Skip to comments.Papers Please: Arrested At Circuit City (Donations welcome, the ACLU will get most of it)
Posted on 09/03/2007 3:19:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
Today was an eventful day. I drove to Cleveland, reunited with my fathers side of the family and got arrested. More on that arrested part to come.
For the labor day weekend my father decided to host a small family reunion. My sister flew in from California and I drove in from Pittsburgh to visit my father, his wife and my little brother and sister. Shortly after arriving we packed the whole family into my fathers Buick and headed off to the grocery store to buy some ingredients to make monkeybread. (Its my little sisters birthday today and that was her cute/bizare birthday request.)
Next to the grocery store was a Circuit City. (The Brooklyn, Ohio Circuit City to be exact.) Having forgotten that it was my sisters birthday I decided to run in and buy her a last minute gift. I settled on Disneys Cars game for the Nintendo Wii. I also needed to purchase a Power Squid surge protector which I paid for separately with my business credit card. As I headed towards the exit doors I passed a gentleman whose name I would later learn is Santura. As I began to walk towards the doors Santura said, Sir, I need to examine your receipt. I responded by continuing to walk past him while saying, No thank you.
As I walked through the double doors I heard Santura yelling for his manager behind me. My father and the family had the Buick pulled up waiting for me outside the doors to Circuit City. I opened the door and got into the back seat while Santura and his manager, whose name I have since learned is Joe Atha, came running up to the vehicle.
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You’re the one wasting bandwidth with your ACLU solicitations. Hopefully the creep you’re defending this time gets spanked in court, despite your best efforts to portray his ridiculous actions and call to 911 as justifiable.
The helmet thing was sad. What was the K-Mart guy thinking? “I think I’ll tear into the fabric that holds this helmet on to protect this rider’s head.”
Those stickers when you come in do make me mad. If they demand to put one on one of my possessions as I’m entering a store, I just walk right out and go to different one. Those things don’t come off easily. They’re usually good about it, but a long time ago they wanted to put a sticker on a very beat-up portable cassette player I had (seriously, this thing had been through countless field exercises and a war, and it looked like it). Common sense ain’t so common.
Good luck with it.
What is the sound of a brass buzzard screaming out lies between two thin horizontal lines? Silence.
There are some people that don't like being passively accused of being a thief. Those of weaker minds will humbly submit to the forced inspection by another private citizen. People that have some backbone, pride and dignity tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine.
There are some people that don't like being passively accused of being a thief. Those of weaker minds will humbly submit to the forced inspection by another private citizen. People that have some backbone, pride and dignity tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine. If the store has a shoplifting problem, it damn sure ain't my problem.
Nothing at all, or at least no more than is wrong with me never darkening their door in the first place.
As a matter of good business practice you should never incorporate into your business model a process by which your customers must prove they aren't stealing from you.
This coming from antiRepublican who has admitted he knowingly posted lies for months in defense of Russian criminals.
In his own words (but you likely didn't read that far)
"I understand that my day would have gone a lot smoother if I had agreed to let loss prevention inspect my bag. I understand that my day would have gone a lot smoother if I had agreed to hand over my drivers license when asked by Officer Arroyo. However, I am not interested in living my life smoothly. I am interested in living my life on strong principles and standing up for my rights as a consumer, a U.S. citizen and a human being. Allowing stores to inspect our bags at will might seem like a trivial matter, but it creates an atmosphere of obedience which is a dangerous thing. Allowing police officers to see our papers at will might seem like a trivial matter, but it creates a fear-of-authority atmosphere which can be all too easily abused"
So standing up for your rights is now being a jerk. Guess you'd call me an a$$hole for what I would have done.
I would bet there are a lot of posters on this thread that really, really, absolutely believe George Bush and Dick Cheney are somewhere in the dark recesses of the White House, earphones on, listening to their private conversations.
Hate to hit and run but I think my telephone has a funny click sound when I answer. Oh yeah, could be those black helicopters circling the house.
Duck Martha, they may have cameras.
I used to do that and then I realized that in a country where every April 15 you have to the tell government where you work, what your job title is, how much money you make, how much money you have in the bank, your marital status, how many kids you have and their ages, how much you spend on medical insurance, how much your mortgage is, is what you pay or do not pay in alimony, how much you gave to charity, etc. or they will jail you, showing some drooling moron my receipt was the least of my problems.
Sure he is one. He took it upon himself to pull a stunt while kids were in the car waiting. So he is selfish as well.
And people like that end up capping others or getting capped in road rage incidents.
Yes and no....You must identify yourself, but in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, they suggested /implied that a person was not required to produce written identification, but could satisfy the requirement merely by stating his or her name.
Figure it will keep my golden years interesting :-)
Payment is only one of the elements of a contract and all must be met before a sale is final.
Uhhhh the "shopkeepers privilege" is well established in common law and most states have a version of it. But I've never seen one that says they have a right to inspect. The right allows you to detain when there is probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
(A) A merchant, or an employee or agent of a merchant, who has probable cause to believe that items offered for sale by a mercantile establishment have been unlawfully taken by a person, may, for the purposes set forth in division (C) of this section, detain the person in a reasonable manner for a reasonable length of time within the mercantile establishment or its immediate vicinity.
(There's some other stuff that has to do with museums and libraries specifically, but here's the next section that mentions merchants...)
(E) The officer, agent, or employee of the library, museum, or archival institution, the merchant or employee or agent of a merchant, or the owner, lessee, employee, or agent of the facility acting under division (A) , (B), or (D) of this section shall not search the person detained, search or seize any property belonging to the person detained without the persons consent, or use undue restraint upon the person detained.
So is the act of refusing to show the receipt enough to warrant suspicion and thereby initiate detention? Or does the receipt become your property as soon as it's handed to you and is therefore not subject to search or seizure?