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Patients suing province over wait times (Canadians flee to US for care)
Toronto Star ^ | Sep 06, 2007 | Tanya Talaga

Posted on 09/06/2007 4:22:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember

Two Ontario patients who had brain tumours removed in the United States because they say they couldn't get quick treatment here are suing the provincial government over what they claim are unjustly long wait times for medical care.

Lindsay McCreith, 66, of Newmarket and Shona Holmes, 43, of Waterdown filed a joint statement of claim yesterday against the province of Ontario. Both say their health suffered because they are denied the right to access care outside of Ontario's "government-run monopolistic" health-care system. They want to be able to buy private health insurance.

Ontario's "monopoly" over essential health services and its delay in providing the services have left both patients to "endure significant financial, emotional and physical hardship to access such services in the United States," states the claim .

The accusations made in the statement of claim have not been proven in court.

Holmes began losing her vision in March 2005, she told a press conference at Queen's Park yesterday. An MRI in May 2005 revealed a tumour in her brain. Her family doctor couldn't expedite appointments booked with specialists for July 19 and Sept. 19, 2005. As the tumour pressed on her optic nerves, her vision deteriorated. Afraid to wait any longer, she went to the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Ariz.

Within a week she met three specialists and was told she had a fluid-filled sac growing near her pituitary gland at the base of her brain. They urged her to have it taken out immediately. She went home with the hopes of quickly removing what is known as a Rathke's cleft cyst.

Unable to get surgery fast, she returned to Arizona and had the mass removed on Aug. 1, 2005. Her vision was restored in 10 days. The Holmes family is now in debt $95,000 because of medical costs.

"My husband has taken a second full-time job. We've re-mortgaged our home. It has to be known. People can't go through this," said Holmes, a family mediator. "I was very fortunate to save my eyesight but the cost and the battle has been devastating."

David Spencer, a spokesperson for Health Minister George Smitherman, said the minister can say little as this matter is before the courts.

"We understand there is a statement of claim being put forward. It's our intention to be there to vigorously defend the public health system."

The Canadian Constitution Foundation, a non-profit group, is backing the legal action by McCreith and Holmes.

The CCF has dubbed the lawsuit the "Ontario Chaoulli." Dr. Jacques Chaoulli went to court in Quebec on behalf of his patient George Zeliotis, who suffered acute pain while waiting for a hip replacement. In June 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada handed down a decision in favour of Chaoulli by striking down Quebec's ban on private health insurance.

Many felt the decision would open the door to increased access to private health-care in Quebec, but that has yet to happen.

Holmes' experience was similar to that of Lindsay McCreith, a retired auto collision repair shop owner. According to the statement of claim, McCreith suddenly experienced seizures on Jan. 2, 2006. After waiting seven hours in a Newmarket emergency ward, he was examined by an internist. A computed tomography or CT scan showed a large wedge-shaped brain tumour. He was discharged from hospital four days later with a diagnosis of stroke and a prescription for anti-seizure medication.

Worried the tumour might be cancerous, McCreith and his family wanted an MRI. He was given an appointment date four months later. McCreith went to the U.S. and paid $494.67 (U.S.) for an MRI. Armed with the scan, he saw his Ontario family doctor, who referred McCreith to a neurologist. He was examined on Feb. 8, 2006. He was referred to a neurosurgeon but would have to wait three months.

Unhappy with this, he returned to Buffalo. In early March, during a biopsy, the tumour was found to be malignant and surgically removed. He paid $27,650 for his consultation, biopsy and surgery in Buffalo and OHIP has refused to reimburse him because he failed to seek pre-approval for the expense, the claim notes.


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; healthcare; socializedmedicine
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21 posted on 09/06/2007 4:48:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FormerACLUmember

We will go to India. It has state of the art facilities, western-trained doctors, and very low costs.


22 posted on 09/06/2007 4:55:19 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: xenophiles

The Quebec native SHOULD buy US insurance!


23 posted on 09/06/2007 5:01:59 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

And this is the crap hillary and her fiends are trying to shuv down our throats! If she’s such an advocate go to Canada the system is already set up. But my guess is they want this because all the other money pits like social security and medicare are about all dried up thnaks to these crooks and they need a new money pit to suck from! dispicable humans!


24 posted on 09/06/2007 5:53:20 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: FormerACLUmember

When it costs nothing it is often worth exactly that.


25 posted on 09/06/2007 5:56:56 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: ronnie raygun

I had to go to the Social Security office today to get my pay records corrected. Utter incompetence and teh waiting room was filled with youthful parasistes and recent “immigrants”, for their bogus disabilities, seeking a free ride for the rest of their blood-sucking lives.

All democrats 100%.


26 posted on 09/06/2007 6:27:59 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: jimfree

‘If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it is free.”

PJ O’Rourke


27 posted on 09/06/2007 6:29:00 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

That is a disgrace.


28 posted on 09/06/2007 6:29:30 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: darkangel82

And I gave up due to the endless wait. I had to get back to work.

A taste of health care waits under democrat party plans.


29 posted on 09/06/2007 6:33:14 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Your tagline applies 100% here.


30 posted on 09/06/2007 6:34:46 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Thank you for posting this!!


31 posted on 09/06/2007 6:43:27 PM PDT by syriacus (If the US troops had remained in S. Korea in 1949, there would have been no Korean War (1950-53))
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To: TASMANIANRED
The hallmark of socialized medicine is rationing.

And when you wait in line for bread, and toilet paper becomes a luxury, you have achieved communism!

32 posted on 09/06/2007 6:47:31 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

I believe that is correct..

However you must save your spuds to make vodka in the bath tub.


33 posted on 09/06/2007 6:50:11 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: p. henry
We will go to India. It has state of the art facilities, western-trained doctors, and very low costs.

Was the Airline that sacrificed a goat to the god of the air based in India?

Just asking.

34 posted on 09/06/2007 6:51:15 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: FormerACLUmember

there’s a mistaken belief among some individuals that a government-controlled health care system will

provide to individuals all of their wants.

and it’s not true.

what happens is that some government bureaucrat is forced to parcel out services

to save money the government cannot afford.


35 posted on 09/06/2007 6:53:15 PM PDT by ken21
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To: ken21
there’s a mistaken belief among some individuals that a government-controlled health care system will provide to individuals all of their wants. and it’s not true. what happens is that some government bureaucrat is forced to parcel out services to save money the government cannot afford.

Bingo! What the sheeple don't realized is that outrageous waiting lists, euthanasia, and neglect ARE the very basis of socialized medicine, Nothing could be more anti-consumer or anti-human.

36 posted on 09/06/2007 6:57:50 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Was the Airline that sacrificed a goat to the god of the air based in India?

Nope. That was in Nepal!

37 posted on 09/06/2007 8:35:24 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one BYJ movie at a time! (http://www.byj.co.kr))
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To: FormerACLUmember

bookmark


38 posted on 09/06/2007 8:39:39 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I was attracted to this article because yesterday the physician’s assistant at the village clinic here diagnosed a sore on my face which hasn’t healed for two months as possible skin cancer. I got into the clinic the same day that I called. The visit was quick and professional. The physician’s assistant told me I needed to get to a dermatologist for a biopsy. Yes, I had to deal with the arcane rules of my insurance company, but the personnel there were polite and helpful. Within 25 minutes I had completed my work with the insurance company and set up an appointment for the biopsy within the next three weeks.

I’m sure if my concern was life-threatening I could have gotten in much sooner. However, it’s just a little zit-sized sore that doesn’t heal. Even though the dermatologist is in one of most remote places in North America, apparently he has on site the most up-to-date equipment to deal with my problem.

As I was working through this little problem I wondered what would have happened in a government-run system. I don’t think it would have been as pleasant and quick. I’m sure that there are other people out there with negative experiences - as my father used to say, sh** happens. This time, things went smooth as silk. The difference here is that I was in control of my health care. I don’t like the idea of being a pawn in a bureaucratic system (and as a teacher, let me tell you those systems don’t accomplish much well).


39 posted on 09/06/2007 9:18:12 PM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: FormerACLUmember
"have no doubt that the Ontario system would have murdered these two patients by neglect and queue (outrageous waiting lists)."

It happens right across Canada every day. People even die from an infected tooth in Canada because dental care is not covered at all by Canada's so called "free" health care system. Nor are drugs, medical devices such as oxygen concentrators, prosthetics's, wheelchairs.

Where will Canadians go if Clinto-care becomes the USA standard? Where some go already, Israel, Paki-stan, Japan, and places in Europe where money talks.

40 posted on 09/06/2007 10:30:56 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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