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Treason at the Kos? (Report: U.S. Navy Officer in Theater Leaks Iran Attack Details to Kos Diarist)
MacsMind.com ^ | Sunday, Sepember 2, 2007 | Macranger

Posted on 09/02/2007 1:09:49 PM PDT by kristinn

This might just be another BS moment at the Kos - they’ve had so many of them I’ve lost count. But if this is legit we just had a serious breach of national security.

“I have a friend who is an LSO on a carrier attack group that is planning and staging a strike group deployment into the Gulf of Hormuz. (LSO: Landing Signal Officer- she directs carrier aircraft while landing) She told me we are going to attack Iran. She said that all the Air Operation Planning and Asset Tasking are finished. That means that all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth.

I asked her why she is telling me this.Her answer was really amazing. ….”I know this will sound crazy coming from a Naval officer”, she said. “But we’re all just waiting for this administration to end. Things that happen at the senior officer level seem more and more to happen outside of the purview of XOs and other officers who typically have a say-so in daily combat and flight operations. Today, orders just come down from the mountaintop and there’s no questioning. In fact, there is no discussing it. I have seen more than one senior commander disappear and then three weeks later we find out that he has been replaced. That’s really weird. It’s also really weird because everyone who has disappeared has questioned whether or not we should be staging a massive attack on Iran.”"We’re not stupid. Most of the members of the fleet read well enough to know what is going on world-wise. We also realize that anyone who has any doubts is in danger of having a long military career yanked out from under them. Keep in mind that most of the people I serve with are happy to be a part of the global war on terror. It’s just that the touch points are what we see since we are the ones out here who are supposedly implementing this grand strategy. But when you liason with administration officials who don’t know that Iranians don’t speak Arabic and have no idea what Iranians live like, then you start having second thoughts about whether these Administration officials are even competent.”

(So much for the “apolitical” moniker)

“I asked her about the attack, how limited and so forth.

“I don’t think it’s limited at all. We are shipping in and assigning every damn Tomahawk we have in inventory. I think this is going to be massive and sudden, like thousands of targets. I believe that no American will know when it happens until after it happens. And whatever the consequences, whatever the consequences, they will have to be lived with. I am sure if my father knew I was telling someone in a news organization that we were about to launch a supposedly secret attack that it would be treason. But something inside me tells me to tell it anyway.”

I asked her why she was suddenly so cynical.

“I have become cynical only recently. I also don’t believe anyone will be able to stop this. Bush has become something of an Emperor. He will give the command, and cruise missiles will fly and aircraft will fly and people will die, and yet few of us here are really able to cobble together a great explanation of why this is a good idea. Of course many of us can give you the 4H Club lecture on democracy in the Mid East. But if you asked any of the flight officers whether they have a clear idea of what the goal of this strike is, your answer would sound like something out of a think tank policy paper. But it’s not like Kosovo or when we relieved the tsunami victims. There everyone could tell you in a sentence what we were here doing.”

“That’s what’s missing. A real sense of purpose. What’s missing is the answer to what the hell are we doing out here threatening this country with all this power? Last night in the galley, an ensign asked what right do we have to tell a sovereign nation that they can’t build a nuke. I mean the table got EF Hutton quiet. Not so much because the man was asking a question that was off culture. But that he was asking a good question. In fact, the discussion actually followed afterwards topside where someone in our group had to smoke a cigarette. The discussion was intelligent but also in lowered voices. It’s like we aren’t allowed to ask the questions that we always ask before combat. It’s almost as if the average seaman or soldier is doing all the policy work.”

She had to hang up. She left by telling me that she believes the attack is a done deal. “It’s only a matter of time before their orders come and they will be sent to station and told to go to Red Alert. She said they were already practicing traps, FARP and FAST.” (Trapping is the act of catching the tension wires when landing on the carrier, FARP is Fleet Air Combat Maneuvering Readiness Program- practice dogfighting- and FAST is Fleet Air Superiority Training).

She seemed lost. The first time in my life I have ever heard her sound off rhythm, or unsure of why she is doing something. She knows that there is something rotten in the Naval Command and she, like many of her associates are just hoping that the election brings in someone new, some new situation, or something.

“Yes. We’re gong to hit Iran, bigtime. Whatever political discussion that are going in is window dressing and perhaps even a red herring. I see what’s going on below deck here in the hangars and weapons bays. And I have a sick feeling about how it’s all going to turn out.”

I passed this post on to the ONI AG - Office of Naval Intelligence AG to have a look-see and see if they can find this young lady - if she exists and have a chat. An active duty officer on a ship preparing for operations giving out the op plans to said operation is called - treason.

Again, considering the source (Kos), buyer beware, but if true the poster who goes by the name “Maccabee” - will be having some visitors.


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To: MittFan08

It seems like a very successful (but short lived) trolling.
They will probably try to IP out the guy if he wasn’t an anon (proxies, IP Spoofing, vpn yadda yadda yadda).


151 posted on 09/02/2007 3:43:26 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: kristinn

Lol. Classic.


152 posted on 09/02/2007 3:44:03 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: SoldierMedic
"Landing Signal Officer"

one of the last people who would know before the mission plan is revealed to the crew....

153 posted on 09/02/2007 3:44:10 PM PDT by is_is (VPD of Cpl Daniel, 2/5- WIA, currently stateside - "Sleep Well America......My Marine has your Back")
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To: kristinn
Last night in the galley, an ensign asked what right do we have to tell a sovereign nation that they can’t build a nuke.

I need some Navy help here (I was Army), but on a large ship isn't a "galley" the kitchen area, where the cooks work, and the "mess" where the crew eats? Would a LSO be in "the galley" at night? Doesn't sound right to me. The use of the term galley may be a giveaway.

154 posted on 09/02/2007 3:44:45 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: radar101
I have seen more than one senior commander disappear and then three weeks later we find out that he has been replaced.

This one sentence tells me all I need to know. The whole story is pure BS. Senior Officers who "disappear" (reassigned or demoted what ever) are replaced on the spot it would never take 3 weeks. There is a chain of command that has to be kept and everyone with in that chain would know immediately who they now report to.

155 posted on 09/02/2007 3:45:56 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: kristinn

This is absolute BS, each and every officer would have been briefed on just what happens in Iran concerning culture and language, so to claim that people dont know by now, people with Silver birds or clusters or even Oak Leafs dont know Iranins speak Farsi and not Arabic, this is pure BS propaganda.


156 posted on 09/02/2007 3:47:37 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: weaponeer

Tes. See 149.


157 posted on 09/02/2007 3:47:56 PM PDT by gcruse (...now I have to feed the dog as if nothing has happened.)
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To: kristinn
IF this did happen it could be the catalyst for the suitcase nukes smuggled by Iran in Americas major cities(ALREADY) to GO OFF... or some other dastardly deeds.. Irans Armenajad is a little too confident.. in his threats.. to be totally off the wall.. O.K. hes crazy but he isn't stupid..

Chaosville is not far off..

158 posted on 09/02/2007 3:48:15 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kristinn

The only bad rap we can hang on this guy is over the low quality of the manure he is spreading.


159 posted on 09/02/2007 3:48:45 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

Kos is not concerned at all at the possibility of violations of OpSec, just that his dupes at Daily Kos got very publicly duped.


160 posted on 09/02/2007 3:53:31 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: radar101
Went back and looked at Lex's website. I think he was a department head in Japan when I was a JO. If it's the guy I'm thinking of he is a really good dude, great pilot, awesome American.

He was always willing to take the extra time to help you if you had a question, even if you weren't in his squadron.

161 posted on 09/02/2007 3:59:15 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: kristinn

I agree with your assessment. That is why I think they are going to go after the poster or “diarist” or whatever he is.


162 posted on 09/02/2007 3:59:33 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: kristinn
We are shipping in and assigning every damn Tomahawk we have in inventory

Just another small bit of fuel to add to the BS fire on this claim. The USN loads Tomahawks onto ships before they deploy ... not when they are actually on station. Some of the Aegis ships (Flight II Ticos, maybe some of the early Burkes) have the ability to UNREP Tomahawks - but this capability was removed from later ships to free up additional VLS cells (the UNREP crane took up 3 or 4 cells, iirc) and I don't believe the USN even practices doing this, let alone doing it operationally.

Shipping in and assigning "every damn Tomahawk" would require deploying as many Ticos and Burkes as necessary to carry them. The sort of surge deployment to accomplish this couldn't be kept secret ... and guess is that the Administration would WANT to signal that such a deployment was underway as a warning to Iran to start playing nice-nice. IOW, we'd know about this already ... and not courtesy of some "LSO" sending information to a friend who's posting it on kos.
163 posted on 09/02/2007 4:02:40 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: weaponeer

Yep, the galley is a cooking area, an Ensign would eat in the Wardroom.


164 posted on 09/02/2007 4:14:30 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: radar101
You know what always gets me about the leftist fiction writers that make this stuff up.......They never create a character that is just joe snuffy, the infantryman. They have to create Sgt Rock, AirborneSpecialForcesRangerPathfinderSuperKiller guy. For some reason they think that will make their story more believable.

Had this idiot Kossak created a "pilot friend of mine" aboard CVN-XX going to the Persian Gulf it might have been harder to disprove. Instead this moron puts in a bunch of fake detail, the same crap that tripped up Jesse Macbeth.

165 posted on 09/02/2007 4:22:39 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: traderrob6
an Ensign would eat in the Wardroom.

And nobody listens to an ensign.....ever. :)

166 posted on 09/02/2007 4:23:39 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: radar101
Very damn well done -- a slam-dunk example of what we used to call doing an "explication de texte," i.e., analyzing a passage from every imaginable angle and drawing the appropriate conclusions.

As a footnote to NLex's dissection, what jumped out at me was the line "... the table got EF Hutton quiet," which is a reference to a TV commercial that ran in the mid-80s. (Two yupscale types are chatting over dinner in a well-populated restaurant, with much clinking of crystal and clatter of silver in the background. First yup: "... that's what my broker says. What does your broker say?" Second yup: "My broker is E.F. Hutton, and E.F. Hutton says..." Instant silence as all the other diners drop their forks and crane their necks to hear what E.F. Hutton says.)

If the "diarist"'s story of the LSO's career is true, you kinda hafta wonder what a subteenage girl was doing watching the sorts of programs sponsored by brokerage houses, and why she remembered the ads 20 years later. My nickel says this piece was written by a fiftysomething male New York academic with a lifelong addiction to the Sunday chatshows.

167 posted on 09/02/2007 4:36:24 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (The heroes of Flight 93 diverted the wrong plane.)
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To: kristinn
“I have a friend who is an LSO on a carrier attack group

She said that all the Air Operation Planning and Asset Tasking are finished. That means that all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth.

All an LSO is in a position to know is how to signal approaching aircraft.

168 posted on 09/02/2007 4:42:18 PM PDT by fso301
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To: kristinn

My big question is: how could the supposed leaker could have gotten the info off her ship to the Kos source? I would think that once a ship had gotten orders to prepare for an attack, that communications would be locked down to prevent just such leaks


169 posted on 09/02/2007 4:48:08 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Open Season rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI)
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To: RightOnline
Though they speak farsi, since the islamic conquest, they used arabic letters. So looking at the newspaper it looks a lot like arabic. I wonder what characters pre-arabic-letter farsi used.

Persian NOT Farsi

170 posted on 09/02/2007 5:07:24 PM PDT by Jason_b (Click jason_b to the left here and read something about People v. De La Guerra 40 Cal. 311)
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To: weaponeer
need some Navy help here (I was Army), but on a large ship isn't a "galley" the kitchen area, where the cooks work, and the "mess" where the crew eats?

Even this old Marine remembers that. We use the same terminology on ashore.

171 posted on 09/02/2007 5:09:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: kristinn

Enough of this garbage gets circulation and the admin has to deny it—it will weaken their resolve if and when they really have to do it

That is the danger of this type of crappolla and probably its intended purpose


172 posted on 09/02/2007 5:19:26 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: kristinn

I think the Krazy Kos Kidz are blowing smoke, like always. Anyone who follows the moonbat websites can show you repeated incidents of them getting all worked up over stuff that always seems to never happen.


173 posted on 09/02/2007 5:22:02 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Now more popular than Congress!* *According to a new RasMESSen Poll.)
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To: LadyNavyVet

If you were a Marine, would you be complaining to Emirl....he’s always going “BAM”?


174 posted on 09/02/2007 5:27:52 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (The Chairman of the Iraq Veterans Against the War is a Marxist Sandinista Insurgent. Peace Out.)
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To: DakotaRed

I can believe that one tiny little LSO who thinks her East Podunk U. degree makes her infinity smarter and morally superior her peers and only joined the Navy ‘cause she looked great in blue might think like this.

I knew a career AF officer who was definitely a Clintonista in 1998.


175 posted on 09/02/2007 6:06:51 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: kristinn; Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; ..
MI BS Meter is pegging out:


176 posted on 09/02/2007 6:06:55 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Donate to Vets For Freedom: http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: kristinn
Unless I'm mistaken, LSO duty is assigned to carrier-qualified aviators only. So, how many carrier-qualified female aviators are currently performing as LSO's?

Should be fairly easy to narrow down who may be the culprit. (If there is a culprit).

177 posted on 09/02/2007 6:23:16 PM PDT by Don Carlos (No 8 Do)
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To: 5050 no line; LadyNavyVet; Doctor Raoul
An Officer and Gentleman would not use that expression

And a man who wouldn't immediately apologize to the lady veteran is obviously neither.

Thank you both for your service.

178 posted on 09/02/2007 6:29:29 PM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: kristinn
this bs / disinformation, whatever... it doesn't ring true and it's not expressed with the kind of sincerity such a misguided b!$#tch must feel.

It's fake, of one sort another I am sure

179 posted on 09/02/2007 6:48:39 PM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: mewzilla

She is totally correct....

hahaha.

Skyking Skyking Do Not Answer...


180 posted on 09/02/2007 6:49:36 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: kristinn

I call Bravo Sierra! I left the military some years ago, but I cannot believe it has changed that much! It shouldn’t be too hard to find a female LSO, since I wouldn’t think there’s that many of them.


181 posted on 09/02/2007 6:50:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: kristinn
all the Air Operation Planning and Asset Tasking are finished. That means that all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth.

I would hope so. We always had detailed plans to attack, or retaliate against, the Soviet Union too. But we never did it, thank God. I used to help translate those plans into graphics for the flight crews of the BUFFs, so I know they existed, and were just as detailed, more so in fact, constituting what the Squids would call "Rudder orders".

182 posted on 09/02/2007 6:57:21 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: kristinn
I am sure if my father knew I was telling someone in a news organization that we were about to launch a supposedly secret attack that it would be treason.

Should have listened to your father little lady, if you exist outside the fevered imagination of some Kosovite.

He will give the command, and cruise missiles will fly and aircraft will fly and people will die,

That's why he's called the Commander in Chief. Check your Constitution, you know, the one you swore to uphold against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

But if you asked any of the flight officers whether they have a clear idea of what the goal of this strike is, your answer would sound like something out of a think tank policy paper. But it’s not like Kosovo or when we relieved the tsunami victims. There everyone could tell you in a sentence what we were here doing.”

Which was what in the case of Kosovo?

Oh and if you were around for Kosovo, you were also around for Desert Fox. What was the purpose of that, other than to draw attention away from the CinC's DNA and the creative uses he found for his cigar?

183 posted on 09/02/2007 7:07:34 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: CCGuy
certain things lead me to believe this is made up and it is written by someone with very little respect for our military.

You think:

Hillary Wrote It?


184 posted on 09/02/2007 7:11:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: kristinn

some things about it didn’t ring true. I think the poster is making it up.


185 posted on 09/02/2007 7:12:30 PM PDT by kms61
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To: Grampa Dave; ASA Vet
As a former Naval Intelligence Officer, my BS meter blew early and the back-up burned brightly.

The intel and ops people wouldn't even speak among themselves about policy much less to a junior LSO. We certainly would not discuss threat and operational planning with one.

When did an LSO ever give a rat's rear end about the level of weapon's stores and how they were designated? And who gave an ensign permission to think?

Bravo Sierra (big time)

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

186 posted on 09/02/2007 7:13:31 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: radar101; All
The diary entry has been pulled from the Daily Kos.

The entry now reads: Sorry. I can't seem to find that story.

LOL!

187 posted on 09/02/2007 7:59:08 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

lol internet.


188 posted on 09/02/2007 8:10:06 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: james500
“Bush has become something of an Emperor. He will give the command, and cruise missiles will fly and aircraft will fly and people will die, and yet few of us here are really able to cobble together a great explanation of why this is a good idea.”

Total BS. Anyone who was this flaming leftist and couldn't hide THESE feelings wouldn't last 5 minutes in the military. If I had a fellow soldier say something like this around me I'd kick their ass and turn them into my superiors as a huge security risk.

189 posted on 09/02/2007 8:21:47 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: kristinn

I haven’t read the thread, but I know about the War Colleges that the military runs.

How would you attack Great Britain?
Document and file it.

How would you attack Israel?
Document and file it.

How would you attack Iran?
Document and file it.

Conduct war games on the above.

The LSO in question is seeking to disrupt operations and IS guilty of treason. She should walk the plank.


190 posted on 09/02/2007 8:22:53 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: USNBandit
And nobody listens to an ensign.....ever.

Hey, I was an Ensign once. And...



...You're right. And for very, very good reasons.

191 posted on 09/02/2007 8:29:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: stm

“How can anyone take anything off KOS seriously?”

Regardless of your personal opinion about the website, they get some pretty credible diarists over there.
Just sayin’....


192 posted on 09/02/2007 8:40:25 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: Grizzled Bear

Wasn’t it “Baby MILK Factory”?


193 posted on 09/02/2007 8:52:13 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: radar101

Thanks for the link Radar. Went to his blog and browsed around. Good guy...good instincts and glad he’s on our side!!


194 posted on 09/02/2007 8:59:00 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: CCGuy

First of all, it isn’t even written like a disciplined LSO. That is the first thing that comes to mind. Second, she could only be on a few carriers and how many LSO’s are female? Seems like the poster would know they would locate her in about 5 min. How about officers “disappearing” It is not common to take officers off a carrier in the middle of the night and leave a hole in the command structure. How does this LSO know how many Tomahawk missiles the United States has in inventory? Frankly this was so bad I didn’t even read the whole article.


195 posted on 09/02/2007 9:00:28 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: soupcon

Are they all as credible as this one?


196 posted on 09/02/2007 9:04:00 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: LadyNavyVet

I am a somewhat mysoginistic pervert, and I found that bothersome....


197 posted on 09/02/2007 9:04:37 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: USNBandit

“Liberals never let a little thing like facts or the truth get in the way of a good story” ;’}


198 posted on 09/02/2007 9:35:38 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: armymarinemom
he Marines now have carriers?

Just a military illiterate relaying the story. Marine Carriers are ships that carry Marines, in this case the dumb as a post Kosovite is apparently referring to the so called "Harrier Carriers", which actually carry more helicopters than Harriers. IOW, Amphibious Assault Ships of the Wasp and Tarawa classes.

Of course if her "Friend" the Lady LSO, is also a Marine, that really cuts down on the potential list of candidates for a firing squad. Probably down to zero. There are Marines flying off the Big Deck Carriers, and their are female pilots doing so as well, a few of which are probably also LSOs. But a lady Marine pilot/LSO, really stretches the probabilities from barely possible to very very unlikely. Females have only been flying Marine Aircraft of any kind since 1995, and she flew the CH-53E, not a fixed wing bird. She transferred to the reserves in '04 after 12 years (total) on active duty. Can't be many senior enough and experienced enough to be an LSO.

199 posted on 09/02/2007 9:42:08 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: USNBandit
My operational unit used to look at contingencies for the Korean Penninsula all the time. That was in the 90's and we still haven't bombed anybody in NK.

More's the pity.

But the politicians have to reach down, find a pair, and "pull the trigger" before any of that planning actually gets used.

200 posted on 09/02/2007 9:57:32 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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