Posted on 08/28/2007 4:19:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
Where did you live in the US ?
‘I must question some of the numbers in this chart. First off, Nigeria is 50% Muslim, making a church attendance figure of 89% rather unrealistic, unless mosque attendance is counted. Ireland’s numbers look excessively high as well. While high church attendance numbers may have been characteristic of traditionally Catholic Ireland until about 40 years ago, the effects of secularism, liberal theology in the Catholic Church, and recent immigration from other countries (presently one out of ten residents of Ireland is of foreign origin) make the claim of 84% church attendance very suspect, certainly on a weekly basis. OTOH, the statistic for 2% church attendance in Russia seems low. This number may be based on a citation from the Russian Interior Ministry, which I found in Wikipedia, that said weekly church attendance is less than 2%. Even if his number on weekly attendance is accurate, the other statistics, including the one for the United States, may be based on monthly attendance.’
By all means question away, but unless you can provide figures with a similarly strong provenance from a respected source, you’re just guessing.
‘My source is laughable?’
Yes. Have you clicked on my link? :)
‘do we now have to do background research on quoted sources as well as quoting them?’
Only if you want them taken seriously. Try to quote from official sources rather than those with an axe to grind.
‘It’ what google brought me’
Despite the similar name, Google is not Gospel my friend! :)
Isn’t this the whole premise of Londonistan?
http://www.amazon.com/Londonistan-Melanie-Phillips/dp/1594031444/ref=pd_bbs_1/105-2110231-0042044?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188312205&sr=8-1
‘Where did you live in the US ?’
Mainly in Chesapeake, VA with a stint in Miami and San Diego. You’ve got the whole of Kentucky between there and the Ozarks so I never got there, sorry! )
‘Englandstan’
As we’ve already shown England to have a higher percentage white anglo saxon christian population than America, Americanistan is more apt.
‘‘My source is laughable?’
You obviously didn’t click on his biography page or you would’ve realised all your quotations on Christianity were from a source who describes his religion as ‘Satanist’! :D
There have been countless articles like this one in the UK press over the last few months. They are all sensationalist and deviod of fact and deliberately ignore other facts. Just a few points:
1)As britempt has noted, most emigrants return to the UK after a few years or less. We live in an age of mass migration and most Western countries are experiencing the same thing.
2)The article suggests that people are leaving the UK because of immigration (obviously the irony of them then being immigrants themselves doesn’t register). Britain is an overwhelmingly while, anglo-saxon country still. The notion that the threat of Islam is forcing people out is laughable. Muslims form 2% of the UK population and despite the tragic terror attacks on 7/7, the UK population faced a far larger threat in the face of Irish nationalists over the past few decades.
3)Many, many people emigrated from the UK in the 1960s (when according to papers such as the Daily Mail crime didn’t exist). They weren’t ‘fleeing’ anything, so why must modern emigrants be said to?
4)Crime in the UK and gang culture is a concern. However, these do not compare in any way to the levels of murder and gang warfare in some US cities. In many ways, the UK is just starting to develop elements of this culture (decades behind the US). This is not a criticism of the US, just an observation
There have been countless articles like this one in the UK press over the last few months. They are all sensationalist and deviod of fact and deliberately ignore other facts. Just a few points:
1)As britemp has noted, most emigrants return to the UK after a few years or less. We live in an age of mass migration and most Western countries are experiencing the same thing.
2)The article suggests that people are leaving the UK because of immigration (obviously the irony of them then being immigrants themselves doesn’t register). Britain is an overwhelmingly while, anglo-saxon country still. The notion that the threat of Islam is forcing people out is laughable. Muslims form 2% of the UK population and despite the tragic terror attacks on 7/7, the UK population faced a far larger threat in the face of Irish nationalists over the past few decades.
3)Many, many people emigrated from the UK in the 1960s (when according to papers such as the Daily Mail crime didn’t exist). They weren’t ‘fleeing’ anything, so why must modern emigrants be said to?
4)Crime in the UK and gang culture is a concern. However, these do not compare in any way to the levels of murder and gang warfare in some US cities. In many ways, the UK is just starting to develop elements of this culture (decades behind the US). This is not a criticism of the US, just an observation
bttt
‘America is not more apt at all. Europe will fall long before we do.’
I agree with you, it will. But Britain won’t.
‘Not saying America isn’t trying though.’
In both our countries, the greatest enemy is the enemy within. Not terrorists, just ignorant apathetic citizens.
‘You obviously didn’t click on his biography page’
LOL! Replying to myself is the first sign of madness! :)
It’s true. If Britain had been a real empire, Ghandi would have been hanged, drawn, and quartered, and that would be that.
When I googled the UK national statistics site it told me that 7.9% are from a "non white ethnic group".
Given the way states tip toe around the subject I think your Celtic count is a tad inflated. Besides, at least over here, Semitic, Persian, etc. are not 'non white', Hispanics can choose to be either, and "white" is not "Celtic".
Neither Hispanic nor islamic are ethnicities for purposes of a modern census.
("Hispanic" doesn't even make sense, but nevermind)
Please do not disappear, we need you as much as you need us.
‘We live in an age of mass migration and most Western countries are experiencing the same thing.’
Very true. In just the little island of Britain there are more than a quarter of a million American ex-pats living and when you ask them why they moved to Britain they invariably say because of US crime levels or President Bush! :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3956061.stm
In any case, even if we assume the validity of the NationMaster statistics, numerous other researchers (Barna, Gallup) have shown that Americans adhere to major points of Christian doctrine at a higher percentage than Europeans, especially Western Europeans. If you were to calculate a weighted average of the Western European nations cited in the NationMaster chart, the church attendance figures in the U.S. would be higher. That being said, my main point was not an attack on European agnosticism and atheism but the clear evidence that American religious belief is heading in the direction of Western Europe.
I believe that Jamaica is quite a popular destination. A lot of immigrants are, apparently, emigrating now.
Strange eh?
‘It’s true. If Britain had been a real empire, Ghandi would have been hanged, drawn, and quartered, and that would be that.’
No, you’re confusing a constitutionally democratic monarchical empire with a totalitarian dictatorship. Everything we did in Empire had to be passed by parliament. We couldn’t just go killing opposition leaders because they disagreed with us. That’s the job of the CIA in central America! :)
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