Skip to comments.DNC tells Florida Dems to change primary plan (or lose all of its delegates to the convention)
Posted on 08/26/2007 1:52:13 PM PDT by Jean S
The Democratic National Committee (DNC) Saturday gave the Florida Democratic Party 30 days to submit a new plan for a primary or caucus or lose all of its delegates to the nominating convention.
Adopting a resolution offered by committeeman Ralph Dawson of New York, the DNCs rules and bylaws committee all but ignored the pleas of the Florida party and voted almost unanimously to strip the state of all its delegates unless it offers a new plan that meets DNC rules.
The state ran afoul of the committees new primary rules when it decided to adhere to a new state law that moved the primary to Jan. 29, in violation of the DNC rule preventing unapproved states from holding a nominating contest before Feb. 5. The rules committee officially found the delegate selection plan Florida submitted to be in noncompliance Saturday when it adopted Dawsons resolution.
Florida party representatives argued unsuccessfully that they should be given an exemption and not be punished because they had taken provable, positive steps to obey the rule, but they were unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor.
Were asking for mercy, not judgment, Florida DNC member Jon Ausman told the committee.
The rules committee, however, was unmoved by the arguments of the Florida delegation and moved promptly to not only enforce its rules but to make them as harsh as possible.
Any state that moved its primary ahead of the Feb. 5 window automatically loses half of its delegates under the new rules.
Presidential candidates that campaign in a state in violation would lose any delegates they win in that state. But committee co-chairman Jim Roosevelt said after the vote that in this case, there would be no sanction on the campaigns since there would be no delegates at stake.
Its essentially a beauty contest or a straw poll, committee co-chairwoman Alexis Herman told reporters.
Florida Democratic Party chairwoman Karen Thurman told reporters after the vote she would take the news back to the executive and central committees of the state party.
I think its going to be a difficult discussion, Thurman said.
Everyone involved said they are optimistic a solution can be found, and Thurman stated that the 30-day reprieve was the only thing to come out of the meeting that gives her hope.
In adopting the harsh penalties, the rules committee appeared to be sending a message to other state parties and legislatures such as Michigan, that any moves ahead of the Feb. 5 window would be met with stiff penalties and little to no leniency.
The Michigan legislature and state parties have in recent days appeared poised to move its primary to Jan. 15.
Can you imagine the Vader-esque voice from the ivory towers of the Left?
“You failed us eight years ago. You will not have the chance to fail us again...”
Looks like the Dem party has learned a lesson from the Union thugs that “support” them...
From the party that wants every vote counted... /s
You had to reach a long way to come up with a statement so lacking in intelligence.
I get the feeling that the Democrats would love to do this in the general election as well, to “de-commission” states like Texas that always vote the wrong way.
Wow, they managed to disenfranchise an entire state. We were only able to disenfranchise those too criminally stupid to properly fill out a ballot.
Hanging chad anyone?
So which are you - a Democrat, or a Union Thug? The reason I asked? Your questioning my “intelligence”.
Just because you fail to see the semi-humorous (I guess not to you), tongue-in-cheek stab at the Democrat party thugs, then I guess you probably shouldn’t read about 20% of the posts here on FR.
Lets see - let me explain this to you in language that MAYBE you might understand, and not be offended...:
Which political party most directly benefits from the big unions?
And what is one of the classic strong-arm tactics of the big unions? Do what we demand “or else”.
And finally - what is the DNC telling the Florida party? Do what we say “or else”...
Come one guys, lighten up. This is important news, your little spat isn’t.
I hope FL tells the DNC to pound sand. Just remember in 2000 they were crying about "democracy" and "intent of the voter" and "count ever vote" and who can ignore their rushing to the courts in St Louis (and other places) to keep the polls open for an unfair advantage?
I don't think he was so far off. Didn't the unions recently attempt to get a law passed that basically eliminated the "anonymous ballot" meaning that all votes were identified and tied directly to the voter? This was a major problem due to the recorded history of union intimidation and corruption that infests union activities. Sadly, many unions have been infiltrated by the same likes that run civil rights groups and other branches of the unified socialist movement.
I think "battman" was simply insinuating that there's a history of intimidation to influence or rather "savagely curtail" any independent thinking outside of that which the DNC dictates. And I use the word "dictate" in the worst sense. All these folks need is a symbol a little harsher than the donkey and they can begin goosestepping parades and we won't be able to tell the difference from now and 1939 Berlin.
The consistency between the DNC and the unions referred to in Battman's post is simply the heavy handed techniques used to influence votes and election outcomes. I suspect that threatening to deprive the Florida Democrats of electoral representation in a Presidential election may (ah-hem) motivate them to reconsider their position.
I mean, you might be leaning towards defense of union activity. Yet that's an issue of public relations, and flaming him isn't going to help any...
At any rate, I didn't understand the contention there.
If I was a Florida Democrat, I’d feel disenfranchised.
Of course if I was a Florida Democrat, I’d have my head up my butt, but I digress. ;-)
This I don’t get. Florida is such a split state, why tip the balance towards the Republicans by doing this?
If I were a dem voter in Florida, I would be really pissed by this.
This is truly hilarious, the ‘Rat Party is already headed for a massive fissure between the Clintonistas who believe Mrs. Bill Clinton has some sort of birthright to the nomination, and the ‘ABC’ faction (Anybody But Clinton), and here we see Howard Dean basically telling Florida to G.F.T. and ‘obey or else’.
There is a reason for this, and it’s not complicated:
Howard Dean despises the Clintons. He will deny it, he will say all sorts of nice things about them, he will grin that insane grin of his and swear they are the best thing that ever happened to the Party, but don’t you believe it.
Dean hates ‘em, and his choosing to alienate Florida does not surprise me one bit.
They ARE serious there, aren’t they?
Democrats are ruthless when it comes to an election time, they are the real party of dogma.
I guess Howard Dean’s “50 state solution” does not include the Sunshine State South. Good logic: If you don’t want “stolen” just piss it away.
I love this guy!
The California Primary really starts on Jan. 7. During the first week, there will be massive early absentee voting for Hillary. That will be reported to pollsters and the news media. Hillary’s gang is creating a tsunami before Iowa or New Hamspshire.
I’m not flamming anyone. I am making a point however. If it is on-going criminality that you choose to base an indictment of unions on you can easily do the same for both major political parties and business in general.
As to the issue of union interest signings replacing an N.L.R.B. sanctioned election, business has acted at least equally criminal in fighting union organization as any union has in organizing.
When union coercion is mentioned there isn’t usually a mention of business coercion of employees, such as forced working off of the clock, removal of overtime hours from time cards and sexual, verbal and physical abuse by supervisors, plus willingly and knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.
In the last instance some major American businesses have struck deals with coyotes to smuggle illegal aliens into the United States for employment in their facilities.
Let us not forget the looting of company pension plans by the buyout artists in the 80s or the recent examples of Enron, WorldCom and their big name,outside accountants.
When it comes to criminality unions are minor league compared to some of our businesses.
Dems and their usual Stalinist tactics. Pathetic.
This must mean Hillary somehow suffers from an early Florida primary. Maybe Hussein Obama is stronger in FL than other states
I’m pro-union except for gubbermint unions. They are thieves and scum who work with local Democrats to rig pay raises and bennies as best they can.
Florida should decline to place a candidate nominated by the democratic party on the ballot if Florida’s delegates are disenfranchised. Make the candidate go the write-in route.
Does this statement tell all? I told a liberal friend that if the leaders of the Dems had their way, I would end up in a gulag...er...um...re-education camp. He was reluctant to acknowledge such an assertion. I also told him that when I got to the camp, he would be there before me. This story illustrates exactly what I was talkng about.
Very good point here and your whole post was right on. What pathetic union bashers we have here. Unions in the private sector have never been weaker yet the libertarian princes of Free Republic rail against them like they've been on automatic for the last 30 years. And yes, public sector unions are rotten thieves who work hand in glove with Democrats. The Democrat national convention and various state conventions are always heavily stacked with teacher's unions slugs. I got the low down from my dad (who I love and get along with), he is a retired teacher and has manned the teacher's union Democrat phone banks on election day
All Fl delegates should vote for Rudy.This would wake up the dnc.
I bet Drudge still lurks here.
Ten bucks says this is the lead story on his show tonight at 10PM ET.
What would Drudge do without the FR breaking news sidebar?
Drudge and I were discussing Hall & Oates’ best song ever recorded (a song called “August Day” - was never really a “hit,” so to speak) over AOL instant messenger way back in August 2003 and when I mentioned FR he replied something to the effect of “Pffht, I haven’t been there in years.”
Somehow I highly doubt that. I mean, he did link to FR for at least 3-4 years on his site, for crying out loud! :O) He’s a good guy, though, even if he posts a lot of gossipy stuff.
Which... well, ... kind of makes Perdogg the Matt Drudge of FR!
Oh yes, you will be mine...There is one reason, and one reason only that our senator is named Nelson.
To the DNC:
ALL YOUR MODERATE FLORIDA VOTERS ARE BELONG TO US!
The Demorat Party has an ongoing battle between its left wing ( Dean/Michael Moore et. al.)and the Joe Leiberman moderates. If the left wins, they can kiss the 2008 election GOODBYE!
Go Howard GO!
That’s the way it should unfold, but I don’t have the confidence in the broad American electorate that you seem to have. Remember that the majority actually voted for that mental case Algore.
more votes for the repubs.
I don't have confidence in the broad American electorate, but I do believe that we are in a cycle of history which has a strong parallel to that of 1935 to 1940.
As Americans begin to reralize how they have been had by the MSN on the issues of national security and illegal aliens, the Demo left will finthat it is not the Republican party that has beaten them, but the flow of history itself.
Am I right? Dunno. But I have studied with one of the best professors on the topic of fascism and its rise, as well as the reaction of the West to it. So my conclusions are based on an analysis I have been quietly conducting for myself over the last 2 years.
I am not guessing about it, but who knows, maybe the fascist Islamics will just disappear before Nov. of 2008, and all our illegal aliens will just disappear or become model citizens by then?
But, doesn’t every vote count, so count every vote???
“From the party that wants every vote counted... /s”
Yea, how ironic - in the state that “disenfranchised” them. I’m sure the Republicans will remind voters of the Irony.
Ah, somebody’s colors are showing; rats don’t really believe in democracy anyway.
If Edwards manages to win Iowa, and Florida loses it’s delegates....wouldn’t that likely boost him into the presidental nomination?
It does seem that the DNC is heavily handicapping Hillary. Which I don’t mind at all...but this race will be extremely interesting. It’s hard to guess what will come of this.
The DNC does not run Florida. The Republican congress here passes the bills and the democrats and their little machinations can jump off of a bridge for all that we give a damn.
In other words, go play your little games, but don't expect us to care.
Its not like there are many dems in office here.
I’ve read a lot of bullsh*t here at times, but your posts rank right up there with the biggest of the steaming loads.
Unions control most inner city voting machines and deliver them with clockwork regularity, right to the point of precincts reporting 100 democrat, and have done so for a century.
Businesses control nothing of the sort because they are not here to promote a socialist state in America, they are here to do business. - Take a walk.
yeah, over and over and over and over...then do the dead ones and the criminal population.
If you are correct please explain the two terms that President Reagan served and the election and re-election of Geo.W.Bush.
I agree there is a stink but it is in your reasoning not the unions that represent less than ten per cent of the American work force.
You would be better served to place the blame for lost elections where the blame should lie, at the feed of disconnected, Belt Way Republicans who forgot who put them in office.
Florida Democrats WILL NOT be allowed to interfere with Hillary’s!! ascendency...
Too many Democrat Apparatchiks are depending on the Campaign skim for Mansion Payments and Private Jet fuel!
If Folks on the left had anything resembling a conscience, they’d realize how gullible, and how easily played they have been...
Remember the “Count Every Vote!!” nonsense from the 2000 Democrat Coup attempt?
Well, Dean has told Florida, “You Don’t NEED no Stinkin’ VOTE!!” if it interferes with the Master Plan of the Washington Democrat Establishment.
They have laid this plan CAREFULLY, for YEARS, spending MILLIONS to move the early primaries to easily controlled Democrat Machine states.
They did this to give Hillary!! easy early victories, and building an “inevitability” toward the nomination, preventing her from having to campaign “Left”, and exposing her TRUE beliefs to the Sheeple...
“I dont have the confidence in the broad American electorate.”
90% of the Media donates to Democrats....
The New York Times Editorial Board calls ITSELF, “the Gay Mafia”...
The Voter Fraud will be utterly BREATHTAKING in 2008, and the amount of leftist lies and propoganda utterly astounding. We minimalize all of this at our own risk. (And that of our CHILDREN)
If the Democrats can get by with disenfranchising THIER OWN folks who won’t comply, Imagine what the Hillary MAchine intends to do to US, or anyone that dares stand against them?
Good plan to get your polidiot in office .....kick yer voter base in the jaw “before” the election........LOL !!
Here is the Hillary California playbook. Massive early absentee voting in Calif. on Jan 7-14 will overwhelm Iowa and then New Hampshire. http://www.snapdrive.net/files/484319/hillary_playbook_in_california.pdf