Armed gang attacks family in car-(GB firearms on the loose)

bbc ^ | 18 August 2007 | bbc

[Flavius]

Armed police were called after a family visiting relatives were robbed by 10 masked men, two with guns.

The driver was parked near his parents' home in Eldon Road, Luton, on Thursday evening when a gang surrounded his car.

He fled on foot towards a nearby bridge but two of the offenders caught him and took his car keys, police said.

His brother and a friend also ran away but were not followed. Two girls aged 13 and six left in the car were made to hand over clothing and mobiles phones.

[no-to-illegals]

Strange how your comment is so true. Our Men and Women, in the theater of War, have been far safer than our innocent citizens, here inside our borders. Our death count, inside our border is higher, than the death count of our Men and Women in the theater. What is extremely strange is, if our Men and Women in Uniform were to come home, their lives would be in greater danger. Not because America is not armed, but because, not enough Americans are armed....mho

sprinkled with fact and opinion...

[cubreporter]

They left two girls in the car while they ran??????????????? What kind of men would do such a thing? Run and leave the girls alone??????
There’s much more to this story I bet than meets the eye.

[cubreporter]

You are entitled to your opinion but...you are so wrong.

You stand and fight if you have to to protect yourself and the innocent children with you. You do what you can. You stand and fight with anything and everything available to you. You stand and fight and maybe, just maybe the perps will take off. Either way...you stood and fought with everything you had to do the right thing. Looking in the mirror then wouldn’t be so disgusting would it?

So I say “NO...in FAIRNESS TO them”... instead it is in FAIRNESS TO THE CHILDREN that they should have stayed and fought the good fight. Two of them ran away???????? Disgraceful. Absolutely shameless.

[asp1]

I didn’t say it wasn’t. I was only repeating what the British themselves are saying about Luton, and posters on that board were saying that Luton was one of the worst cities in England.

[Disambiguator]

Yes we can, I own three guns. Our self-defence laws are very similar to yours. The runners were muslims.

Since you brought it up, what are they? Handguns, rifles, shotguns?

Also, some people stateside consider three guns to be a good day's haul at the local gun shop, or a nice start to a collection. :^)

[03A3]

Yep, no handguns in the UK. Unless you own a large piece of property a ‘Smelly’ is an awful self defense weapon, and a downright foolish choice if neighbors close by. I bet the shotguns are SxS with 30” tubes also.

[patton]

These laws, in the US, are not homogenious. They vary from state to state, and from county to county.

In some places, it is legal to shoot trespassers at night - in others, it is pretty much illegal to own a gun, period.

[patton]

Also, trating US crime stats as indicitive of crime rates in the entire country is a bad idea.

Some areas have little crime, while in others, it is endemic (Detroit).

[Disambiguator]

I heard from another UK Freeper that they could own a Ruger Super Blackhawk with the 7.5” barrel, because it was too long to be considered a “handgun” by their standards.

Excuse my ignorance, but what’s a “Smelly”?

[wku man]

Kind of like the brave, strapping young men of Virginia Tech who gallantly jumped out windows and ran away, saving their own skins while leaving an 80-year old Holocaust survivor to block the door and take a scumbag's bullets for them. Cowardice knows no borders, and heroism knows no age.

Flame on.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[wku man]

:Think of the Virginia Tech shooting - it’s not really logical to expect typical college kids to react like Army Rangers or Navy Seals."

But it is for an 80-year old Holocaust survivor? Do we have to send everyone to SEAL or Ranger school to get some backcone back in our citizenry?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[SWAMPSNIPER]

“Blackbelt” my hiney! I worked high risk jobs for decades, lots of money involved, I also raised a pretty daughter. I suppose I sent some kind of message, I’ve been told I have “gunfighter eyes”.
“If a criminal’s got the drop on you”? Hell, pay attention, stop lollygagging through life like some damned Hippy! I could walk down my steps tomorrow morning and get bit by a big mean Mocassin, but, it hasn’t happened yet!
You never, ever, put down a foot, until you are sure that nothing is there with teeth.
I suspect you are amazed and dismayed upon learning that some things will eat you, didn’t your momma ever tell you anything?
Smith and Wesson beats Kung Foo, any day of the week!

[SWAMPSNIPER]

A “smelly” is a “short magazine Lee Enfield”. Two piece stock, a springy rear locking action, and an archaic rimmed cartridge. It may be better than a Brown Bess musket, but it ain’t as pretty and smells a lot worse!

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

My aren’t you in a bad mood today! Chuck was a Blackbelt. The criminal was waiting outside his restaurant for closing time, to rip off the day’s cash. The police report said he was shot from a distance of about 2 feet. Chuck’s wife said that the instant Chuck started to move to disarm the thug, the jerk pulled the trigger. Hit him square in the forehead. You ain’t faster than I speeding bullet, no matter how brave you think you are.
And your personal comments about me couldn’t be more wrong! Check out some of my p[ostings before making dumb remarks.

[Disambiguator]

I didn’t see the part in the prior post where he said he had two shotguns and an SMLE. Not enough coffee before reading through the thread, I guess...

[William Tell]

britemp said: "Last year 50 people were murdered with guns in the UK compared to 11000 in the US."

How many with knives?

[Travis McGee]

These guy’s left a 13 year old girl and a 6 year girl in the car to fend for themselves while they ran away???

The British Lion has been turned into a neutered, declawed pussycat.

[Travis McGee]

Well, as men are allowed to own guns in America, I can only assume that this type of crime never happens in the US. . .

Actually, gun laws vary greatly from state to state and city to city. This type of crime most often happens in the USA in the cities that have chosen to outlaw legal firearms ownership. It is very rare in the states that permit concealed carry of pistols by qualified citizens.

For example, the recent notorious triple execution murder occurred in Newark New Jersey, a city where it is illegal for citizens to lawfully carry a defensive pistol. When criminals know that their victims are helpless, then criminals are emboldened. In every state where concealed pistols (with permits) are allowed, street crime has dropped.

And compared to the UK, "hot" burglaries of occupied home invasions in the USA are very rare. Criminals are not suicidal. In the USA, the policy is "a man's home is his castle." In the UK, you are not even allowed to defend your very home with violence, lest you the victim be arrested and convicted.

[Travis McGee]

I'm trying to think of a recent example where healthy American men RAN AWAY from thugs, leaving young girls to the mercy of violent criminals. Sorry, I can't come up with an example.

I guess the balls haven't been bred out of us Yanks yet, as appears to be the case in the UK, where even your RN sailors and sailorettes would rather throw their hands up than fight.