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Breaking: Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis
KSTP TV 5/ME | 8/1/07 | Me

Posted on 08/01/2007 4:28:27 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Just turned on the news. 35W bridge collapsed in the Mississippi River. Cars, trucks, semis.....

Fires burning, tanker trucks, at least one school bus, more than ten cars......

Just now breaking.......


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 35w; bridge; bridgecollapse; bridges; btld; collapse; corrosion; engineering; infrastructure; jihad; minneapolis; mosques; mothman; prayerforminnesotans; rust; slownewsday; terroristattack; transportation; twincitiescell
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To: Solson; All
As has so often been the case, MS-NBC is doing an excellent job of covering these sad events. Also, their local NBC affiliate.

Keith Olbermann is also doing an excellent job. He's a very articulate and quite an intelligent man. So sad he's politically deranged.

551 posted on 08/01/2007 5:36:40 PM PDT by unspun (FREEP Bill O'Reilly about Iraq (and now, about FR))
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

How do you know its from 2005??????


552 posted on 08/01/2007 5:36:44 PM PDT by angelcindy (Where's the Fence?????)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

People are always a little excited when things like this happen.

Also, whenever there is a catastrophic failure there are lots of sounds and small events, some of which look like explosions. Remember all the people who swore they heard explosions with the World Trade? As things give, they “bang” - my guess is it is easy to confuse with an explosion.

No need to jump to conclusions here. Buildings and bridges are not new to sudden, catastrophic failure. This is just as easily an engineering problem.


553 posted on 08/01/2007 5:36:55 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: mware

I would expect that when the spans came down, the air under them had to be ‘blown out’ as the concrete spans fell...this might give the appearance of smoke etc. as the air rushed out from underneath the collapsing segments.

If I remember my physics correctly, an object will fall and accellerate at 9.8meters/sec2. So, if the bridge was 65 feet up it would take approx 2-2.5seconds to fall that distance so the speed at impact would be 100feet/second(?) so the air would have been blowing out pretty good, moving all sorts of dust and trash..

Just my really rough calcs...


554 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:06 PM PDT by GRRRRR (The Libtards are spoiling for a big fight!)
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To: Abigail Adams

Fox is mentioning WCCO now and that they (WCCO) are reporting at least one fatality.


555 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:06 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: DrGunsforHands; All

“Who says something like that?”

I’ve done live television where you are reporting on something as it’s happening and you have to think on your feet where things are changing right before your eyes.

You’ve got a producer talking in your ear telling you to take the feed from somewhere...wrap up because a break i coming up...feeding you updated info...pluse you’ve got assistants constantly handing you script to read and you’re trying to watch the monitor.

And you’re doing ALL of this at once.

Mis-steps and mis-phrased words happen.

I’m not defending Shep here...I’m just trying to give folks who don’t know an idea of the organized chaos going on that you don’t see.

My live reporting was the Ford Funeral...tame by comparison...I’d be pulling my hair out on this one.


556 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:19 PM PDT by txradioguy (In Memory Of My Friend 1SG Tim Millsap A Co. 70th Engineer Bn. K.I.A. 25 Apr. 2005)
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To: Always Right

Someone else said that they are probably better off there than trying to get home in this mess. If they called the game they’d have a lot more people in the way and in traffic.

It may have been intentional to keep the game on.


557 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:23 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: don-o

If you look at the damage, parts of the bridge pivoted up as the center span collapsed down. That would account for the reports of debris flying up.


558 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:27 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: All

Channel 5’s weather guy saw that severe thunderstorms will be moving into the area of the bridge collapse within a half hour or so.


559 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:31 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Petronski

It’s awful. They said on TV that a lot of people were heading to the Twins game around that time.


560 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:39 PM PDT by Palladin (Judge Munley is a nincompoop.)
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To: Dutch Tulip

Calm down Dutch Tulip.We don’t know that.


561 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:46 PM PDT by fatima (Baby alert,Baby Ava arrived 6-29-07 at 3 PM-she is 10 pounds:))
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To: Poser

Sometimes in very hot weather here the highway surface will buckle upwards, making a ridge in the road.


562 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:52 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: princess leah
Homeland Security just said that this doesn't "appear" to be a terrorist attack.............but it sure makes me wonder.

One woman said she saw big black smoke and the a loud bang.  Maybe construction, but it sure is suspicious to me.

563 posted on 08/01/2007 5:37:59 PM PDT by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: Solson

How about divers underwater installing charges after dark and then blowing things up remotely?


564 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:00 PM PDT by WestSylvanian
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To: All

UPDATES:

http://wcco.com/

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_213191448.html

Aug 1, 2007 7:30 pm US/Central

“I-35W Bridge Collapse Into Mississippi River”

Slideshow: I-35W Bridge Collapse

(WCCO)

ARTICLE SNIIPPET: “A maintenance project began about nine months ago repairing potholes and other concrete on the bridge. According to a spokesperson from the Mn-DOT, there was no work on the actual structure under the bridge.”
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http://www.kare11.com

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=261140

“35W Bridge near University Avenue Collapses”

Bridge Specs
[http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/bridges/pages/ms16.html ]

ARTICLE SNIPPET: “HCMC is in full emergency mode.”

ARTICLE SNIPPET: “That motorist told Joe Fryer that there was shaking from jack hammer and then the bridge just dropped.”


565 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:05 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: dawn53

I just noticed that train tracks go under the bridge on one side.


566 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:06 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: Weight of Glory

Usually, it’s not one single thing. As I said, the larger than normal weight plus metal fatigue plus corrosion. Any way just a guess.


567 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:11 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: Palladin

this is a huge disaster!!!!!!!!!


568 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:17 PM PDT by Halls (check out my profile and it will explain everything!(Vote for someone who will seal our borders!))
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To: Alberta's Child
I can only go by the words the reporter said, she said the lady in the red car said if it was 30 seconds later she does not think she would be alive.

She also said that objects were blowing upward and then there was downward movement.

569 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:18 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

It’s his automatic reply nowdays..not terrorism even before they check it out...


570 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:24 PM PDT by angelcindy (Where's the Fence?????)
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To: Weight of Glory
Or that crappy material would be used without many levels of checking.

I'm not sure, but I think a partial collapse on a Milwaukee bridge about 10 years ago was due to faulty materials. Ultimately they had to remove large sections of the bridge with explosives and rebuild.

571 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:27 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Praying for all involved. Even those who are rescued will have a lot to deal with.

Thanks for the prayer *PING*.


572 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:30 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Don't you worry, never fear, FDT will soon be here. http://www.imwithfred.com)
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To: Always Right
I am shocked the Twins are playing baseball during this.

Rather than dump 10's of thousands more people/cars onto the highways, it's probably best to go on with the game.
573 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:32 PM PDT by ninergold3 ("Normal" - Just a cycle on the washing machine - Naomi Judd)
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To: Palladin

MSNBC reports “daytime piledriving” scheduled for the area this week.


574 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:47 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: All

http://local.live.com/Default.aspx?v=2&sp=Point.rgwtw676wmsc_Bridge___&encType=1&lc=1033


575 posted on 08/01/2007 5:38:47 PM PDT by CJinVA
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To: Dutch Tulip

Posting from that mosque in Amsterdam, are you?


576 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:07 PM PDT by Palladin (Judge Munley is a nincompoop.)
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To: All

Don’t know if it has been posted b4, but Fox is streaming here:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/livestream/player.html

Getting dark and difficult to see what is happening.


577 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:08 PM PDT by casino66 ("We'll succeed," Bush added, "unless we quit.")
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To: ican'tbelieveit
After the 2nd plane hit the towers, FR threads were almost immediately calling it terrorism.

I still say if the DHS had been in opeation at that point, they would have found a reason to discount terrorism.

Government sucks.

578 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:18 PM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: Terriergal

If you’re talking about the Cedar Ave bridge over the Minnesota River in Bloomington....no.


579 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:18 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: Poser

not the heat melting steel, BUT...the heat causes steel and concrete to expand quite a bit...it’s possible the expansion joint expanded and slipped off a cross member and the rest came down like dominoes...

Seems they’ve been resurfacing etc. so maybe some of the expansion joints were wide open??


580 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:34 PM PDT by GRRRRR (The Libtards are spoiling for a big fight!)
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To: Spktyr
You will also see stuff getting airborne when a concrete road deck shatters because the supports underneath it have given way.

Two things. First, when a steel reinforced concrete fails catastrophically, there is an incredible amount of stored internal energy to release and so it will appear to explode - because it does. It was strained to the point that it could not take any more - by definition.

Second. If there were emplaced explosives of the quantity required for demolition of this sort, it would immediately be detectable. In fact you could smell it anywhere in the vicinity, without any difficulty whatsoever. Even well placed shaped demolition charges would be easily sniffed out, and bystanders would be under no illusions about what they were smelling.

581 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:41 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: mombonn

They did NOT say it wasn’t terrorism. They said they will investigate, but they have no reason to think it was terrorism — I assume no “chatter” about something like this.


582 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:54 PM PDT by maryz
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To: I still care

“Also, whenever there is a catastrophic failure there are lots of sounds and small events, some of which look like explosions.”

Yes, in fact many times in a bldg. when the field bolt connections are slip critical, and they slip into a bearing condition, which causes a very loud bang. Big steel structures make very loud noises when they fail.


583 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:54 PM PDT by Weight of Glory
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To: maryz

Yeah, I saw that Blackhawk fly by


584 posted on 08/01/2007 5:39:56 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: angelcindy

Crowd control. I guess we should be flattered that they fear us more than al qaeda.


585 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:05 PM PDT by John W
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To: unspun

I’ll try MS-NBC...Shep is making me crazy.


586 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:05 PM PDT by ninergold3 ("Normal" - Just a cycle on the washing machine - Naomi Judd)
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To: DugwayDuke

Did you hear the guy say a sheriffs car was blocking a hole that had the road down to one lane?


587 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:12 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: RS

ping


588 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:12 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Spktyr

“he saw the long span bend and shatter in the center and give way”

It could be that the road deck that was being replaced HAD BECOME critical in holding the bridge together. If rust or failure elsewhere shifted the loading factors and the deck took up the slack...then they take apart the deck to replace it. Bam, it comes down.


589 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:14 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: MediaMole
That would account for the reports of debris flying up.

I think that's highly likely.

590 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:17 PM PDT by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"Women and children thrown into the water."--Shepherd Smith

Brilliant! observation, Shep. Any men hurt?

591 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:27 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Terriergal

Ahhh...other Cedar Ave bridge....Yes.


592 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:46 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Tracking The "Flyin' Imams" since 11/20/06)
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To: Poser
Does steel melt at 90 degrees?

No. But it does expand as the temperature rises, which could cause parts of the structure to buckle unless proper expansion joints are incorporated in the design.

593 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:50 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Abigail Adams

Concrete buckles at 90 degrees? I’m no expert, but I do not believe the a 90 degree day made a steel and reinforced concrete bridge fall down. I’ll buy rust, faulty construction, bad materials and any number of reasons, but a hot day?


594 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:52 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: GRRRRR
God, that is why I love FR, we got people from every occupation one could think of. Thanks for the explanation.
595 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:56 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: MplsSteve

1 dead per Cnn, Paula Zahn

DHS being non-committal as to what caused collapse.


596 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: DCBryan1

“then you would see jumping/cheering”

Like Palestinians.


597 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:58 PM PDT by Son House ($$Proud Memeber of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
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To: DrGunsforHands

Oh no, witness saying she helped pull people out of cars and she saw many deceased.


598 posted on 08/01/2007 5:40:57 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: DugwayDuke

Yes Yes absolutely


599 posted on 08/01/2007 5:41:06 PM PDT by Weight of Glory
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To: casino66

Don’t know if it has been posted b4, but Fox is streaming here:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/livestream/player.html

Why does it say “rebroadcast of 9-11-01 coverage at the top?

Strange.


600 posted on 08/01/2007 5:41:09 PM PDT by jdm
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