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Colorado Student Files Lawsuit Over Commencement Speech That Mentioned Jesus
Foxnews via AP ^ | 8/31/07 | Unknown

Posted on 08/31/2007 3:03:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

DENVER — A student who said she was told she wouldn't get her diploma unless she apologized for a commencement speech in which she mentioned Jesus has filed a lawsuit alleging her free speech rights were violated.

The school district contends its actions were "constitutionally appropriate."

Erica Corder was one of 15 valedictorians at Lewis-Palmer High School in 2006. All were invited to speak for 30 seconds at the graduation ceremony. When it was Corder's turn, she encouraged the audience to get to know Jesus Christ.

Corder had not included those remarks during rehearsals.

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The lawsuit said Brewer would not give Corder her diploma until she included a sentence saying, "I realize that, had I asked ahead of time, I would not have been allowed to say what I did."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: christianstudents; commencement; firstamendment; lawsuit; religion; speech
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I am so sick of these idiot anti-Christian "educators" I could puke.
1 posted on 08/31/2007 3:03:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Fifteen valedictorians in one graduating class??? That’s so incredible!
Identical or fraternal?


2 posted on 08/31/2007 3:06:43 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter

Have you forgotten that they grade on a curve to make it fairer!


3 posted on 08/31/2007 3:07:44 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: Graymatter

ACLU call your office. ACLU??? Hello?? ACLU?????


4 posted on 08/31/2007 3:08:34 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

1st amendment re-written by moonbats:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, unless it is a Christian religion in which case you are not allowed to practice or talk about your religion in public places.


5 posted on 08/31/2007 3:09:06 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Good for her.

Had she been of another “religious” persuasion, slit some passengers throats, killed some pilots and rammed a jet airliner into a 110-story office building, her other like-minded believers would be treated with a bunch of PC nonsense.

Of course, that would never happen ... oh wait ...


6 posted on 08/31/2007 3:09:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Why doesn’t someone file a lawsuit on that dumb kid?


7 posted on 08/31/2007 3:10:29 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’m still looking for the part in the Constitution where it says Marxist “teachers” are responsible to make sure all traces of Christianity are removed from American life. I know. There is probably some phony-balony “judge” somewhere that could show me.


8 posted on 08/31/2007 3:10:39 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Is it hot in here or is it just me?" - Algore)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I bet that if the valedictorian would have mentioned Mohammed all would be well.


9 posted on 08/31/2007 3:10:41 PM PDT by 353FMG (Government is the opiate of the people.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yep, but I’ll be they’d bend over backwards to promote an all Arab school in New York... I’m convinced there’d be no religion discussed there!


10 posted on 08/31/2007 3:11:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: MPJackal
ACLU call your office. ACLU??? Hello?? ACLU?????

Since it does not involve adults have sex with children, it is not protected free speech.

11 posted on 08/31/2007 3:11:33 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So, is the principal holding the diploma back because he's angry from the defiant actions of a lowly student who dared his power? Is this a personal matter between him and the girl now?

To me, that's usually the motive behind the demand for an apology, as if he were personally affronted.

-PJ

12 posted on 08/31/2007 3:12:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I wonder if it appropriate to say “Jesus! What’s taking so long getting these Muslim foot baths installed?!”


13 posted on 08/31/2007 3:12:44 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I think she has a good law suit case! How about it? Any lawyers still in town?


14 posted on 08/31/2007 3:15:09 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: MPJackal

Maybe CAIR will help her? For the sake of religious freedom?


15 posted on 08/31/2007 3:18:03 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is a poor test case. If you read her remarks, she went well beyond giving credit to Christ and her faith for her success, she was proselytizing, evangelizing. IMHO, that has no place in a public high school commencement address.

OTOH, isn't it ridiculous they had fifteen "valedictorians"??

16 posted on 08/31/2007 3:19:01 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Domandred
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,

Thanks for that reminder.

Now, when was it exactly that Congress - the legislative and lawmaking body of our government - passed a law prohibiting the mention of Jesus or Christianity from a valedectory podium?

I can't recall that law being proposed or voted on or enacted. Anyone else?

Hmmmm...... maybe this is one of those "laws" devised by a federal court, which by the way has no lawmaking authority.

So why is anyone calling it a "law"? Sounds more like some judge's personal opinion, and not much more.

17 posted on 08/31/2007 3:22:10 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Did a search and found a site that says this is the entire speech:

“Throughout these lessons our teachers, parents, and let’s not forget our peers have supported and encouraged us along the way. Thank you all for the past four amazing years. Because of your love and devotion to our success, we have all learned how to endure change and remain strong individuals. We are all capable of standing firm and expressing our own beliefs, which is why I need to tell you about someone who loves you more than you could ever imagine. He died for you on a cross over 2,000 years ago, yet was resurrected and is living today in Heaven. His name is Jesus Christ. If you don’t already know Him personally, I encourage you to find out more about the sacrifice He made for you, so that you now have the opportunity to live in eternity with Him. And we also encourage you, now that we are all ready to encounter the biggest change in our lives thus far, the transition from childhood to adulthood, to leave (our school) with confidence and integrity. Congratulations class of 2006.”

Source:

http://samuraisam1.blogspot.com/2006/07/same-sun-shines-on-us-all.html

I see nothing wrong with her comments and no reason why she should not have been permitted to make them.


18 posted on 08/31/2007 3:25:31 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This is a complete abuse of her rights. The Supreme Court (erroneoulsy) decided that school initiated and sponsored prayers were a violation of the Constitution but that student initiated prayers were not.


19 posted on 08/31/2007 3:28:49 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: freekitty

What dumb kid?


20 posted on 08/31/2007 3:29:37 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Normal4me

Yes, as long as you use the Lord’s name in vain, it’s okay. For example “God” ins unacceptable unless followed by “damned” and then it is fine.


21 posted on 08/31/2007 3:29:37 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What do they call this generation?

Generation Wussy?
22 posted on 08/31/2007 3:29:40 PM PDT by elizabetty (Was it Dolley Madison or Dolli Madison? First Ladies should not end their name with "I")
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To: elizabetty
I was referring to the generation that is afraid to let kids say the word “Jesus”
23 posted on 08/31/2007 3:31:02 PM PDT by elizabetty (Was it Dolley Madison or Dolli Madison? First Ladies should not end their name with "I")
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To: Graymatter

You find nothing wrong with it because you aren’t a Marxist teacher or principal dedicated to stamping out the one true religion.


24 posted on 08/31/2007 3:31:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Ha ha, my alma mater! Back in the day, there was only one valedictorian and God was mentioned in commencement addresses all the time. Funny thing is this is a very conservative community (very close to Colorado Springs).

Did they refuse to release her final transcript to her future college or just refuse to issue the piece of paper? One denies you a future livelihood, the other a commemoration of past events.


25 posted on 08/31/2007 3:32:56 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: angkor
Now, when was it exactly that Congress - the legislative and lawmaking body of our government - passed a law prohibiting the mention of Jesus or Christianity from a valedectory podium?

You can't read the Constitution that literally. The prohibitions on government apply to all government branches at the federal and state & local levels.

26 posted on 08/31/2007 3:34:43 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“constitutionally appropriate.”

Wonder if the school district has a dollar they can look at.

‘In GOD We Trust’


27 posted on 08/31/2007 3:37:22 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: freekitty
Why doesn’t someone file a lawsuit on that dumb kid?

For what? Please cite a specific law she broke or tort she committed.

28 posted on 08/31/2007 3:37:29 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: keepitreal

In either case, here first amendment rights to free speech and freedom of religion were violated.


29 posted on 08/31/2007 3:45:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: colorado tanker
If you read her remarks, she went well beyond giving credit to Christ and her faith for her success, she was proselytizing, evangelizing. IMHO, that has no place in a public high school commencement address.

When it was Corder's turn, she encouraged the audience to get to know Jesus Christ.

I don't know if this was all the remarks she made about Christ, but do you really find this inappropiate? Name one thing about Jesus, The Christ, which is insulting? It amazes to me we have to have these discussion about Jesus because people are too ignorant to go look in the most published book ever to find out about what he stands for. If she ask people to get to know JFK, George Washington, or Mother Theresa would you have a problem with that? Why would any one have a problem about Jesus, when he is so much more righteous than any of these?

There is absolutely no law, nor any insult that prohibits people in any public setting from discussing or evangelizing about Jesus Christ, if you don't like it, leave.

30 posted on 08/31/2007 3:48:21 PM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Graymatter
I am concerned about the 15 valedictorians myself...

It just is not possible....

32 posted on 08/31/2007 3:53:18 PM PDT by alisasny (RIP Lt. Kevin “Kojak” Davis BLUE ANGELS #6 THANKYOU!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s OK to bombard people with the video games and MTV muesin “trivia” of “Reality TV” and all kinds of “fisting” sexual joke crap what not inuendos, “love the gays” etc... but Jesus is illegal...

Of course Jesus has to be illegal, He makes all those educators look too real, hmm... too retarted... it hurts MTV ratings, Union ratings and video game makers and their Unions too, so you know.

Selective offense is quite popular amongst distorted, brainwash, moron perverted lawyers, judges and juries too... unfortunately.

Society down the toilet... it were ok to have 12 kids when we were poor and sending them to coal mines, but now we have modernity, we don’t need that work force, we have abortions, kids sent down the toilet and euthanasia too.


33 posted on 08/31/2007 4:03:25 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: BearCub
Well, you certainly have a sense of humor.
34 posted on 08/31/2007 4:08:59 PM PDT by freekitty (May the eagles long fly over our beautiful and free American sky.)
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To: sirchtruth
There is a difference between rights and doing what’s appropriate. Commencement is supposed to be an occasion to celebrate the achievements of the graduates, not a time for proselytizing. You should understand that by you’re remark that if she says anything someone doesn’t like, they can leave. Really? People only graduate once, and friends and relatives travel to join in the celebration. It’s not a time to be in someone’s face trying to persuade them to change their religion.
35 posted on 08/31/2007 4:10:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: colorado tanker

BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE....

Sir, That you would take offense affirms the truth of scripture.


36 posted on 08/31/2007 4:11:02 PM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
15 valedictorians?
37 posted on 08/31/2007 4:15:10 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Blood of Tyrants

She did not violate any laws. Students are allowed to mention Jesus. What is not allowed is the School compelling speech about Jesus. She did no wrong and she deserves her diploma. Give it to her.


38 posted on 08/31/2007 4:23:24 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: colorado tanker
It’s not a time to be in someone’s face trying to persuade them to change their religion.

It's the perfect time. And it's not about getting in anyone's face so they will change their religion. Look, people who obviously do not know what Jesus is all about always talk about forcing "religion," and what they so ignorantly fail to realize is when Christian's speak about Jesus they are espousing precepts, good deeds, honest values, and most importantly the Truth Jesus stands for.

It's totally ignorantly arrogant of people to not want to know or hear about a person who actually lived a life that anyone in the right mind would be proud to emulate in society.

I challenge you to name another person in history who would be a better example and taught the good valued precepts of life better than Jesus.

That's why she encouraged people "to get to know Jesus" because know matter what "religion" you are, you can not deny the absolute authority of living a life and setting an example better than Jesus.

39 posted on 08/31/2007 4:41:28 PM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: Graymatter

This Jew Boy thinks her speech was touching and inspirational and perfectly appropriate.


40 posted on 08/31/2007 4:48:09 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: kimoajax
You are putting words in my mouth. I never said her speech offends me. It doesn’t. I’m a Christian. But I also have a sense of manners and decorum, that I find sadly lacking in many. Ever hear the quaint old expression, “there’s a time and place for everything?”
41 posted on 08/31/2007 4:56:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: colorado tanker

You don’t have a right not to be offended when you go out in public. The administration of the school didn’t do it. A private citizen said what they had to say. What you seem to want is the government to suppress her speech. You don’t see any slippery slope around that? Everbody didn’t get to speak. She was awarded time based on her academic performance to make her statement but yet you want to constrain it.


42 posted on 08/31/2007 5:11:33 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: firebrand
15 valedictorians? But, but,...We HAVE to be INCLUSIVE! We have to make sure everyone FEELS good! We need a Boy val, a Girl val, A Black Val, A Hispanic Val, ...oh, and a Gay Val, and.../sarc

The world has gone mad. Why aren't we talking about forming a new country, a new society yet?

43 posted on 08/31/2007 5:15:48 PM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: colorado tanker
Ever hear the quaint old expression, “there’s a time and place for everything?”

And what, pray tell, should the purpose of a commencement speech be?
44 posted on 08/31/2007 5:16:21 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Rudy = Hillary, Fred = Dole, Romney = Kerry, McCain = Crazy. No Thanks.)
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To: colorado tanker

“there’s a time and place for everything?”

Well, this isn’t the same as praying on the street corner, saying, “look at me...holier than thou.”

This is witnessing. I’m not a Bible expert but as I recall Christians are called upon to proclaim the Good News. I don’t remember that there was any fine print. You scatter the seed and some of it will fall on good ground. The rest of it is not our responsibility. I believe that is where the Holy Spirit comes in.

The way I see it, if Christ was the Son of God, died, and was risen, then that’s the most important thing that ever happened in the history of the human race. Not many of us act like it, or act like it most of the time.

If Jesus isn’t who he said he was then she’s just a girl talking about her hobby. If he is then what she said was the most important thing said by anybody that day.


45 posted on 08/31/2007 5:21:58 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: colorado tanker
Your right, how dare her! They should destroy her papers and
forfeit all of her credits, then have her forehead tattoed with a number!

/s

46 posted on 08/31/2007 5:23:26 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: colorado tanker

My my. Such intolerance.


47 posted on 08/31/2007 5:42:09 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: elizabetty
What do they call this generation? Generation Wussy?

I prefer to call it Generation Joshua, where you see young people like this girl standing up and declaring they won't be cowed into submission by the intolerant "liberalism" of their "progressive" elders.

48 posted on 08/31/2007 6:24:53 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What should a free man do?)
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To: colorado tanker
If you read her remarks, she went well beyond giving credit to Christ and her faith for her success, she was proselytizing,

Is there some exception for the freedom of religion or freedom of speech written that says that students may not practice the tenets of Christianity at school? Where does it say that a student may not do that? My copy of the Constitution says no such thing. It just says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" and THIS looks a heck of a lot like "prohibiting free exercise thereof".

49 posted on 08/31/2007 6:27:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: colorado tanker

“There is a difference between rights and doing what’s appropriate.”

Very interesting. So you believe that what YOU deem “appropriate” trumps someone else’s constitutional rights?


50 posted on 08/31/2007 6:29:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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