doing her horrible report. She said, (paraphrasing) "Gov Pawlenty has said that 80(?) percent of the bridges in Minnesota have a deficient rating."

And then she added "as if that makes us feel better"

What an utterly juvenile and irresponsible thing to say at this time and in this location.

She then read parts of Nick the Unbearable Liberal's column, proudly announcing it was from the sickle.

A truly shameless opportunist she is. Thanks Katie, for reminding me why I can't stand you. Now get out of Minnesota.

2,283 posted on 08/02/2007 6:20:33 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: terilyn
but the fact that she’s such an airhead she’d vote for someone because they’re “dreamy”?

What's more disturbing is that she finds Edwards "dreamy"!!!

2,284 posted on 08/02/2007 6:21:59 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: terilyn
Gretchen, Republican although a moderate one from MN.

Yreah well, Chuck Hagel is a Republican too.

Neither one of them is a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

2,285 posted on 08/02/2007 6:28:52 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

That’s “yeah”...


2,286 posted on 08/02/2007 6:29:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

There was a video of it actually collapsing on Fox News...some amateur film, but it was very chilling.

I hope they scrutinize it VERY carefully and get to the
bottom of what happened. I wish the finger-pointing
hadn’t already started, but we could have predicted
that it would.


2,287 posted on 08/02/2007 6:31:34 PM PDT by LUV W (Thompson)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

LOL! No kidding!


2,288 posted on 08/02/2007 6:32:15 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I’m confused as to why the family of the 60 yr. old woman who died were not told officially until about an hour ago.

Last nite they announced seven dead, today they brought it down to four.

This evening they announced the four identities. I had assumed when they announced the four dead last nite that they had the bodies in possession or in the hospital.

I wonder why they would wait so long to let the family identify the body or tell the family that they have this car in the water or under the bridge. I’m asking, due to the fact that the family gave interviews, and they seemed totally clueless.


2,289 posted on 08/02/2007 6:33:12 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Katie’s an idiot. MN is ranked #3 in the nation in our bridge inspection ratings. He said 80,000 bridges in the Country have a structural deficiencies rating which is true.


2,290 posted on 08/02/2007 6:33:14 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: concretebob

It dont take a rocket scientist to figure out that the top chord of that bridge failed first. Why arent there close up photos of the anchorage, etc by now.


2,291 posted on 08/02/2007 6:33:19 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: concretebob; spunkets
Have you tried monitoring Minneapolis' local TV stations? They had some structural engineers and a couple bridge inspectors on last night who you should hear.

http://www.kare11.com had a good feed last night.

Have you checked through all of YouTube's collection?

2,292 posted on 08/02/2007 6:33:32 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: terilyn
MN is ranked #3 in the nation in our bridge inspection ratings. He said 80,000 bridges in the Country have a structural deficiencies rating which is true.

Right, but she took every opportunity to try to spin it to make Pawlenty appear totally arrogant and uncaring. The usual spin.

2,293 posted on 08/02/2007 6:34:44 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: terilyn; SilvieWaldorfMD
Thank you terilyn. You saw the point I was making. We have plenty of good folks up here, as you well know. Even within St. Paul proper, where I live, there are a decent number of conservatives.

I also would like to note that this is rather ironic coming from a person from Maryland, a more liberal state than Minnesota. That’s not meant to be a knock on the whole state of Maryland - I’m sure there are plenty of good folks there too. But that’s the whole point - disparaging an entire state is completely uncalled for, especially right after a tragedy has struck in said state.

I also think it’s worth noting that politics don’t determine everything. Minnesota may be a “blue” state, but I find that most of it’s people (even the DFLers) are nice, genuine people. Minnesota liberals are generally different from the ones that live out on the coasts. That’s why I continue to be proud to call Minnesota home, high taxes and liberalism aside. Similarly, I’ve been to many “red” states, especially in the South, where I found the people to be very rude and off-putting. If you view your whole life through the lens of partisan politics, then you can’t possibly appreciate life.

Terilyn, I hope that all of your loved ones are safe. I’ve confirmed that all of mine are.

Silvie - perhaps you should come here sometime. You’ll find out how wrong your perceptions of our fine state are.

2,294 posted on 08/02/2007 6:37:15 PM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Lijahsbubbe
The usual spin.

It gets monotonous doesn't it?

2,295 posted on 08/02/2007 6:37:25 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
I don't know if you heard Soucheray's show today. Couric is an idiot, as if we didn't know that already.

According to the stats Joe had, Minnesota is third in the nation for bridge safety behind Nevada and Arizona. It breaks down to about 8% with varying degrees of deficiency on a scale from one to four. The 35 W bridge was a 2.

Most of the bridges that fell in the deficiency rating were there because the newer large trucks couldn't fit under them since the bridges were built, thus truck reroute roads.

The libs are in full "Katrina mode," spinning the truth to blame it all on evil conservatives.

Makes me want to vomit with all those poor peoples's bodies still floating in the river. The usual MSM spinmeisters are sheer evil in my mind. I don't know whether to laugh at the absurdity or cry.

2,296 posted on 08/02/2007 6:37:42 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Lijahsbubbe

All I can figure is mass confusion. We’re just not used to this sort of thing ‘round here.


2,297 posted on 08/02/2007 6:37:45 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: terilyn

8% in Minnesota......Not 80,000

Katie could screw up a one car parade......


2,298 posted on 08/02/2007 6:39:08 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
Minnesota liberals are generally different from the ones that live out on the coasts.

Yeah, they like their water salt free....

2,299 posted on 08/02/2007 6:41:13 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The scariest part of what Katie screwed up is that so many in this country will take those figures at face value and never question that they were completely wrong. Then...who gets blamed? The local guy who had it right....NOT Katie the Horrible who misquoted his figures!


2,300 posted on 08/02/2007 6:47:35 PM PDT by LUV W (Thompson)
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