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'We have broken speed of light'
Telegraph ^ | 8/16/07 | Nick Fleming

Posted on 08/16/2007 10:15:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
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To: SubGeniusX
They've past ludicris speed and, gone straight to plaid!

"Say what?"

-PJ

351 posted on 08/17/2007 9:08:14 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: RightWhale
Yes. Also several threads about slowing light to a walking pace, and even stopping it temporarily.

Glad to know it wasn't my imagination.

If they narrow or widen a photon's frequency off of the scale...

352 posted on 08/17/2007 9:15:24 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: mnehrling

What I want to know is what kind of radar gun were they using to measure the speed of those photons???? And if it means that those photons actually arrived before they left, then wouldn’t the radar gun read a negative number for speed or at most zero?


353 posted on 08/17/2007 9:29:12 AM PDT by Paco
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To: GoLightly

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882129/posts?page=203#203
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1882129/posts?page=204#204

Harvard scientists say they’ve stopped light: Speed of light is zero
Source: Boston Glob
Published: 1/18/2001 Author: Douglas Bailey
Posted on 01/18/2001 14:18:46 PST by rface
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a676bc673d0.htm

Sit. Speak. Good Photon! (Scientists can make light stand still)
NASA
Posted on 04/10/2002 12:14:29 PM EDT by Texaggie79
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Ultra-simple Desktop Device Slows Light To A Crawl At Room Temperature
Science Daily | 4-1-2003 | Editorial Staff
Posted on 04/01/2003 10:25:59 PM EST by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/882428/posts

not really related:

Speed Of Light May Not Be Constant, Physicist Suggests
Source: www.sciencedaily.com
Published: 10-6-1999 Author: Bruce Rolston
Posted on 10/06/1999 07:24:31 PDT by boris
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37fb5b9f2bf6.htm

Faster Than the Speed of Light: E = mc2, Except When It Doesn’t
NY Times | 2/09/03 | George Johnson
Posted on 02/28/2003 8:57:55 AM EST by Boot Hill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853725/posts


354 posted on 08/17/2007 9:34:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, August 17, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MHGinTN

:-)


355 posted on 08/17/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by Reaganesque (Romney for President 2008)
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To: Reaganesque
When you mentioned Wright, I knew you had/have a good sense of humor! Now, if we can just figure out a way to get all this political goop over with ... ;^)
356 posted on 08/17/2007 11:51:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: jeddavis
Gravity propagates instantaneously to within our ability to measure it and that has been known for several centuries. Every time you take five steps you are sending a gravitational message out into the cosmos and somebody on the far side of our galaxy with a sensitive enough instrument could read that message and it wouldn’t take him thousands of years to do it; he’d probably be able to read it inside of a second.

I responded to this misconception in post #287. Gravity travels at or near the speed of light as far as experiments have determined. If you haven't studied quantum mechanics, electrodynamics, and optics then you should STOP NOW before you dig yourself a hole. The same bad logic that people use to say that gravity travels faster than the speed of light also works almost identically for electromagnetism, a force ~10^40 times stronger. And I don't think there is any doubt that electromagnetic interactions work at the speed of light.

357 posted on 08/17/2007 1:48:29 PM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: sola_fide

Good point. When people talk about going faster than the speed of light, they generally mean taking something travelling slower than the speed of light, making it travel faster than the speed of light, for a time, then getting it back to less than the speed of light at a desired destination.

Shorthand for this generally incudes terms such as “breaking the light barrier”, etc.


358 posted on 08/17/2007 2:31:12 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Post-Neolithic
Warp speed ahead.>>>>>>>>>>

You remind me of my favorite line in "Space Balls" , the movie.Something to the effect of:

Are we at hyper light speed?

She's gone to .....Plaid!

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359 posted on 08/17/2007 9:57:55 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: MNJohnnie; rageaholic

Utterly impossible and untrue. Its like the claim recently about creating ‘cold fusion’. Wait and see, they’ll be retracting this tidbit soon enough.


360 posted on 08/17/2007 10:02:22 PM PDT by John Frum
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To: kinoxi
‘Spooky action at a distance’?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are right on that. Reminds me of Saturday night at the movies as a pubescent teen, applied to physics?

Neat!

I hope everyone realizes that , if true, this means that time travel IS indeed possible, both to the future , and more difficult, into the past.

So if Hillery wins, we can just come back and ........... ........................................................ ........................................................ ........................................................ ......................JIMMY THE CHADS!

LOL.

361 posted on 08/17/2007 10:02:29 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: John Frum

I agree. 1st thought that popped into my head reading this “Didn’t we hear all this about Cold Fusion”?


362 posted on 08/18/2007 7:50:45 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: Grumpy_Mel
The light didn’t arrive at the destination before it left it’s point of origin.... it arrived before it was DETECTED (at the destination) to have left. HUGE difference..... the former represents a logical paradox, the latter simply represents our limitations of being able to MEASURE a phenominom.

Yours is one of the best descriptions of this I've ever seen. Too bad it is something reporters are incapable of understanding. 

363 posted on 08/19/2007 8:01:19 PM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: Erasmus

I think we are both desperately lacking a rim shot...


364 posted on 08/20/2007 5:46:09 AM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; Gamecock; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan
We have broken the speed of light....Well they better fix it and soon. I utilize the speed of light frequently and I’m not at all happy about this."

Don't worry about it. I broke mine, and used some 100-mile-an-hour tape. It'll fix anything. Learned that in the Army.

I've got the speed of light down to about Autobahn cruising speed, and everything's just fine.

365 posted on 08/20/2007 5:52:34 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: LibWhacker
A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

What they and other have claimed to do with entangled photons is not breaking the speed of light. No thing is being propelled at more than 186,000 miles per second. As far as the special relativity is concerned, it really cannot prohibit the use of such a phenomenon for communication since communication is not a thing but a social construct, a mutually agreed upon set of expectations of what a particular symbology is meant to convey. But nothing subject to light speed restrictions is actually being physically conveyed across space or time.
366 posted on 08/20/2007 5:53:34 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: xzins; ElkGroveDan; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan
Once again I cooked my rear brakes cruising the autobahn.

On a side note, this stuff might be the duct tape of the 21st century.


367 posted on 08/20/2007 6:24:25 AM PDT by Gamecock (.)
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To: RayStacy

roflmao! to rich for words


368 posted on 08/20/2007 6:33:35 AM PDT by Republic (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Mark Levin have a genuine passion for our nation!)
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To: xzins

LOLOL!


369 posted on 08/20/2007 9:08:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gamecock

Jeepers!


370 posted on 08/20/2007 9:09:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: burzum; Physicist

Bump. Good point.


371 posted on 08/21/2007 12:56:02 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: LibWhacker

:’) different research, related:

Scientists Mess with the Speed of Light (breaking the speed limit, sort of)
pure energy systems | 19 aug 05 | Ker Than
Posted on 08/24/2005 9:02:52 PM EDT by Arkie2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1470073/posts


372 posted on 08/28/2007 11:18:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, August 26, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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