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Dad beats, shoots and paralyzes Teen daughters lover
The Morning News of Northwest Arkansas ^ | 8-2-07 | Robin Mero

Posted on 08/02/2007 10:03:39 AM PDT by Serious Capitalist

BENTONVILLE -- The father of a 17-year-old girl found his daughter's boyfriend hiding inside her bedroom closet Tuesday, beat him bloody with a pool stick, then left the room to fetch a gun. The daughter and boyfriend blocked the door with a dresser, so the father shot through the closed door, hitting the boyfriend in the back and paralyzing him, police said.

George David Reed, 48, posted a $150,000 bond and was freed from jail Wednesday afternoon as Michael Austin Guzman, 19, underwent surgery to treat a bullet lodged in his spinal cord.

Three of Guzman's vertebrae are fractured and doctors don't expect him to regain feeling or mobility below his waist, according to a probable cause affidavit released Wednesday after Reed's bond hearing. He was still in surgery Wednesday evening in Joplin's Freeman Health System, according to an intensive care nurse.

Benton County Circuit Judge Xollie Duncan set the bond Wednesday based on a request from Chief Deputy Prosecutor Shane Wilkinson. Reed was arrested on suspicion of a felony terroristic act, the most serious type of felony aside from capital murder, punishable by up to life in prison. He was also arrested on a charge of felony first-degree battery.

Defense attorney W.H. Taylor, who spent the morning consulting with his client at the jail, did not object to the bond. Reed is to be arraigned Sept. 10 before Circuit Judge David Clinger.

Taylor said that Reed has three children and lives with his wife, Sharon, at 13569 Vaughn Road near Highfill. Reed has been in Northwest Arkansas since 1962, owns a farm and rental properties, and has operated a moving and storage business since 1983.

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To: TheGunny

Sure.


351 posted on 08/02/2007 3:15:59 PM PDT by airborne (ATTENTION PA FREEPERS !! https://contribute.gohunter08.com/contribute.asp)
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To: AD from SpringBay

What difference does that make?


352 posted on 08/02/2007 3:17:08 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: wideawake
But I do not buy for one instant the legal theory that a homeowner has no ability to decide who is or isn't allowed into his home.

Actually, if your wife invites someone in and you don't want them there, there's not a damn thing you can (legally) do about it.

AND she doesn't need to be on the deed or lease. If she lives there she can invite anyone she wants in.

Now, the same may or may not apply to a 17 year old daughter, depending on what state you live in.

353 posted on 08/02/2007 3:19:24 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: Andrew Byler

You have the result (kid paralyzed) and you have the intent (dad had already beat him near death with the pool cue).

Gonna be pretty dang hard to make this out to be anything near accidental. (Oh, ya know, I was opening my desk drawer and the gun fell out. It bounced up and down and fired four times...)


354 posted on 08/02/2007 3:22:42 PM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: djf

I guess he could plead whatever it is that men plead when they catch their wife in bed with another man and kill one or both of them. But then that just highlights my contention that this man is to freakin’ involved in his daughter’s sex life. I do believe he should teach her to be chaste until marriage, but he is acting like a spurned lover—which he may well be. This has the stink of an incestuous infatuation.


355 posted on 08/02/2007 3:34:38 PM PDT by Burkean
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To: BearCub
Yes, but in some states if you ask them to leave, I am and always have been sole tenant on my deeds, then you can soot them.
356 posted on 08/02/2007 3:37:39 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: Little Bill
Yes, but in some states if you ask them to leave, I am and always have been sole tenant on my deeds, then you can soot them.

You're right it varies from state to state, but AFAIK, if you have a right of possession (as a resident does), you can invite others onto the property.

This came up when my uncle had a tenant that rented some warehouse space from him. The tenant had a non-exclusive right to use XXXX square feet of the warehouse. The tenant failed to pay rent and before the right-to-cure period expired, contracted to have movers come and get his stuff. My uncle asked the police if he could prohibit the movers from coming even though the tenant technically still had a right to be there. Their response: Nope, as long as the tenant has a right to be there, he can grant anyone else permission to be there, including the movers.

357 posted on 08/02/2007 3:44:44 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: Serious Capitalist

what is the age of consent in Arkansas?


358 posted on 08/02/2007 3:47:43 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: School of Rational Thought
what is the age of consent in Arkansas?

16. No, I didn't know it. I had to look it up.

359 posted on 08/02/2007 3:51:21 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: wideawake
You don’t hit women.

I agree. But that's not the point.

#1. She's not a woman -- she's 17.

#2. Who said anything about her father hitting her? (The mother should do it! LOL... just kidding.) But seriously, unless she was being raped (in which case the shooting is deserved,) daughters should be held responsible for their fair share of the action.

#3. What time on Tuesday did this take place? Someone mentioned the "middle of the night" , but the article does not say that.

#4. Were they dressed, undressed, or partially dressed/undressed?

There is a lot of information missing here, and many of us are just filling in those blanks.

I think the beating was probably deserved. The shooting was stupid. Not so much because he paralyzed the boy, but because you have to be a damn idiot to shoot through a CLOSED door when YOUR DAUGHTER is standing on the other side!! It's fools like him who give anti-gun nuts a leg to stand on.

Besides, if you're going to kill the boy, there are better ways to do it right, not hot-headed and half-assed.

PS - The boyfriend, who was 19, could have been charged with statutory rape. Instead, he is now the victim, and the dad is charged with a felony. Stupid.

360 posted on 08/02/2007 4:29:46 PM PDT by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Little Ray
Anyone lays a hand on my son is going to find out what a Celtic Blood feud is.

If you want to ban him from seeing your daughter fine... plenty of girls out there. Want to call me up and arrange a sit down with BOTH kids and tell them the error of their way...even better.

Parents should present a united front.

If you want to go to the knife with my kin, then by all means you better learn to eat your breakfast running, because I will be hunting you down.

Oh and if you get caught by the law before I get you, take note that my son's Mother and Uncles are corrections officers, so dont expect to have a real comfy time inside.

And when you are inside, my daughters will be seeing to your daughter on the outside too.

It's time for the girls to stand and take responsibility for their actions.

361 posted on 08/02/2007 4:42:49 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
OK , so it’s all the guy’s fault. The daughter sneaks in a guy, does the stuff and has him hide in her closet, and the guy is getting beaten black and blue for it? This is the feminist mindset , girls innocent and pure like the wind driven snow and boys the vicious predatory wolves.

Yeah, no kidding. I so LOVE the righteous hatred towards that 19 year old kid that will never walk again. Sheesh, how startling, a teen boy and girl foolin' around. I guess if you get caught you should be brutally beaten and permanently damaged. I wonder if any "he deserved it" crowd have ever considered that their own kids probably do the exact same thing as the poor guy in this article. Heck, I wonder if any of them ever did this stuff themselves when they were younger? According to them, never! They were all virgins when they got married and only have sex to procreate.

362 posted on 08/02/2007 4:44:10 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Motherhood IS a career
The boyfriend, who was 19, could have been charged with statutory rape

Nope. Arkansas age of consent is 16.

363 posted on 08/02/2007 5:05:17 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: L,TOWM
Some one hits or kick me in my home after I tell them to leave is a "clear and present danger" that will be neutralized (i.e., shot) by ME prior to THEM getting an opportunity to escalate to a bludgeon, sharp object, or firearm.

You might have a happier life if you quit worrying about your daughter's boy friend or the neighbor kids beating you up.

Better keep that firearm handy though, just in case.

364 posted on 08/02/2007 5:07:58 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Burkean
Incestuous infatuation? More likely, this was a guy who took the kind of semi-joke in post #12 here more literally than most FReepers do. But just consider why that "Dating My Daughter" survey has been posted on this forum dozens of times (and probably posted thousands of times elsewhere). Many fathers do feel inclined to violence at the thought of daughters under their roof (and therefore under their protection) getting sexually involved. Too bad for the kid that he didn't realize he was dealing with one of them.
365 posted on 08/02/2007 5:10:54 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"I would have stopped after the pool cue."

Depends on whether the boy friend's clothes were on or off...

366 posted on 08/02/2007 5:13:25 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Centurion2000

I suspect daughter has absolutely no respect for dad any more. Basically, he almost killed her.


367 posted on 08/02/2007 6:58:57 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Centurion2000

“I’m not going to comdemn him for it, but I’m not going to endorse it either.”

If you’re a father I simply cannot see how you can’t help but condemn a father who blindly shoots through a door into a room where his daughter is standing. Would you really do that????


368 posted on 08/02/2007 7:01:59 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Centurion2000

“You going to offer him a beer and say thanks for F#$%ing my daughter?”

Once again, there are numerous options between thanking him and and paralyzing him with a shot that just as easily could have hit your daughter. If you can’t see that, you’re hopeless.


369 posted on 08/02/2007 7:05:27 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Motherhood IS a career

“PS - The boyfriend, who was 19, could have been charged with statutory rape. Instead, he is now the victim, and the dad is charged with a felony. Stupid.”

Read the posts. This is NOT statutory rape in Arkansas, nor is it in many other states, including mine.


370 posted on 08/02/2007 7:08:48 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Little Ray
Gonna happen to my daughters’ boyfriends if I find ‘em in her closet, too. Except I’ll hide the bodies in Lake Lanier.

So, you expect to find more than one?
371 posted on 08/02/2007 7:17:18 PM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: ElkGroveDan; dmz

If your daughters are normal teenage girls, they’ve done most of the things YOU did in high school and maybe even a few you didn’t know about. You know, making out and petting, maybe even more. Possibly more. Probably more.

That’s if they are normal.

But maybe they are, as you insist, abnormal.

Get your head out of the sand.


372 posted on 08/02/2007 7:35:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: wideawake

Face the facts of life.


373 posted on 08/02/2007 7:48:30 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Why did “Baby Elephant Walk” pop into my head?


374 posted on 08/02/2007 7:53:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: dmz

Premeditation would be going to the room armed intending to kill Guzman. Not running to get a gun after a possible alleged assault and subequent barricade.


375 posted on 08/02/2007 7:53:47 PM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: ElkGroveDan

Ditto


376 posted on 08/02/2007 7:55:19 PM PDT by Grunthor
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To: Eagle Eye

All teenagers weren’t that way when I was younger and aren’t that way now. Don’t attempt to disparage all of society because of what popular culture demands or whatever raunchy life you may have lead.

I had fun as a teenager but still lived a life of moral decency because of the way my parents raised me. I’m raising my girls (and boys) in a similar fashion. There are no surprises because I know where they are at all times, who they are with and what they are doing.


377 posted on 08/02/2007 7:55:43 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: BearCub
He wasn't assaulting anyone and wasn't trespassing if the daughter invited him in.

Per the entire article, Guzman initated the assualt of Reed, and Guzman had been forbidden to enter the house without an adult present. The daughter is not an adult and has no right to change the rules set by the father, who is the homeowner.

378 posted on 08/02/2007 7:55:43 PM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: djf
(dad had already beat him near death with the pool cue)

Where does it say that? The article says he beat him with a pool cue and made him bleed, not that Guzman was "near death".

The exxaggerations and presumptions here are amazing.

379 posted on 08/02/2007 7:57:06 PM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: gracesdad
If you’re a father I simply cannot see how you can’t help but condemn a father who blindly shoots through a door into a room where his daughter is standing. Would you really do that????

Lets wait and see where the bullet holes are in the door. Reed says he did not shoot into the room but up and down at the top and bottom of the door.

380 posted on 08/02/2007 7:59:19 PM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: Serious Capitalist
The ironic thing is, at least half the knuckle-dragging chest-thumpers hooting like apes and cheering the father on this thread probably behaved in the same way as or worse than the kid that beaten and shot when they were the same age.

They just didn't get caught.

381 posted on 08/02/2007 8:00:06 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Hydroshock

Ouch @ the application


382 posted on 08/02/2007 8:01:46 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: BigBobber
if you quit worrying about your daughter's boy friend or the neighbor kids beating you up

I've never liked worrying. That is ONE reason I own firearms.

My take on this story is that the entire household was (probably) pretty dammed dysfunctional and that makes another decrease in sources of worry for me. My daughter seems to have her head screwed on pretty straight at this point, which is remarkable taking into account her parents. ;-)

383 posted on 08/02/2007 8:04:20 PM PDT by L,TOWM ("Protesting Clinton's wars was'nt cool..." - Jeneane Garafolo, 2003)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I consider this to be abuse of the anti-terror laws, the very thing the moonbats have been shrieking about.

I totally agree. I thought that terrorism had to have some sort of political component.

384 posted on 08/02/2007 8:08:28 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: ElkGroveDan

Ostrich! LOL.

Glad to hear you have that last perfect kids because of YOUR doing!

And you’ll be the one with the biggest shock if something happens...

Yep, kids experiment with tobacco, alcohol, dope, sex and other things. Not all, nor with all.

But those experimentations are normal behavior.


385 posted on 08/02/2007 8:08:53 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

There appear to be vicious ,would-be murderers hiding among us Freepers; they sound like the honor killing condemned elsewhere.Such fathers that feel their daughters are their property to be guarded like a prize filly until daddy arranges a suitable mating. The passion is all about the fathers’ sense of possession-”you deserve to die because you sullied MY daughter”;I wonder how many of these posters boasting of their readiness to kill were virgins on their wedding day?


386 posted on 08/02/2007 8:11:40 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Eagle Eye

I don’t know what kind of regrets you have over your behavior as a young person, but it shows.

There are “good girls” and “good guys” out there and it’s not by accident.

Laugh all you like and call me naive. I know what I’m doing and how I’m raising my kids. It’s too bad you have such a cynical view of our society and human nature.


387 posted on 08/02/2007 8:13:35 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: dmz
I have nothing but contempt for a man who would so endanger his own daughter.

No argument here. Any of the firearms instructors/advisors I've ever had would blow a gasket at the suggestion of firing blind into an area where "friendlies" are.

I hope no one comes away with the idea I think this guy is some kind of hero; I don't think that at all -- but I also don't think he should do a life stretch for this. He should have handled it a heck of a lot better, I'd like to think I would, but I don't think I could vote guilty if I were on the jury, unless the charge was reckless endangerment or if it came out that he told some one before he ever got the the house something like "If her boyfriend is there, I'm gonna kill the sumb!+ch..." -- that's a whole different kettle of fish.

388 posted on 08/02/2007 8:14:22 PM PDT by L,TOWM ("Protesting Clinton's wars was'nt cool..." - Jeneane Garafolo, 2003)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Realizing what normal behavior is ain’t cynical.

And although there is only one first time for everything, I’m not sure that smoking a cigarette or joint, drinking a beer, or losing viriginity before marriage scars one for life or not doing any of those things really makes one any better in anything.

But it does give the holier than thou types something to boast about.


389 posted on 08/02/2007 8:20:32 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Serious Capitalist

Shooting through the door, he could have just as easily plugged his daughter — an accidental honor killing.


390 posted on 08/02/2007 8:20:34 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: zeugma
As a veteran of ONE bar brawl, I can tell you that you can be hit in the head with a pool cue a number of times and keep fighting, and head wounds can be quite bloody. What finally put me down for good was a beer mug to the temple.

LOL. Nice to have the voice of experience speaking here. :-)

To quote Dave Ramsey, "Experience is what lets you look at a situation, and see what STUPID looks like.

Another good quote here is,

Some people can learn by reading. Others can learn by watching. But there are always a few that just have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

Mark

391 posted on 08/02/2007 8:25:23 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: wideawake

“...then decided to go get a different deadly weapon...”

Well obviously the first one didn’t work well enough...


392 posted on 08/02/2007 8:43:44 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Andrew Byler

I may have taken a bit of literary license, but believe me, the burden of proof has shifted... and not in daddyos’s favor.


393 posted on 08/02/2007 8:48:04 PM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: Towed_Jumper

I thought the same thing.


394 posted on 08/02/2007 8:50:26 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: gracesdad
And the boy wasn’t trespassing because the girl invited him in. Wanna try again?

The father had already warned this boy NOT to arrive attended. The Father is the home owner, the boy knew this all to well, thus why he hid his car down the road.

In the real world, this kid was trespassing on more than one level. I highly doubt the home ownership had the girls name on it.

395 posted on 08/02/2007 8:56:04 PM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: Serious Capitalist
Reed was arrested on suspicion of a felony terroristic act

Terrorist? Sounds strange.

396 posted on 08/02/2007 8:59:56 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Eagle Eye
Get your head out of the sand.

I don't think he has his head in the sand, and I do believe he knows his daughter better than you can imagine. My sister was the cut of the same cloth. You can suggest otherwise, of course, but you're in no position to know the truth. Truth based on statistics are a poor way to judge in individual cases.

397 posted on 08/02/2007 9:03:58 PM PDT by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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To: hoosierham; gracesdad; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000
There appear to be vicious ,would-be murderers hiding among us Freepers; they sound like the honor killing condemned elsewhere.Such fathers that feel their daughters are their property to be guarded like a prize filly until daddy arranges a suitable mating. The passion is all about the fathers’ sense of possession-”you deserve to die because you sullied MY daughter”;I wonder how many of these posters boasting of their readiness to kill were virgins on their wedding day?

I have been patiently waiting for the parallel to be drawn with sharia honor killing.

Michelle Phillips' Londonistan describes the widespread arranged marriage with associated honor killing as part of the sharia package vis-a-vis the muslim enclaves of Britain's urban centers.

The father owns the daughter and would think nothing of killing her should she defy his will thus bringing dishonor on the family.

Behold Arkanistan.

398 posted on 08/02/2007 9:36:36 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: L,TOWM
but I don't think I could vote guilty if I were on the jury

voir dire would bar you, unless you lied

399 posted on 08/02/2007 9:38:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Wolfie

Ok being a father of a daughter, I would be the type to grant some considerable leeway before judging this man for his actions here. But he lost me at the gunfire. I mean, your DAUGHTER is on the other side of a door, and you’re firing off rounds?! What a nutjob. It’s tragic all the way around, but he’ll get what he deserves by going to jail. Not that I have a lot of sympathy for the kid he shot.


400 posted on 08/02/2007 10:10:33 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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