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'We have broken speed of light'
Telegraph ^ | 8/16/07 | Nick Fleming

Posted on 08/16/2007 10:15:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."


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1 posted on 08/16/2007 10:15:46 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Warp speed ahead.


2 posted on 08/16/2007 10:17:03 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: LibWhacker

‘Spooky action at a distance’?


3 posted on 08/16/2007 10:17:09 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: LibWhacker
[i]Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."[/i]

How many do you need?
4 posted on 08/16/2007 10:18:28 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: LibWhacker

Well they better fix it and soon. I utilize the speed of light frequently and I’m not at all happy about this.


5 posted on 08/16/2007 10:19:04 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: LibWhacker

You break it you buy it. Gonna cost you a lot of c-notes.


6 posted on 08/16/2007 10:19:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agammemnon dead.)
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To: LibWhacker

Wow! That’s almost as fast as Jesse Jackson moving to get in front of a camera.


7 posted on 08/16/2007 10:19:27 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: LibWhacker
According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

This is all bogus. You'd think that after a hundred years of staring at thia relativity thing somebody would be onto the scam. But noooo....

8 posted on 08/16/2007 10:19:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


9 posted on 08/16/2007 10:19:55 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: LibWhacker

10 posted on 08/16/2007 10:20:01 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: LibWhacker

Oh yeah?...well how fast can they do the Kessel run?

11 posted on 08/16/2007 10:20:14 AM PDT by Gator101
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To: LibWhacker

The speed of light: Not just a suggestion, it’s the law.


12 posted on 08/16/2007 10:20:19 AM PDT by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: LibWhacker
For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

From an old Zager and Evans song.

Somewhere very far away, maybe it's only yesterdaaaaaaayy.

In the year 2525, if man is still alive. If woman can survive they may fiiiiiiiiiind.

13 posted on 08/16/2007 10:20:30 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: LibWhacker

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: “For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of.”

So smart yet he can’t master elementary grammar.


14 posted on 08/16/2007 10:20:43 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: LibWhacker
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
15 posted on 08/16/2007 10:20:45 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger???)
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To: LibWhacker

16 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:10 AM PDT by Eepsy (The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: LibWhacker

broken the speed of light

about time
now what?


17 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:13 AM PDT by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: LibWhacker

Utterly incredible if true.


18 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: LibWhacker

I understand they made that announcement 2 weeks from now.


19 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:19 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (CLYBURN: Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that.)
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To: Post-Neolithic

Now, if we could only find some dilithium crystals...


20 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:19 AM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: LibWhacker

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

Heck, I can already do that.....jump on a plane to CGO from Detroit.... I ALWAYS get there 30 minutes or so before I left......


21 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:27 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: LibWhacker

The only way they can do that is to also change the constants of permeability and permittivity.


22 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:34 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: LibWhacker
I wonder the photon traveled between the two prisms or if it was in both prisms at the same time (ie, located at two places at the same time- quantum physics says this is a possibility.)
23 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:50 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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To: LibWhacker

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991005114024.htm
“It is easier for me to question Einstein’s theory than it is to assume there is some kind of strange, exotic matter around me in my kitchen.”


24 posted on 08/16/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: LibWhacker

No.

Einstein said it.
I believe it.
Anyone saying otherwise is a ‘denier’.


25 posted on 08/16/2007 10:22:06 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You break it you buy it. Gonna cost you a lot of c-notes.

PRICELESS!

26 posted on 08/16/2007 10:22:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: MNJohnnie

Do photons have mass?


27 posted on 08/16/2007 10:22:16 AM PDT by wolfinator
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To: LibWhacker
first quantum tunneling
second sub-space communications
third warp drive
fourth teleporters

then .....

hot alien babes in skimpy clothes
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/drusilla.htm

28 posted on 08/16/2007 10:22:21 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Roccus

On April 5, 2063 at 11:15 a.m. Zepram Cochrain made man’s first Warp Speed flight accompanied by Steppenwolf’s Magic Carpet Ride.


29 posted on 08/16/2007 10:22:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: kinoxi
At one time surgeons scoffed at the idea that it was a good idea to wash their hands before conducting surgery. That is the problem with only believing in what can be empirically proved.
30 posted on 08/16/2007 10:22:54 AM PDT by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: LibWhacker

31 posted on 08/16/2007 10:23:00 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: RightWhale
"The other day I put instant coffee in my microwave oven ... I almost went back in time ..."
- Steven Wright
32 posted on 08/16/2007 10:23:11 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: ClearCase_guy

E=MC-notes?........squared?...........


33 posted on 08/16/2007 10:23:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor..................)
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To: RayStacy
Allow me..

Wow! That’s almost as fast as Jesse Jackson moving to get in front of a camera. TO A STACK OF MONEY.

Fixed.

34 posted on 08/16/2007 10:24:32 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Post-Neolithic

That was my immediate thought.

“Warp 9, Mr. Data”


35 posted on 08/16/2007 10:24:42 AM PDT by montomike (If you didn't find this funny or amusing...have a worldwide riot.)
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To: LibWhacker

Time to get the quantum slipstream drive online and get Voyager HOME!


36 posted on 08/16/2007 10:24:59 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: LibWhacker

Dumb question alert: why is the speed of LIGHT specifically supposedly the ceiling on speed?


37 posted on 08/16/2007 10:25:04 AM PDT by 1L
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To: mnehrling

It could be they were using an analog stopwatch.


38 posted on 08/16/2007 10:25:21 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ClearCase_guy

*groan*


39 posted on 08/16/2007 10:25:28 AM PDT by null and void (I hate to suggest something this radical, but why not let the policy follow the facts? ~ReignOfError)
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To: Clump

Of course they scoffed. After all, their hands were just going to get dirty again.


40 posted on 08/16/2007 10:25:33 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: LibWhacker

Im a physics major.

This is unbelievable...if its true. Ill believe it when i see it.


41 posted on 08/16/2007 10:25:37 AM PDT by camerakid400
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To: LibWhacker

Howard Dean may be interested in this...yeararrgh!!!


42 posted on 08/16/2007 10:26:51 AM PDT by asparagus
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To: massgopguy
On April 5, 2063 at 11:15 a.m. Zepram Cochrain made man’s first Warp Speed flight accompanied by Steppenwolf’s Magic Carpet Ride.

BAH! I did it in 1973 to the same music!

43 posted on 08/16/2007 10:26:53 AM PDT by OSHA (Liberals will lick the boot on their necks if they think the other boot is on yours and mine.)
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To: LibWhacker

“The researchers said they began their work, because they found the Autobahn too slow for them.”

Seriously, you start messing with photons and other quantum stuff, and gets weird real quick. (faster than light quick)


44 posted on 08/16/2007 10:27:29 AM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: LibWhacker
For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of.

That, and the fact that gravity propagates at a speed that must be at least 2 * 1010 c, and may be infinite. If gravity moved at the comparatively sluggish speed of light then the Earth would spiral into the Sun.

It turns out that Einstein's theory of Special Relativity has subtle flaws* whereas (I am given to understand) Lorentz's much less famous but broadly equivalent construct for relativity works with an infinite speed of gravity.

* But don't ask me what they are! I'm leaving the thread with my fingers in my ears, lalalalala I can't hear you!

45 posted on 08/16/2007 10:27:40 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: null and void

There was a young lady named bright
whose speed was much faster than light
she went out one day
in a relative way
and returned the previous night


46 posted on 08/16/2007 10:27:57 AM PDT by null and void (I hate to suggest something this radical, but why not let the policy follow the facts? ~ReignOfError)
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To: wolfinator
Do photons have mass?

I didn't even know they were Catholic!

47 posted on 08/16/2007 10:28:27 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson - POTUS 44)
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To: 1L

Relativity was devised to explain some things about electromagnetic radiation. It explains nothing about things that aren’t photons or photon related. Cerenkov radiation is an example of something of possible interest.


48 posted on 08/16/2007 10:28:30 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: wolfinator

Not measurable mass. Therefore it doesn’t seem that special relativity is violated. Like another poster has stated, quantum mechanics states that it is possible that the photon was observed in both prisms simultaneously.

Or maybe one of their clocks was off by a millisecond or so.

The real test for this will be reproducibility.


49 posted on 08/16/2007 10:28:32 AM PDT by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: LibWhacker

As one who earns a living off lightwave and lasers, I say “Hogwash!”


50 posted on 08/16/2007 10:28:39 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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