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Demsí 'Real Big Problem'
The Hill ^ | 8/3/07 | Byron York

Posted on 08/03/2007 9:18:21 AM PDT by bnelson44

The Iraq debate that we’ve been watching this year has been about two bets.

After false starts and misplaced hopes in 2004, and 2005, and 2006, George W. Bush is betting his surge strategy will facilitate the political progress that could bring a semblance of stability to Iraq.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) are betting the surge will fail. It’s as simple as that. If Bush wins his bet, Iraq will be a better place, the Middle East will be a better place, and America will be a safer place.

But Reid and Pelosi lose if Bush wins. Given the position they have staked out for themselves, the best possible outcome is for Gen. David Petraeus to give a downbeat report on the surge when he comes before Congress in September. That would give tremendous momentum to those who want the quickest possible U.S. withdrawal from Iraq.

It’s the dilemma of being in the opposition in wartime. By betting so much of their political capital on the issue, Reid and Pelosi have become invested in U.S. failure. A U.S. success would throw a wrench in their plans.

That sounds harsh. But just read what Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told The Washington Post.

This week the paper reported that many Democrats “have anticipated that, at best, Petraeus and U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker would present a mixed analysis of the success of the current troop surge strategy, given continued violence in Baghdad.” But now, the Post continued, “there have been signs that the commander of U.S. forces might be preparing something more generally positive.”

And that, Clyburn told the paper, would be “a real big problem for us.”

Clyburn’s comments are the flip side of what Reid said in April when he declared, “We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war. Sen. [Charles] Schumer has shown me numbers that are compelling and astounding.”

Schumer (D-N.Y.) also said, “Look at the poll numbers of Republican senators, and the war in Iraq is a lead weight attached to their ankle.” As a result, Schumer predicted, some Republicans face “extinction” while Democrats pick up more seats. American success in Iraq could mess all of that up.

It’s a terrible position for Democrats to be in, one they could have avoided if they had given the surge time to succeed or fail. But they put all their chips on failure before it even began.

That’s why we have seen such frenzied criticism of what is probably the most debated op-ed of the year, this week’s article in The New York Times entitled “A War We Just Might Win,” by Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack.

The authors, both with the Brookings Institution, were early proponents of the war and later critics of Bush’s handling of it. Now, they write, “We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms,” and they see the possibility of “a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.”

They might be wrong; in the fifth year of this war, anyone who is not deeply skeptical about reports of progress just isn’t being realistic. And even if the surge is working, war supporters can be rightly furious at Bush for not doing it years ago. But at least they aren’t betting on — haven’t staked their hopes on — American failure.

Who would want to do that?


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; byronyork; iraq; iraqsurge; kennethpollack; michaelohanlon; notjustoneproblem; pelosi; reid; whichone
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1 posted on 08/03/2007 9:18:24 AM PDT by bnelson44
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To: bnelson44

***A U.S. success would throw a wrench in their plans.***

I’d rather throw a wrench somewhere else.

Oops.


2 posted on 08/03/2007 9:21:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: bnelson44
"Given the position they have staked out for themselves, the best possible outcome is for Gen. David Petraeus to give a downbeat report on the surge"

Regardless of his words they will be reported as being downbeat.


3 posted on 08/03/2007 9:24:42 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: bnelson44
But at least they aren’t betting on — haven’t staked their hopes on — American failure.

Who would want to do that?

America's ENEMIES

Power crazed, traitorous, ideologues, that's who

4 posted on 08/03/2007 9:27:05 AM PDT by Wil H (So just what IS the Globe's optimum temperature?)
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To: bnelson44

What a great way to process a war. When our young men and women are fighting and dieing for this country and half of our Congress is against them for being there, does not say much for this country.


5 posted on 08/03/2007 9:29:07 AM PDT by RC2
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To: bnelson44

When will the NIE be published that acurately reflects the Opposition to the war and dissent in the U.S. Congress against the President and his policies are the cause of our enemy being emboldened...

Oh never mind I’m sure that it has been and I’m sure that it was leaked to the NYT but since it doesn’t fit the template it was never published.


6 posted on 08/03/2007 9:29:36 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Obama worse then Chirac and major danger to U.S. has taken the Nuke option off the table.)
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To: bnelson44
By betting so much of their political capital on the issue, Reid and Pelosi have become invested in U.S. failure. A U.S. success would throw a wrench in their plans.

This is true, but it's also just the tip of the iceberg. We always assume the lefties aren't thinking long term- that they can't see past the next election to the existential danger this country faces from Islamofascism.

But I just don't think this is true. They DO think long term, and they understand that victory doesn't just loose elections for them, it creates a strong, pro-American, pro-independent national identity that is polar opposite of the socialistic, open-borders world government they so desire.

7 posted on 08/03/2007 9:33:38 AM PDT by The Blitherer (What would a Free Man do?)
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To: bnelson44

These elite liberal hatriotics had better pray that Iraq doesn't become a rich and free standing nation. A rich and free Iraq might hire a lot of mercs to capture and bring these war criminals to trial in Iraq for War Crimes against innocent Iraqis.

8 posted on 08/03/2007 9:39:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Support Free Republic with donations, That is the conservative way. No Freeploading!)
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To: The Blitherer
It does seem like the current struggle is a tipping point for the country. Either America will stand tall, like a shining city on a hill, and continue to help lead the world toward freedom, or else we will be diminished and enter an era (perhaps irrevocably) where we're just like any other nations. We can't really fight, our borders don't matter, our government lords it over the rest of us peasants.

The US will go either one way or the other. And the Left very much wants to lord it over the peasants.

9 posted on 08/03/2007 9:42:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: bnelson44

I disagree. Perception is more important that reality - even if the situation in Iraq improves dramatically, the perception that it is a Bush misadventure that has been handled ineptly is about as fixed as I have ever seen it.

GOPers seem unable to cope with this dynamic. Denial ain’t a river in Egypt. As a political matter, Iraq is all done even if it ends up working out.


10 posted on 08/03/2007 9:43:34 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: wastedyears

Be carefull, you are scaring Bill O’Reilly.


11 posted on 08/03/2007 9:45:01 AM PDT by NRA1776
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To: bnelson44


Stupid-AssCrats……………Lots of Baggage!
12 posted on 08/03/2007 9:45:20 AM PDT by knyteflyte3 (Freedom is not for FREE)
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To: bnelson44
Here's another problem:

Nancy Pelosi condemned the new record highs of the stock market as "just another example of Bush policies helping the rich get richer". "First Bush cut taxes for the rich and the economy has rebounded with new record low unemployment rates, which only means wealthy employers are getting even wealthier at the expense of the underpaid working class".

She went on to say "Despite the billions of dollars being spent in Iraq our economy is still strong and government tax revenues are at all time highs. What this really means is that business is exploiting the war effort and working Americans, just to put money in their own pockets".

When questioned about recent stock market highs she responded "Only the rich benefit from these record highs. Working Americans, welfare recipients, the unemp loyed and minorities are not sharing in these obscene record highs". "There is no question these windfall profits and income created by the Bush administration need to be taxed at 100% rate and those dollars redistributed to the poor and working class". "Profits from the stock market do not reward the hard work of our working class who, by their hard work, are responsible for generating these corporate profits that create stock market profits for the rich. We in congress will need to address this issue to either tax these profits or to control the stock market to prevent this unearned income to flow to the rich."

When asked about the fact that over 80% of all Americans have investments in mutual funds, retirement funds, 401K's, and the stock market she replied "That may be true, but probably only 5% account for 90% of all these investment dollars. That's just more "trickle down" economics claiming that if a corporation i s successful that everyone from the CEO to the floor sweeper benefit from higher wages and job security which is ridiculous". "How much of this 'trickle down' ever get to the unemployed and minorities in our county? None, and that's the tragedy of these stock market highs."

"We democrats are going to address this issue after the election when we take control of the congress.We will return to the 60% to 80% tax rates on the rich and we will be able to take at least 30% of all current lower Federal Income Tax tax payers off the roles and increase government income substantially. We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest."

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied ; ; "We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long ways to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as "Americans"."

Democrat=Communist.

13 posted on 08/03/2007 9:46:29 AM PDT by GFritsch ('All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved'." -)
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To: HitmanLV; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; ..
The Media would have it NO OTHER WAY.....

There is a book (now available in paperback ):

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Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left
(Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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And reviews:

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Editorial Reviews

Rich Lowry, Editor National Review

David Horowitz is synonymous with pyrotechnics. A historian and polemicist of the first order, he is paid the ultimate compliment --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Davis Hanson, Author, Ripples of Battle

An original look at those who want us to fail in the Middle East, both at home and abroad. The --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

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See all Editorial Reviews

Fascinating Analysis of Leftist Goals, August 13, 2006

Reviewer: N. Sincerity - See all my reviews

A former 1960s radical, Horowitz is well-acquainted with the Leftist mindset. In this book, he strives to explain the modern alliance between left wing progressivists and radical Islamofascists. He argues that this alliance is based on a common desire to destroy Western capitalism. Leftist sympathy with Islamofascist ideas makes no sense from an intellectual point of view, given that countries ruled by radical Islamists are among the most racist, sexist, theocratic states in the world today. However, Leftists have recognized that they can benefit politically from destructive terrorist attacks on the Western world. A West under attack can be made to turn on its leaders in fear and desperation (as they did in Spain after the Madrid train bombings). Only once people reject current government structures can the Left execute its anti-capitalist revolution and build a new reality that mirrors the Leftist view of utopia.

The complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us,

Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means.

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14 posted on 08/03/2007 9:49:55 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!!!)
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To: HitmanLV

“George W. Bush is betting his surge strategy will facilitate the political progress that could bring a semblance of stability to Iraq.”

So, what happens if the surge succeeds but in the meantime the government dissolves?


15 posted on 08/03/2007 9:50:30 AM PDT by soupcon
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To: GFritsch

See #14.


16 posted on 08/03/2007 9:51:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!!!)
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To: soupcon

If the surge succeeds and the gov in Iraq collapses, then it would be seen as a strong failure on the part of the admin and the USA.


17 posted on 08/03/2007 9:53:47 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
If the surge succeeds and the gov in Iraq collapses, then it would be seen as a strong failure on the part of the admin and the USA.

Actually, since Iraq is a parliamentary democracy, and Maliki is not someone we really want as PM, if the government of Iraq collapses, it would be a good thing. We could have new elections and possibly a less sectarian government in place.

18 posted on 08/03/2007 9:56:14 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: bnelson44

Doesn’t matter - Americans have already decided this is a disaster. Trying to explain to them that the government collapse is in fact a good thing won’t go far.


19 posted on 08/03/2007 9:57:39 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: bnelson44
It’s the dilemma of being in the opposition in wartime. By betting so much of their political capital on the issue, Reid and Pelosi have become invested in U.S. failure. A U.S. success would throw a wrench in their plans.

As the Russians say, "Tuffski Sh*tski".

20 posted on 08/03/2007 10:02:03 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Wil H

Well put. Beat me to it.


21 posted on 08/03/2007 10:05:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; LucyT; ..
Thanks for the ping Ernest.
...Reid and Pelosi lose if Bush wins. Given the position they have staked out for themselves, the best possible outcome is for Gen. David Petraeus to give a downbeat report on the surge when he comes before Congress in September. That would give tremendous momentum to those who want the quickest possible U.S. withdrawal from Iraq... By betting so much of their political capital on the issue, Reid and Pelosi have become invested in U.S. failure. A U.S. success would throw a wrench in their plans. That sounds harsh. But just read what Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told The Washington Post... the Post continued, "there have been signs that the commander of U.S. forces might be preparing something more generally positive." And that, Clyburn told the paper, would be "a real big problem for us." ...[NY Senator Charles Schumer] predicted, some Republicans face "extinction" while Democrats pick up more seats. American success in Iraq could mess all of that up. It's a terrible position for Democrats to be in, one they could have avoided if they had given the surge time to succeed or fail. But they put all their chips on failure before it even began... even if the surge is working, war supporters can be rightly furious at Bush for not doing it years ago. But at least they aren't betting on -- haven't staked their hopes on -- American failure. Who would want to do that?

22 posted on 08/03/2007 10:12:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bnelson44

bump


23 posted on 08/03/2007 10:14:05 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." Hold a hearing on that.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

As our gardener would say “Muchos gracias.”


24 posted on 08/03/2007 10:14:27 AM PDT by GFritsch ('All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved'." -)
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mentioned above:

A War We Just Might Win
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1873493/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1873593/posts

discussion thereof:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1873818/posts

related:

Poll: American Support for War Inches Up
(Rats,”stop the surge, it’s working and we might win”)
nytimes | 7/23/2007 | Megan Thee
Posted on 07/23/2007 4:09:44 PM EDT by tobyhill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1870400/posts

Now we Know why Kosovo War was ‘Just’ and Iraq Isn’t
Political Mavens | 16 May 2007 | Julia Gorin
Posted on 05/16/2007 9:21:21 AM EDT by radar101
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834418/posts


25 posted on 08/03/2007 10:18:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, August 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: knyteflyte3

Donkeys Upended!

I love that pic.


26 posted on 08/03/2007 10:43:16 AM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: NRA1776

He could kiss my butt.


27 posted on 08/03/2007 10:43:40 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: bnelson44
Too much political correctness in this article. This goes to tell you that the D.C media, even those on our side, are so careful not to offend the democrats by calling them what they really are: TRAITORS.
28 posted on 08/03/2007 11:06:55 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: I see my hands; vimto
This cartoonist had it perfectly right:
29 posted on 08/03/2007 11:09:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: HitmanLV

What is you solution Mr. Gloom and Doom?


30 posted on 08/03/2007 11:11:20 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas

I’m not gloom & doom, just trying to be clear minded.

As of now, I think it’s possible that the dems make strong gains no matter who the GOP nominee is. I don’t have a solution.


31 posted on 08/03/2007 11:12:28 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV

I am sure that you are hoping very much that this scenario happens.


32 posted on 08/03/2007 11:12:52 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas

Why? I’ve been a conservative since age 12 and a GOPer since age 18.

I try to make my observations are divorced from my hopes, as best I can.


33 posted on 08/03/2007 11:14:01 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV
You are not clear minded you just too pessimistic but you delude yourself that you are a realist.

Tell me again why would the American people elect the rudest, meanest, most uncharismatic, and most fake person for President? I mean Hillary Clinton. Your problem is that you complicate things more than it is, the American people will not elect for President a very nasty and mean woman like Hillary Clinton, just her incredibly annoying voice and the mean gestures of her face is enough to turn off the majority of voters away from her let alone that she is a communist and dwarfs John Kerry in flip flops. Neither her nor the media can do anything about this no matter how hard they try.

34 posted on 08/03/2007 11:18:09 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: HitmanLV
You are a bitter Buchananite style conservative who is rooting for American defeat so you can say” “I told you so”.
35 posted on 08/03/2007 11:19:19 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: jveritas
Tell me again why would the American people elect the rudest, meanest, most uncharismatic, and most fake person for President?

They elected LBJ didn't they? A mean, uncharismatic man. And he was elected in a landslide in better times.

The Clinton brand is strong. Hilly benefits from that. If the nation could elect Bill again, they would in a landslide. She benefits from the brand.

36 posted on 08/03/2007 11:23:22 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: bnelson44
Who would want to do that?

The enemy within, the domestic enemy AND their enablers who prop them up.

37 posted on 08/03/2007 11:25:03 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: jveritas

I have never voted for Pat Buchanan nor ever identified with him. You make this stuff up.

On a scale of -100 (loopy liberal) to 0 (moderate) to +100 (cocopuff conservative), I am about a +70-75. On FR, that makes me a ‘liberal,’ not a Buchanan fan. Actually, that shows just how skewed the conventional wisdom and perspective is on FR.


38 posted on 08/03/2007 11:25:30 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: bnelson44

The donkey party frequently works toward US weakness and defeat - this began with Vietnam and has been most evident in the Carter-Mondale fraud, the Clintonistas, and the current Demagogues in Congress. Heaven forbid that anyone should ever question their judgment, never mind their patriotism...... no wonder they are always squealing and wailing at the least hint of criticism.

Most of them do sincerely believe that a “multi-lateral” world in which the USA plays a weaker role and has to depend much more heavily upon the UN, EU, Russia and China, Islamo-fascists, etc. is for the better. They admit this and even argue for it when they are together at party meetings, academic conferences, etc. George Soros epitomizes their mindset when he longs for the end of this “bubble of American supremacy” as he calls it.

Only problem for them is, in electoral terms, that is a massive loser if they are ever honest about it. A large majority of the US public would not willingly embrace US weakness.... so of course they try desperately to keep their real views out of the picture in electoral campaigns, etc. They are all dishonest frauds.


39 posted on 08/03/2007 11:34:31 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: HitmanLV
LBJ was far more charismatic than Hillary Clinton and our human nature is more tolerable of a mean man than a mean woman. We call a mean woman a B****, the majority of voters are not going to elect a B**** for President.
41 posted on 08/03/2007 11:38:32 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: bnelson44
There will be a gathering on Spetember 15.... My message will be "Traitorous Cowards Cut And Run" and as always....
42 posted on 08/03/2007 11:39:32 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: jveritas
Exactly!

Democrats are more likely to lose big.

43 posted on 08/03/2007 11:43:21 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: jveritas

OK, if you say so. I think it’s immature to think Hilly is unelectable, that’s all.


44 posted on 08/03/2007 11:45:09 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: bnelson44
In total tonnage, Ted Kennedy is the Dims biggest problem.
45 posted on 08/03/2007 11:46:33 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (All our Washington Comedians.. politicians ? whatever!,say to Mexico: " Take my country....Please.")
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To: 1035rep

Amen.


46 posted on 08/03/2007 11:58:02 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: bnelson44
Dems’ 'Real Big Problem'

Not when the drive-bye's provide cover for them

47 posted on 08/03/2007 12:04:00 PM PDT by fulldeck
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To: bnelson44
George Bush is not risking his life in Afganistan or Iraq (others are) but he is risking his sacred honor in lobbying heavily for 20+ million Amnestied prospective and soon to be registered to VOTE DEMOCRATS..

If amnesty does not happen(with ramifications above) it will NOT BE because Bush had anything to do with it.. Soon American republicans will come to their senses and wonder about this very very strange attitude of G. Bush.. not to speak of his boy Sutton and the 2 border guards.. Sandy Berger WILL NOT go away either..

George Bush had better hope the WOT will delay a proper look at his domestic agenda.. How deep is the Mexican Drug Cartels( i,e, mexican gov't) embedded in Americas intelligence structure and political infrastucture?... For that matter is the Mexican Drug cartels not Mexican AT ALL but instead International??...

48 posted on 08/03/2007 12:09:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: I see my hands

Well I guess Rudy will have the question he asked in the first debate answered,If there is progress reported in september will the main stream biased left wing journalists report it ?
We all know the answer to that one, they will report it all right and then comes the big BUT...


49 posted on 08/03/2007 12:23:27 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: knyteflyte3

I’m seeing that old graphic as a great campaign poster against the dems. DEMOCRAT’S ANTI-AMERICAN BAGGAGE


50 posted on 08/03/2007 12:27:35 PM PDT by WVNan
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