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Posted on 09/06/2007 9:55:24 PM PDT by freedomdefender
Radical, theocratic, fascist Islam is a threat to the whole world which must be destroyed. But not by the US Military, at the expense of trillions of dollars, decades of fighting (as some say it will take, as if we are going to kill every Muslim on every continent...) what could be hundreds of thousands of American lives both citizens and soldiers, and at the cost of our very freedoms and nation which they want to protect.
But this is not a job for the US military, it is a job for Crusading armies, and I don’t see any of these posters signing up for the IDF or for these new Crusades.
Radical islam has been a scourge since, well... forever. And it will likely be that way forever. Our goal should be minimizing its impact on us, not involving ourselves in ANY foreign affairs if we can, and absolutely crushing groups and countries that actually sponsor terrorism (the Saudis for starters!).
People are afraid of radical Islam because 9-11 was the first time it hit home with any severity (WTC 1993 wasn’t to big of a deal, and we were in our fat, dumb and happy stage). They are willing to do anything to get rid of it without fully understanding it. We will never get rid of it without killing millions of muslims on almost every continent. It is not the job of the US military to do this. They are willing to become what England has become when they tried to defeat the fascists and the socialists in WWII... socialist. The most watched country in the world as far as security cameras and domestic spying. Totally disarmed by their government.
No thanks, I don’t want to end America in the process of “defeating” radical Islam.
That’s why these “conservatives” are now rabid Paul haters and worst of all, warmongers. They are willing to sacrifice our liberties, our prosperity, and our nations security (we will become less safe by attacking Iran) to “destroy radical Islam”, something that can’t be done by the US military.
After the ‘debate’ on Tuesday, Ron Paul ought to look to saving his seat in the House. He is done as a candidate for president.
‘Indeed, sharia is not what the founders gave us... but if you actually believe those lies about Dr. Paul,’
I for one believed what he said, and thats why I’ won’t vote for him.
Just to be crystal clear.
In 1999 I flew to Sweden with a 4” pocket knife. On September 11th, 19 muslims flew with boxcutters. Now nobody can carry nailclippers or even a bottle of water. How are we safer? Federal law has prohibited airline pilots from carrying guns into their own pilots. I thought we already agreed here that big government is a problem and not a solution?
‘Even according to Bush, we celebrated “mission accomplished” a couple years ago, actually only several months after the war started.’
If you are going to accuse other posters of ‘lying’ you should NEVER have posted the above.
Thats straight out of DNC headquarters talking point memo’s, that have been debunked repeatedly.
The battle group he was visiting DID ACCOMPLISH THEIR MISSION.
You wonder why nobody outside of fringe group text messaging fanatics take Ron Paul seriously?
Because your tactics resemble the far leftwingnuts of moveon.org, DU, and daily kos when you make that kind of illogical, factually incorrect assertion.
And then say others are ‘lying about Ron Paul’?
Puleeeeeze.
dcwusmc: His policy is to get our troops out of Iraq. Even according to Bush, we celebrated “mission accomplished” a couple years ago, actually only several months after the war started.KDD: Reduce our enemies ability by bombing em till their rubble bounces...this includes Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia Afghanistan and yes, parts of Pakistan. Target the wealthy Sunnis who finance Al-Qaida and the wealthy Shiites who finance Hezbollah ...Then watch the Qaddafi effect...Then return to base...park the planes and repeat when necessary.
Disallow any and all immigration to this country from any Muslim country. Deport all non citizen Muslims and keep as close an eye on the remaining ones as well as we did the Japanese American in 1942. Secure our borders.
Putting ground troops in these countries to institute democracy is a fools errand and will result in one long quagmire.
Even if successful, the newly empowered democratic Arabs will elect the Muslim fundamentalist entities that are our enemies.
I agree...Be nice if the CIC was required to have his combat ribbon.
It might slow down the rush to War.
I think you both already know this, but Paul’s policy isn’t to get the troops our of Iraq, or end nationbuilding. That’s closer to Hillary’s policy, she’s a lot more moderate on the war than Paul.
Ron Paul’s policy is to get the troops out of Iraq and out of Kuwait and out of Qatar and out of the UAE and out of Bahrain and out of Afghanistan. In short, remove our military presence from the middle east , land, sea, air. That will solve the problem. The terrorists will be happy, we’ll be happy, we’ll all trade with each other and maybe sing Kumbaya.
KDD, Paul has explained that there is no religious component to terrorism. It’s a function of American occupation in the region. Not radical Islam. Rendering your implication that Paul would somehow favor deporting Muslims absurd.
Personally I think military service is an asset, though I wouldn’t amend the Constitution to require it.
KDD, you’re suggestion that the CIC be required to have earned the Combat Action Ribbon, cute idea, but Ron Paul doesn’t have it. In fact it narrows the current field of both parties to John McCain and only John McCain, since it’s a Navy/Marine award. John Kerry could run for the Dems I suppose.
Your standard, who do you support, McCain or Kerry? McCain for me, but Kerry’s a lot closer to Paul’s position on the war.
I’d go with the National Defense Service Medal next time, that way Paul can stay in the race though you'll eliminate a lot of 70s and 80s vets.
Proposing that only those individuals with military service warrant the vote, or the credentials to be CinC, is ludicrous.
Follow along (sllloooooowwwwwwwlllly) and it all come into focus for you.
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Lots of things are ludicrous, but simple assertions with no supporting argument beyond a personal dissing of the questioner are indistinguishable from noise. If you want to contribute something besides snorting noises to this thread, an intelligible account of your notion of an appropriate standard for access to the franchise would be worth discussing. A third incidence of noise can be safely ignored, I think.
Being trained as a soldier does not qualify someone to be Commander-in-Chief. Effective delegation skills, critical thinking and keen judgement are far more important.
Similarly, wielding the power of a private enterprise does not require experience in each company role from driver to salesman. Surprisingly, it is a liability as the typically difficult transition from entrepreneurship to professional organization demonstrates.
Being trained as a soldier certainly does not qualify someone to be a voter.
And while performing military service is admirable and necessarily contributes to a secure and functioning society, so is being a teacher, a doctor, an engineer or even a mother.
All deserve access and voting rights.
These are the same lifelong conservatives who crossed over in MI to try to get McCain over President Bush. Remember the Staight Talk Express going off the cliff? Remember how InSane always did well in crossover states? Same thing here only they are disrupters using the internet/FR.
Pray for W and Our Troops
Wrong.
It is the soldier who guarantees that teachers can teach, Doctor's can practice medicine, engineers can design and build and Mom's can raise children absent the presents that islamonuts (et al) would like to deliver to America. Mitt Romney was just taught this lesson.
But you are right in that they all have a constitutional right to vote.
I personally don't see a problem with this, do you?
Terrorists would kill....each other! Yay!
I love the idea of leaving the shiiteholes of the Middle East.
But do it AFTER achieving energy independence, which should be the modern day Manhattan Project for America.
“If just ONE PERSON on each of those flights had been armed, we would not even be having this discussion. We would have had 19 dead or captured WANNABEE hijackers and that would have been that.”
And, each of the hijackers would also have been armed. Five versus one. Net result, ‘ONE PERSON’ with a lot of holes. The problem is, if you allow arms on planes, then you allow armed hijackers on planes.
BTW, I thought Paul was rather clear that he wasn’t advocating armed passengers but armed flight crews. You probably should check the transcript.
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