Skip to comments.Russia Criticized For Planting Arctic Flag
Posted on 08/02/2007 6:29:57 PM PDT by blam
Russia criticised for planting Arctic flag
Last Updated: 1:42am BST 03/08/2007
Russia has been condemned for planting its flag on the seabed at the North Pole in a symbolic bid to stake a claim to the vast mineral wealth of the Arctic.
Explorers from the country descended 14,000ft in a mini-submarine to place the titanium flag in an area that is home to a quarter of the world's untapped energy reserves.
Russia also used the expedition, disclosed in The Daily Telegraph , to gather samples to substantiate its claim that the Lomonosov Ridge, a shelf that runs through the Arctic, is an extension of Russian territory.
However, the other Arctic nations - Norway, the United States and Denmark, through its sovereignty of Greenland - have challenged Russia's claims and criticised its flag-planting mission.
And since Greenland is very autonomous (a few, radical Greenlanders are pushing for independence), then it could become Canada and Greenland.
Russia is further away than Norway, only beating out the United States for proximity to the North Pole.
Though Russia could be closer than Norway (it looks iffy).
I hope Russia sucks every last drop of oil out of that place.
Sadly, neither nation spends anything close to what it needs to on defense.
The Russians, on the other hand, are going back in the direction spending on defense to Cold War levels.
Moreover, much of the new Russian military hardware is nothing to be laughed at. It is top grade. No wonder nations all of the world are buying it.
Other nations better wake up. Russia is awash in money from energy sales. They have alliances with Iran, and most Middle Eastern nations.
They have a better navy now than the Canadians have.
Target drones - unless they self destruct before we get to them.
Canada has a navy?
I sure wouldn’t want to be in Pootie Poot’s shoes when Santa gets back from vacation.
We accept your flag on the seafloor of the Arctic. You accept our ownership of the moon. In 100 years(ok maybe 1000), the H3 on the moon will power everything. I’ll be decomposed by then but I’d rather give my great, great, great x3 children the moon than the arctic. Not that I discount the hydrocarbons to be had...there are plenty. The H3 on the moon has more energy than the entire earth.
I see that the CCCP is waking up from a 20 year slumber...
By 2009, Russia will have the second most powerful navy on Earth, and the Chinese will have the third.
So by 2009 it will take more than only one of our carrier battle groups to take out their whole navy?
Who are these people making the complaint, and what are they going to do about it?
I just wondered...does it count as planting a flag everytime a ship from some nation sinks also? That could create some interesting debates over territories. LOL.
Target drones - unless they self destruct before we get to them.==
Heh heh:))) “Do NOT boast when you go to battle - boast when you go AFTER the battle” the ancient russian proverb:)).
Here is the GeoTimes article that accompanies the above pic and gives some geologic info on the ridge.
There are some links there. Have a look at the SCICEX link which shows USN's unclassified technical cruises into the arctic.
The US began extensive mapping of the shelf in the early 80s and has claims beyond the 200 mi. EEZ along 60% of her coast, most notably in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska where the shelf extends 600 mi into the Arctic and Bering Sea. The US's Alaska claims overlap Russia's claims.
There is clearly no dry land for anyone to claim. There are claims to waters x distance from the coast but as usual, Russia is on drugs.
I suggest planting Russia’s flag down Putin’s throat.
I know, I know, Bush would object to his soulmate being treated with such disdain.
Perhaps we should ratify LOST and hope the UN and that international court will rule against Russia.
Feel like taking a chance on that one, Ben?
So if I go build my own sub and go up to the north pole and capture the flag. Is the territory now mine?
No, but the flag is yours...
Cool, Would I have to plant my own flag to get the territory?
Couldn't hurt. However, without nation state status, your chances of prevailing would be considered small.
I'm sure that if you tried to improve your knowledge of the issue, you could use the internet to determine the credibility of the claim.
Of course you know what is required to make a claim? And if claim is not made..........?
No problemo, we can pull our gunboats out of the Straits of Malacca and put them in the Bering Strait. Do you think the Ruskys will co-operate better than Indonesia and Malaysia?
Someone has to rule on that data; it doesn't speak for itself. Anything involving the UN, or any other international gaggle of bureaucrats, is not to be trusted.
"I'm sure that if you tried to improve your knowledge of the issue, you could use the internet to determine the credibility of the claim."
And I'm sure I have sufficient knowledge to recognize a third world globalist UN scam (LOST) when I see one. The difference between us is that you're willing and anxious to entrust U.S. rights to unaccountable and faceless international bureaucrats while I am not.
"Of course you know what is required to make a claim?"
Doesn't matter. The U.S. can file claims until it's blue in the face. A futile exercise so long as a UN-sanctioned international body has the last word.
Just wait until a Soviet flag is planted under the North Pole...
As the Prez has said, there are decisions being made that affect the US so it is wise to have a seat at the table.
Without a seat, the US has no way of presenting the data, and as those maps show, it is significant data.
Without a seat, the US has no way of making a claim.
With a seat, the US has no way of recovering on a claim. Not in a third world/UN forum. Not a chance.
Besides, there is always that "gunboat diplomacy" to which you were in thrall a few posts back. Ready to give up on that so soon? Far better, no UN taxes and no submitting to an international court--bottom line = no diminution of our national sovereignty. While this is unimportant to you, it is a critical issue for loyal Americans.