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Vietnam Memorial Wall Defaced This Weekend (September 7-9, 2007)
Eyewitnesses to the damage, Concretebob, Mr. and Mrs. Trooprally ^ | September 9, 2007

Posted on 09/09/2007 6:55:45 PM PDT by tgslTakoma

Mrs. Trooprally called me this evening to tell me that she and her husband, as well as Concretebob, saw damage along almost the entire length of the Vietnam Memorial Wall. They found this damage this morning, when they walked through the area before participating in the September 11th Freedom Walk.

Concretebob was told by a National Park Service employee that the damage was done on Friday night. There was no police report taken or written about the vandalism, apparently. And the damage was still very much there today.

Here are a few of the photos that Mrs. Trooprally took this morning...

This first one is not so noticeable, but as they walked into the center, it got worse.

It seems like a oil that has and acid in it; As you go up the Wall some the names can not be read!!!


It looks like the person who did this walked along The Wall with some type of container, perhaps hidden at their side so that they could squirt the oily substance without being caught in the act.

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The names along the lower part of The Wall appear to have taken the brunt of the damage.

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Because of the reflective nature of The Wall, Mrs. Trooprally had a tough time capturing the extent of the damage. Mr. Trooprally said that the oily substance has discolored the shiny stone, but that it has been absorbed into the more porous area where the names are etched into The Wall.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anarchist; answer; commies; gatheringofeagles; johnkerry; memorialdesecration; ratcrime; sds; sept15org; thewall
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To: ReignOfError

If I understand you correctly, you’re making the point that there is no proof that this was done intentionally. I’ll grant you that.


201 posted on 09/09/2007 9:52:54 PM PDT by glock rocks (Please pray every day for our Patriot Armed Forces fighting to protect our way of life.)
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To: glock rocks
If I understand you correctly, you’re making the point that there is no proof that this was done intentionally. I’ll grant you that.

That's my point. And if it was caused by a leaky lawnmower or bug-sprayer, it's damage, not desecration.

202 posted on 09/09/2007 9:55:12 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Doctor Raoul
The post

by sds: if they come to our march we will spray the wall.

Was followed by,

by Anonymous: Ha ha ha FReeper scum...real funny. Thing is SDS would not post this and you know it, but as always you crazies make us laugh. If you come folks might just spray your SUV maybe leave some flat tires, see how you idiots like it when you go back to your car and you cannot drive it!!!!!!!

203 posted on 09/09/2007 9:56:31 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: STARWISE

Don’t sweat it. ;-)


204 posted on 09/09/2007 10:07:13 PM PDT by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: tgslTakoma

I want to say this is unbelievable but clearly it is not. Sad commentary on someone’s lack of humanity.


205 posted on 09/09/2007 10:08:08 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Pope to politicians: "(Do) not to allow children to be considered as a form of illness.")
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks .. ;)


206 posted on 09/09/2007 10:15:40 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Doe Eyes
"by sds: if they come to our march we will spray the wall."

Skunks Spray! Humans sometimes spray paint!

By their own admission they are SKUNK like!

207 posted on 09/09/2007 10:19:39 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: MountainFlower

Thanks MountainFlower. A shame that a few vets weren’t there to discuss the matter with the perpetrators. We’ll all get a good look at the damage this weekend when we’re in DC.
Eagles Up!


208 posted on 09/09/2007 10:25:14 PM PDT by Mustng959
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To: paddles

no words for this


209 posted on 09/09/2007 10:31:51 PM PDT by RDTF (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but Democrats believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: frankenMonkey; tgslTakoma; kristinn

As yet, I find nothing about this on Fox News, nothing in the Washington Times, nothing on Drudge.


212 posted on 09/09/2007 11:02:34 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: MountainFlower; tgslTakoma
Nothing that I'm thinking now can be printed.

I've seen this sort of thing before and it infuriates me that people who were too chicken to serve believe desecrating our tributes and memorials to our fallen is a bold act of protest.

Damn them.
214 posted on 09/09/2007 11:28:30 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: MountainFlower
Worry not, Flower.
215 posted on 09/09/2007 11:42:11 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: tgslTakoma

THE ‘PEACE’ NIKS SPAT UPON OUR TROOPS WHEN THEY ARRIVED HOME

NOW THEY SPIT UPON OUR WALL

ARE THEY DEMOCRATS/TERRORISTS?

.....................................SKUM


216 posted on 09/10/2007 12:00:53 AM PDT by joydoc (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING ELSE IN AMERICA)
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To: tgslTakoma

THE ‘PEACE’ NIKS SPAT UPON OUR TROOPS WHEN THEY ARRIVED HOME

NOW THEY SPIT UPON OUR WALL

ARE THEY DEMOCRATS/TERRORISTS?

.....................................SKUM


217 posted on 09/10/2007 12:00:53 AM PDT by joydoc (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING ELSE IN AMERICA)
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To: ThomasPaine2000
What has happened to “good old” common respect and decency in our society these days??, It really concerns me...

We elected the clintons.

218 posted on 09/10/2007 12:01:47 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes

That’s part of the problem (the effect), but there is something else out there (the cause). I just can not identify it, but I do have my suspicions. I think part of it goes back to the late 60”s...


219 posted on 09/10/2007 1:33:56 AM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: vetvetdoug
Wouldn’t vinegar evaporate after a short time? This has a sheen to it.

[Mr] T

220 posted on 09/10/2007 2:03:37 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: B.O. Plenty
....for I am sure that there will be a couple of Vets who would love to discuss the matter with them....

...me being one of them.

221 posted on 09/10/2007 2:08:21 AM PDT by Aeronaut (Hebrews 13:4)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; NonValueAdded; NewzJunkie
Scottsman wrote: "I just can not comprehend how they come to their beliefs and actions."

What I cannot comprehend is that so few have learned from the 30 years since.

I can ascribe it to fear in the sixties, arrogance and momentum in the seventies...but today?
After 9/11?
With Guard and Reserves fighting & reenlisting?

For a long time I believed that triumphant flower children simply could not admit they'd been wrong.
Now I wonder if the Iron Curtain didn't come down a bit to easily for people to remember that a real conflict had existed.
I wonder if people don't simply believe that everything will work out OK if we only stretch it out a bit longer without really doing anything.

222 posted on 09/10/2007 2:08:32 AM PDT by norton
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To: Man50D
the socialists in Congress.

The 70 declared Socialists in the U. S. Congress
223 posted on 09/10/2007 2:10:11 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have .chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Man50D

The blame goes right back to the American voter. Without the support[vote]from the American voter, the socialists would not be in office o begin with.

Amd yes it is going to get worse. Much wores. And yes the Government protects individuals[I hesitate to use the term “people” or “human beings” to describe them] such as the ones who did this deed.


224 posted on 09/10/2007 2:15:23 AM PDT by sport
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To: kristinn

Jihad Sheehan’s people would be my guess, or possibly Pelosi, Reid ...


225 posted on 09/10/2007 2:19:04 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: ReignOfError
“Splattered”?? As in oops, I dropped my milkshake and it splattered on the WALL? There is too much of the substance for that.

And some comments I saw about a lawn mower may have had a leak and sprayed the WALL. Highly unlikely. The pattern at the bottom would have been more elongated due to the force of being ejected, not rounded as if sprayed from above.

[Mr] T

226 posted on 09/10/2007 2:21:42 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: usmcobra; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

227 posted on 09/10/2007 2:41:24 AM PDT by freema
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To: MountainFlower

BTTT


228 posted on 09/10/2007 2:54:31 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: MountainFlower

BTTT


229 posted on 09/10/2007 2:54:54 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: jimtorr

you probably already know


230 posted on 09/10/2007 3:06:43 AM PDT by rontorr (It's just my opinion, but I am RIGHT!)
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To: tgslTakoma

BTTT


231 posted on 09/10/2007 3:14:42 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: rontorr

Yes, I saw this after I got off the phone with you.

The scum who did this will probably be caught. They can seldom refrain from bragging about it to their nutroot buddies.


232 posted on 09/10/2007 3:28:28 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Bob J
Hmmmm. The grass at the top of the WALL does NOT come all the way to the corner edge. There is a flat part before the grass starts.

So if it was dripping, it would only be on the top.

If if was spraying out from an edger, the height of the wall would have meant the oil would have made an arc projection further out from the very bottom of the WALL.

As spots vs a stream, there is a line pattern, but if squeezed lightly from a bottle and sprayed some distabce from the perp, it would end up more like droplets. The stream does seems to go up and down the WALL face from the bottom.

I don’t buy your comments.

[Mr] T

233 posted on 09/10/2007 3:55:16 AM PDT by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: Bob J; trooprally; concretebob; BufordP
Hmmm. This doesn’t look like vandalism.

Ahhh... we hear from the real investigative expert now.

Thanks for the ping, bob. All of your investigative speculation would work, if only there was some grass down along the base of the wall to edge.

But there is no grass there, and the sidewalk is approximately 8-10 feet wide; so nix that speculative pronouncement.

As to a leaky edger dripping down from the grass above the wall... for that to happen, the edger would have to be hanging approximately 12-18" over the granite edge of the wall. Again, not too likely of an explanation.

There are plans for a vet or a Freeper (or both) to do some follow-up on this today.

We'll be sure to keep you in the loop. Thanks.

234 posted on 09/10/2007 3:57:50 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Bob J; ReignOfError

The Park Service said it happened Friday NIGHT. That’s a little late to be weedwacking. If the oil dripped from above, I’d expect there to be drops higher on the Wall somewhere.


235 posted on 09/10/2007 3:59:24 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: MountainFlower

Find them (the vandals)... f*** them up... feed them to sharks.

LLS


236 posted on 09/10/2007 4:02:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: unixfox

Re cameras at the Wall:

I think the perp considered the possibility of cameras and so sprayed the oil at wrist/thigh level as he walked past. Nothing would be noticed by a surveillance camera until later when the oil had soaked in and discolored the concrete.


237 posted on 09/10/2007 4:19:31 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: tgslTakoma

Acid or NaOH


238 posted on 09/10/2007 4:26:56 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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To: frankenMonkey

Will Katie being wearing her flack jacket???


239 posted on 09/10/2007 4:29:04 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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To: nina0113; Bob J; ReignOfError; trooprally
In talking with Mrs. Trooprally this morning (who is busy with her work for Halliburton, or she would tell you this herself), she recounted that she spoke with a female Park Service employee yesterday.

The PS employee said that they knew it was vandalized, that it was vandalized on Friday, but that they did not know who did it.

When asked by Mrs. Trooprally if the media had been informed, the PS employee said that they couldn't tell the media.

Mrs. T asked why. The PS employee said that they couldn't tell the media because they did not know who did it.

To which Mrs. T. basically replied, "BS." (para)

More info will follow later today, I hope, as vets and/or Freepers ask more questions of the Park Service.

240 posted on 09/10/2007 5:07:15 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma; All

I think it is important to note that this unbeleivable foot-dragging is being done by the same Park Service that supports the Islamofacist-worshipping disgrace recently renamed “The Circle Of Embrace”. The original name, “Crescent Of Embrace”, overplayed the hand of the blame-America-first apologist handwringers that created it. It is the monument to the heroes of Flight 93.


241 posted on 09/10/2007 5:19:04 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: freema

Beyond shameful. Since I haven’t read each post, are there any numbers to call to express concern? Any news on planned cleanup? I’d think the sooner, the better.


242 posted on 09/10/2007 5:20:07 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: tgslTakoma
The PS employee said that they couldn't tell the media because they did not know who did it.

Like that has stopped the media before...

Of Course the media would have blamed an angry mob of racist bigoted homophobic suicidal wheelchair bound Viet Nam veterans who were former rural southern postal workers in black trench coats and demanded that any one matching that description or any part of it be prevented from visiting the wall.

Especially if they drove a white van...

243 posted on 09/10/2007 5:24:47 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: snowrip
It is the monument to the heroes of Flight 93.

With that Crescent/Circle of Embrace design, it looks more like a monument to the hijackers.

244 posted on 09/10/2007 5:25:07 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: ducks1944; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; ziggy_dlo; TrueBeliever9; maestro; TEXOKIE; My back yard; ..

ping!


245 posted on 09/10/2007 5:25:30 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: tgslTakoma

The one thing that distinguishes these people is that they think their juvenile, immature behavior means something.


246 posted on 09/10/2007 5:27:44 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


247 posted on 09/10/2007 5:28:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: tgslTakoma
peacefull hippies at it again
How long before the idiots at DU blame bush?
248 posted on 09/10/2007 5:31:23 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: tgslTakoma
Hmmm. This doesn’t look like vandalism.

Ahhh... we hear from the real investigative expert now.

And your CSI credentials?

If you've seen this first-hand, you have a distinct advantage over the rest of us. It's hard to make out much in the photos. Not to criticize the photographer -- it's a tough subject unless you happen to have a portable studio on hand.

Before I go on, I want to clarify something: None of the scenarios I suggested was meant to be a "this is what happened" explanation. I's pure speculation, and if it seemed that I was claiming anything more than that, that was careless on my part. My point was that there are alternatives to the theory that has often been accepted without question in this thread.

Are the alternatives plausible? Not, to my eye, any less so than the theory that someone squirted oil at the base of the memorial in the middle of the night to make an anonymous "statement" that few people would see and no one would understand. And then addressing who did it and why just piles speculation upon speculation.

I have to ration my outrage these days. There are enough real, confirmed, documented outrages out there that if I got all het up over something that someone may or may not have done, I wouldn't have time for anything else.

But there is no grass there, and the sidewalk is approximately 8-10 feet wide; so nix that speculative pronouncement. As to a leaky edger dripping down from the grass above the wall... for that to happen, the edger would have to be hanging approximately 12-18" over the granite edge of the wall. Again, not too likely of an explanation.

True if you assume that the liquid is traveling straight down or horizontally. A fluid leaking under pressure that isn't level or plumb would be traveling in an arc.

249 posted on 09/10/2007 5:31:30 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I think Hillary, Kerry, Murtha, Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, Feinstein, and the rest of their Liberal anti-American, anti-military cohorts should be sent to clean up the Memorial. Let them put actions to their hypocritical words.


250 posted on 09/10/2007 5:33:26 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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