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Russia Criticized For Planting Arctic Flag
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-3-2007

Posted on 08/02/2007 6:29:57 PM PDT by blam

Russia criticised for planting Arctic flag

Last Updated: 1:42am BST 03/08/2007

Russia has been condemned for planting its flag on the seabed at the North Pole in a symbolic bid to stake a claim to the vast mineral wealth of the Arctic.

Explorers from the country descended 14,000ft in a mini-submarine to place the titanium flag in an area that is home to a quarter of the world's untapped energy reserves.

Russia also used the expedition, disclosed in The Daily Telegraph , to gather samples to substantiate its claim that the Lomonosov Ridge, a shelf that runs through the Arctic, is an extension of Russian territory.

However, the other Arctic nations - Norway, the United States and Denmark, through its sovereignty of Greenland - have challenged Russia's claims and criticised its flag-planting mission.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: arctic; arcticocean; climatechange; criticized; denmark; energy; environment; flag; geopolitics; globalwarming; greenland; northpole; norway; oil; polar; pole; russia

1 posted on 08/02/2007 6:29:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The countries with the strongest argument to the North Pole are Canada and Denmark.

And since Greenland is very autonomous (a few, radical Greenlanders are pushing for independence), then it could become Canada and Greenland.

Russia is further away than Norway, only beating out the United States for proximity to the North Pole.

Though Russia could be closer than Norway (it looks iffy).

2 posted on 08/02/2007 6:39:30 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam

I hope Russia sucks every last drop of oil out of that place.


3 posted on 08/02/2007 6:41:04 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: blam
If Canada or Denmark really want to tell the Russians to bugger off, they are going to have to flex military muscle.

Sadly, neither nation spends anything close to what it needs to on defense.

The Russians, on the other hand, are going back in the direction spending on defense to Cold War levels.

Moreover, much of the new Russian military hardware is nothing to be laughed at. It is top grade. No wonder nations all of the world are buying it.

Other nations better wake up. Russia is awash in money from energy sales. They have alliances with Iran, and most Middle Eastern nations.

They have a better navy now than the Canadians have.



4 posted on 08/02/2007 6:52:40 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Target drones - unless they self destruct before we get to them.


5 posted on 08/02/2007 7:13:08 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: SkyPilot
They have a better navy now than the Canadians have.

Canada has a navy?

6 posted on 08/02/2007 7:37:29 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: blam

I sure wouldn’t want to be in Pootie Poot’s shoes when Santa gets back from vacation.


7 posted on 08/02/2007 7:55:24 PM PDT by Ratblaster (HILLARY 08 Bring Back the Crooked Hillbillys)
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To: blam

We accept your flag on the seafloor of the Arctic. You accept our ownership of the moon. In 100 years(ok maybe 1000), the H3 on the moon will power everything. I’ll be decomposed by then but I’d rather give my great, great, great x3 children the moon than the arctic. Not that I discount the hydrocarbons to be had...there are plenty. The H3 on the moon has more energy than the entire earth.


8 posted on 08/02/2007 7:59:40 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: SkyPilot

I see that the CCCP is waking up from a 20 year slumber...


9 posted on 08/02/2007 8:19:56 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Prokopton

By 2009, Russia will have the second most powerful navy on Earth, and the Chinese will have the third.


10 posted on 08/02/2007 8:21:12 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

So by 2009 it will take more than only one of our carrier battle groups to take out their whole navy?
Oh my...


11 posted on 08/02/2007 8:26:30 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: blam

Who are these people making the complaint, and what are they going to do about it?


12 posted on 08/02/2007 8:42:53 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: blam
US REJECTS
CANADA REJECTS
ROTFL!!!

"I'm not sure of whether they've put a metal flag, a rubber flag or a bed sheet on the ocean floor," said State Department spokesman Tom Casey.

"I don't think that ... whether they went and spray-painted a flag of Russia on those particular ridges is going to make one iota of difference," Casey said.

"Look, this isn't the 15th century. You can't go around the world and plant flags and say, 'We're claiming this territory'," Foreign Minister Peter MacKay told broadcaster CTV.
13 posted on 08/02/2007 9:31:34 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: milford421; DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta; Founding Father; FARS

Ping.


14 posted on 08/02/2007 10:27:37 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: blam

I just wondered...does it count as planting a flag everytime a ship from some nation sinks also? That could create some interesting debates over territories. LOL.


15 posted on 08/02/2007 10:42:41 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: spanalot

Target drones - unless they self destruct before we get to them.==

Heh heh:))) “Do NOT boast when you go to battle - boast when you go AFTER the battle” the ancient russian proverb:)).


16 posted on 08/03/2007 2:12:35 AM PDT by RusIvan (It is amazing how easily those dupes swallow the supidiest russophobic fairy tales:))))
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To: blam; Jedi Master Pikachu; Czar

Here is the GeoTimes article that accompanies the above pic and gives some geologic info on the ridge.

There are some links there. Have a look at the SCICEX link which shows USN's unclassified technical cruises into the arctic.

The US began extensive mapping of the shelf in the early 80s and has claims beyond the 200 mi. EEZ along 60% of her coast, most notably in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska where the shelf extends 600 mi into the Arctic and Bering Sea. The US's Alaska claims overlap Russia's claims.

17 posted on 08/03/2007 4:19:37 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

There is clearly no dry land for anyone to claim. There are claims to waters x distance from the coast but as usual, Russia is on drugs.


18 posted on 08/03/2007 5:09:19 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: blam

I suggest planting Russia’s flag down Putin’s throat.

I know, I know, Bush would object to his soulmate being treated with such disdain.


19 posted on 08/03/2007 5:14:43 AM PDT by Stallone (Free Republic - The largest collection of Freedom Fighters the world has ever known)
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To: Ben Ficklin; blam; Jedi Master Pikachu
"The US's Alaska claims overlap Russia's claims."

Perhaps we should ratify LOST and hope the UN and that international court will rule against Russia.

Feel like taking a chance on that one, Ben?

20 posted on 08/03/2007 12:20:48 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar

So if I go build my own sub and go up to the north pole and capture the flag. Is the territory now mine?


21 posted on 08/03/2007 12:23:50 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
"Is the territory now mine?"

No, but the flag is yours...

22 posted on 08/03/2007 12:29:20 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar

Cool, Would I have to plant my own flag to get the territory?


23 posted on 08/03/2007 12:31:43 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
"Cool, Would I have to plant my own flag to get the territory?"

Couldn't hurt. However, without nation state status, your chances of prevailing would be considered small.

24 posted on 08/03/2007 12:39:07 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar
All claims are determined by the technical data.

I'm sure that if you tried to improve your knowledge of the issue, you could use the internet to determine the credibility of the claim.

Of course you know what is required to make a claim? And if claim is not made..........?

No problemo, we can pull our gunboats out of the Straits of Malacca and put them in the Bering Strait. Do you think the Ruskys will co-operate better than Indonesia and Malaysia?

25 posted on 08/03/2007 1:00:09 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
"All claims are determined by the technical data."

Someone has to rule on that data; it doesn't speak for itself. Anything involving the UN, or any other international gaggle of bureaucrats, is not to be trusted.

"I'm sure that if you tried to improve your knowledge of the issue, you could use the internet to determine the credibility of the claim."

And I'm sure I have sufficient knowledge to recognize a third world globalist UN scam (LOST) when I see one. The difference between us is that you're willing and anxious to entrust U.S. rights to unaccountable and faceless international bureaucrats while I am not.

"Of course you know what is required to make a claim?"

Doesn't matter. The U.S. can file claims until it's blue in the face. A futile exercise so long as a UN-sanctioned international body has the last word.

26 posted on 08/03/2007 3:14:26 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Stallone

Just wait until a Soviet flag is planted under the North Pole...


27 posted on 08/03/2007 8:29:59 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Czar
"Someone has to rule on that data, it doesn't speak for itself"

As the Prez has said, there are decisions being made that affect the US so it is wise to have a seat at the table.
Without a seat, the US has no way of presenting the data, and as those maps show, it is significant data.
Without a seat, the US has no way of making a claim.

28 posted on 08/04/2007 2:33:35 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
"Without a seat, the US has no way of making a claim."

With a seat, the US has no way of recovering on a claim. Not in a third world/UN forum. Not a chance.

Besides, there is always that "gunboat diplomacy" to which you were in thrall a few posts back. Ready to give up on that so soon? Far better, no UN taxes and no submitting to an international court--bottom line = no diminution of our national sovereignty. While this is unimportant to you, it is a critical issue for loyal Americans.

29 posted on 08/04/2007 4:46:36 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: blam
Russia Criticized For Planting Arctic Flag

Where's the outrage from Greenpeace?
World Wildlife Fund?
The Sierra Club?
PETA?

American drilling for oil in ANWR...BAD!
Russians drilling in the living room of polar bears and seals...OK?

Oh, I get it. Greepeace, World Wildlife Fund, Sierra Club and
PETA are just showing they are still "fellow-travelers" of
the thieves from Moscow.

No matter who "The Boss" is.
30 posted on 08/04/2007 4:55:14 PM PDT by VOA
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