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It's easy for soldiers to score heroin in Afghanistan
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/08/07/afghan_heroin/index.html?source=rss ^

Posted on 08/07/2007 4:06:19 PM PDT by chessplayer

Afghanistan -- Just outside the main gate to Bagram airfield, a U.S. military installation in Afghanistan, sits a series of small makeshift shops known by locals as the Bagram Bazaar.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; drugs; salon; veterans; wod; wot
Now the media will try to slime our troops as maniacal drug addicts as they did with troops who served in Vietnam.
1 posted on 08/07/2007 4:06:21 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
it’s also easy for them to do the ‘hokey pokey’. don't mean they do it.
2 posted on 08/07/2007 4:08:21 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: chessplayer

Exactly right. I understand it’s easy for Salon employees to score cocain and PCP too. Course you’d have to ween them off heroin for it to matter.

Don’t even try to get me to think of my offering as any different than theirs on our troops.


3 posted on 08/07/2007 4:09:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; SandRat; river rat; ExTexasRedhead; JulieRNR21

The DC Press Corps is smearing the troops again. Some things haven’t changed in the past 40 years.


4 posted on 08/07/2007 4:10:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: chessplayer

You can get it just as easy in the U.S..

Who do they think they are kidding?

GEESH!


5 posted on 08/07/2007 4:11:57 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: chessplayer

Well Duh.
The entire country is awash in opium poppys


6 posted on 08/07/2007 4:17:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: chessplayer

So they have MLK Boulevards in Afghanistan, too?


7 posted on 08/07/2007 4:19:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: chessplayer

[. . .The anecdotal information, however, suggests there may be a wave of new patients coming, and it will include many heroin users. . .]
“Anecdotal information” is what reporters use to prove a point when no concrete information exists.


8 posted on 08/07/2007 4:20:26 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: chessplayer
..typical liberal hit piece.
Somewhere in the article they refer to asking any American GI if they know someone who’s addicted over there....ask them if they know someone who’s addicted back in the states
Perhaps we should be asking the people who work at Salon, if they know of a coworker who’s addicted.
Same **** they wrote 40 years ago,same mindset,same game.
I hated them then,the feeling has never changed.
9 posted on 08/07/2007 4:24:16 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Down near the end of the article is the truth:

“The VA is the world’s largest provider of substance abuse services, caring for more than 350,000 veterans per year, of whom about 30,000 are being treated for opiate addiction. Only preliminary information for Iraq and Afghanistan is available, however, and veterans of those conflicts are not yet showing up in the stats.”
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Despite the hopeful “not yet”, you can bet the truth is very near zero......I say this because the VA loooooovvveesss anything it can claim to increase its own budget of money to waste..............after 6 years of being in Afghanistan, it just isn’t happening, no matter how hard the lefties wish for or try to conjure it......and you can bet that the vast, vast majority of “opiate” cases the VA cites are legitimate Rx’s that they themselves Rx to veterans for legitimate purposes that got out of hand.

Afghanistan and Iraq are not producing the junkies so desirable and dear to the lefties.


10 posted on 08/07/2007 4:24:16 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: chessplayer

It’s easy for Airmen to score weed just outside Kirtland AFB.

It’s easy for Airmen to score cocaine just outside Nellis AFB.

It’s easy for Airmen to score crack just outside Shaw AFB.

It’s easy for Soldiers to score heroin just outside Ft. Jackson.

The titles could go on and on.

Do they do it? Not likely, but some may.


11 posted on 08/07/2007 4:24:44 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: chessplayer
Now the media will try to slime our troops as maniacal drug addicts as they did with troops who served in Vietnam.

Just sticking to their tried and true tactics.

12 posted on 08/07/2007 4:26:50 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Doogle

I left about the same time you arrived.....I never once saw or heard of heroin, and I knew plenty who smoked weed when back in the rear....my frame of reference ends in Jul 68....the only other thing I saw beside weed and alcohol was once in a while someone came up with some of that blue stuff to smear on a Winston......


13 posted on 08/07/2007 4:28:15 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The true extent of the heroin problem among American soldiers now serving in Iraq and Afghanistan is unknown

How do you write an article on drug abuse and not have a soldier as an example. The Marines test guys all the time and lose very few due to positive tests.


14 posted on 08/07/2007 4:29:33 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Seems like it would be easy for the military to institute drug testing, if this became a problem.

If fact, I thought they already did some drug testing, but I’m not sure where/how/if?


15 posted on 08/07/2007 4:29:47 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Doogle; All

P.S.

reading what I wrote above makes it sound like I am denying that heroin was a problem in Vietnam.....I could have written it clear, to make the point that it came LATER than 1968, at least in anything one could possibly interpret as widespread......and I’m still not sure it was as widespread later as it was made to seem.


16 posted on 08/07/2007 4:34:33 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Clintonfatigued

17 posted on 08/07/2007 4:39:50 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: chessplayer

The true extent of the heroin problem among American soldiers now serving in Iraq and Afghanistan is unknown.

“So we’ll come up with a headline hoping to make the public think they’re all drug crazed baby killers!”


18 posted on 08/07/2007 4:40:20 PM PDT by kenth
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To: chessplayer
From past experience, for I have arranged this same transaction a dozen times in a dozen different Bagram Bazaar shops, I know that the $30 bag will contain enough pure to bring hundreds of dollars on the streets of any American city.

Sounds like Salon either has an addict or a dealer on the payroll. Would it take more than one transaction to prove you can buy the drugs in Bagram?

19 posted on 08/07/2007 4:50:59 PM PDT by OCC
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To: steveo

This just in, it’s easy for soldiers to get Twinkies at 7-11, and a Big Mac at McDonald’s. I hope they are not accusing my friends over there of being addicts.. I do not think I could look down on the MSM any less if they are.


20 posted on 08/07/2007 5:05:06 PM PDT by McCloud-Strife (John McCain: great American, poor Senator, Horrible Republican)
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To: chessplayer

The political Left in this country is the lowest form of lying trash.


21 posted on 08/07/2007 5:33:44 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: chessplayer
Not this again. How many media outlets test their employees as often as the Military for substance abuse?
22 posted on 08/07/2007 5:37:44 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: chessplayer

In the military, scoring drugs has always been just as easy as scoring women for those so inclined..........


23 posted on 08/07/2007 5:40:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Hatred of a person, place or religion is bigotry. Does God condemn hatred or bigotry?)
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To: Wiseghy

Our troops get regularly tested at home (in the US) for drugs. Every once in a long while you hear about someone “popping on a piss test”. I am pretty sure they probably do it overseas as well.


24 posted on 08/07/2007 5:44:31 PM PDT by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA 03-25-03)
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To: chessplayer
Lefies LOVE victims.. If you're not RICH... you're a victim..
The Cargo cultism of Marxist thought will be echoed..
25 posted on 08/07/2007 5:44:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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Its easy to score chocolate in Hersey.

When you are where any product is mass produced, it is proably easy to secure.


26 posted on 08/07/2007 5:45:13 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: chessplayer

MRE’s can bung up your cornhole, why put yourself at further risk with smack, it does the same thing...


27 posted on 08/07/2007 5:46:24 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Wiseghy

I MEANT GETTING REGULARLY TESTED.....NOT popping on a piss test. SORRY.


28 posted on 08/07/2007 5:47:59 PM PDT by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA 03-25-03)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I have in-processed almost 1,500 OEF/OIF disability claims in the last four years in my small VA Regional Office and the total number of opiate-dependent veterans I have seen among them is — exactly zero. The “30,000” figure alluded to in the article is (I would bet) 90% from the period 1967-1980 when the US military went to hell and had to be recovered.


29 posted on 08/07/2007 5:48:07 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
It was a M A J O R problem in the 173d in 70/71 in the line units. MJ was too easily detected and H was cheap and plentiful. Oh yes, there was a wee problem with race relations also at that time.

Can't speak for other units, but the stories I heard from friends at the time suggest it was pretty widespread.

30 posted on 08/07/2007 5:50:59 PM PDT by There's millions of'em (Dem Strategy = Flaws to applause)
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To: Recon Dad
The Army spokesman quoted in the story said the rate of “clean” urinalysis for both the Afghanistan and Iraq theaters was 98 percent.

This reporter seems to have spent a lot of time trying to prove that the war is creating GI addicts but, like he says, all his information is “anecdotal.”

John Kerry finally admitted that he never witnessed a single atrocity in Vietnam and that all his information was “anecdotal”—urban legend.

The experience the U.S. military had with heroin in Vietnam showed that out of all personnel who tested positive for opiates upon their return to the states, all but about 10 percent recovered after some treatment and counseling. What this seemed to indicate was that of the minority of U.S. personnel in RVN who were experimenting with or abusing heroin or opium, only about 10 percent were true addicts who could not permanently recover. This chronic addict group was probably a smaller percentage than addicts in the U.S. general population.

The disease concept of chemical dependency—the prevailing theory of addiction among a majority of medical, mental health and treatment professionals—states that alcoholics and addicts are born with a genetic predisposition to addiction which manifests itself with the first use of these substances.

Popular propaganda has claimed for 40 years that Vietnam produced an army of drug addicts, drunks and psychotics. The news media, Hollywood and activist historians used a lot of “anecdotal information” and veteran imposters to push this crap.

B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley wrote “Stolen Valor” (Verity Press—ISBN 096670360-X) in 1998. This is an exhaustively researched book that proves Vietnam veterans as a whole statistically had lower rates of desertion and criminal indictment than World War II veterans. It also shows how popular culture created the “Rambo” myth.

The Salon story is just one of the constant smears the news media publishes to diminish the honor of America’s fighting forces and lower the public’s morale in the War on Terror. The media are old hands at this game.

31 posted on 08/07/2007 6:12:36 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: chessplayer
"The true extent of the heroin problem among American soldiers now serving in Iraq and Afghanistan is unknown."

Since the honor, courage and patriotism of our Armed Forces have produced so little fodder for the left to use to damage morale and undermine the war effort salon thought they might make something up. They have no evidence that a problem even exists, but since the drive by has such a problem with substance abuse and sexual deviance, even if the Armed forces have a fraction of the problem then it's major.

32 posted on 08/07/2007 6:16:44 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: There's millions of'em

The unit I was in was awash in heroin in `70-`71.Heard
2 shots when some bro`s shot a major trying to arrest
them smoking mj.

Yeah,you could get those little vials of scag for about
$2 and put it in your Marlboro and smoke it like normal,
Then there were your hard core that warmed it up.

A wee problem with race relations,yeah.It was scary where
I was.I liked it better out in the field,


33 posted on 08/07/2007 6:21:03 PM PDT by 31M20RedDevil (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: There's millions of'em

I saw first hand only up until mid-68 and only in the 1st Inf Div....the news references about it didn’t begin until long after that.......I’m sure it was available, but it wasn’t popular, so to speak, until later..........geez, when I got drafted in fall of 66 marijuana in the states wasn’t very widely and openly available yet except for places like NYC, SFO, etc. I am absolutely certain I knew more guys in Vn who smoked their first reefer THERE than had ever tried or even had a chance to consider junk. But I do also know that what you say is and was true 2 yrs after my DEROS. By that time the “Woodstock generation” was arriving in Vn.


34 posted on 08/07/2007 6:22:49 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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