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Gun Lobby Or Smart Citizens?
Good for the Country ^ | August 30th, 2007 | John Longenecker

Posted on 08/24/2007 10:53:27 AM PDT by gc4nra

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To: gc4nra
"WOW! 41 percent of New Yorkers."

So, 41% of New Yorkers believe that Americans should be allowed to own automatic weapons but they can't get a majority of New Yorkers to support the ownership of handguns?

Gee, maybe they meant that Americans should be allowed to own automatic weapons -- outside of New York.

21 posted on 08/24/2007 12:57:48 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: hiredhand; Joe Brower

JB has the gun list, I usually ping him to gun threads.


22 posted on 08/24/2007 2:53:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower

That’s GOOD to know. Hey Joe, can you put me on your ping list? TIA. :-)


23 posted on 08/24/2007 3:05:13 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

A submachine gun is a firearm that combines the automatic fire of a machine gun with the cartridge of a pistol, and is usually between the two in weight and size. They were first experimented with in the form of a stocked pistol being converted from semi to fully automatic in the early 20th century


24 posted on 08/24/2007 3:58:12 PM PDT by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

The Question as posted on the power of 10 website does say “automatic weapons”, as shown here: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/powerof10/community/. As to owning automatic weapons you obviously don’t live in CA.


25 posted on 08/24/2007 5:08:52 PM PDT by NRA_lifer_RC
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To: robertpaulsen
“but they can’t get a majority of New Yorkers to support the ownership of handguns?”

They can’t get a majority of voters to pass an initiative allowing the free ownership of handguns. That doesn’t mean that they don’t support it. It simply means many gun owners are either lazy or have lost faith in the process, and don’t vote.

26 posted on 08/24/2007 5:14:47 PM PDT by NRA_lifer_RC
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To: Nathan Zachary

“The question didn’t ask “automatic weapons” it asked how many thought Americans should be allowed to have “machine guns”.”

It asked automatic weapons.

The term “machine gun” actually means the same thing, but in peoples minds it means a military type of fully automatic weapon.

Not all automatic weapons are machine guns. Machine gun generally refers to a crew served or belt fed weapon in a rifle caliber.


27 posted on 08/24/2007 9:22:19 PM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: NRA_lifer_RC

My bet is lazy.


28 posted on 08/24/2007 9:23:03 PM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: NRA_lifer_RC
"It simply means many gun owners are either lazy or have lost faith in the process, and don’t vote."

Meaning these polls are worthless and should be ignored. Responding to a poll question costs nothing and obligates no one.

29 posted on 08/25/2007 7:23:49 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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30 posted on 08/25/2007 7:32:38 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Technically that should be Submachine Gun Kelly.


31 posted on 08/25/2007 9:07:59 AM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: gc4nra

Perhaps people were reluctant to point out his error, huh?


32 posted on 08/25/2007 9:56:59 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

LOL!


33 posted on 08/25/2007 10:27:11 AM PDT by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: robertpaulsen

Umnnnhhh...whether a majority of New York residents do or do not favor concealed carry is irrelevant.

It takes a majority of the Common Council (whatever) and a Mayor to make CCW practically available.

Also note that other surveys on roughly the same topic show results that ‘citizens of major cities are evenly divided’ on most gun issues.

So NYC residents are evenly divided—but outstate is likely 2/3rds or more with the NRA’s position(s).


34 posted on 08/25/2007 5:44:54 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NRA_lifer_RC
It simply means many gun owners are either lazy or have lost faith in the process, and don’t vote.

Not quite.

"Initiative-referendums" are not available under the Wisconsin Constitution--and it's likely that New York State doesn't allow them either.

And in Wisconsin, we were ONE vote short of over-riding our JackassGovernor's veto--meaning that we had 2/3rds of the Leggies on our side.

Don't know about NYState, but getting a 67++% Leggie majority is damned hard to do, period.

35 posted on 08/25/2007 5:48:49 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ninenot
"Umnnnhhh...whether a majority of New York residents do or do not favor concealed carry is irrelevant. It takes a majority of the Common Council (whatever) and a Mayor to make CCW practically available."

I understand. But the people DO elect the Common Council and the Mayor? They CAN make their voices known?

My point is, anyone can respond to a survey -- machine guns? Sure, why not? But when asked to actually go to the polls and vote to legalize it ... different matter altogether.

36 posted on 08/26/2007 5:00:36 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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I don’t know too much about NYC politics, but my guess is that gun-rights are not too high on anyone’s platform—whether Yea or Nay.

And I will grant you that most of the population in NYC probably doesn’t give a rotten damn about it. Those who want guns, legal or not, have them. Those who don’t don’t.

But my guess is also that there are a lot of NYC citizens who have guns—the law-abiding, quiet types—and maybe don’t even have them registered. They CERTAINLY don’t have carry-permits, even if they carry.


37 posted on 08/26/2007 11:47:41 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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