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Marine Team Finds Surprising Evidence Supporting A Great Biblical Flood
Science Daily ^ | September 10, 2007 | Unattributed

Posted on 09/10/2007 8:00:41 AM PDT by Ben Mugged

Did the great flood of Noah's generation really occur thousands of years ago? Was the Roman city of Caesarea destroyed by an ancient tsunami? Will pollution levels in our deep seas remain forever a mystery? ~snip~ "When I was looking for a partner, I needed to find a team of marine scientists who were leaders in their fields," says Weil, a Swedish environmental philanthropist who helped conceive and fund the idea of giving a free, floating marine research lab to any scientist who needed it. "I didn't want us to be just another Greenpeace group of environmental activists. My dream was to build the foremost research vessel for high-level scientific marine research. I wanted to be able to help provide hard scientific data and education about the real state of affairs of our oceans."

These are just a few of the questions that are being addressed by a new environmental marine research team from Tel Aviv University and the non-profit research and education organization, EcoOcean. ~Snip~

Says Weil, "We found that indeed a flood happened around that time. From core samples, we see that a flood broke through the natural barrier separating the Mediterranean Sea and the freshwater Black Sea, bringing with it seashells that only grow in a marine environment. There was no doubt that it was a fast flood -- one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel. It might not have been Noah, as it is written in the Bible, but we believe people in that region had to build boats in order to save their animals from drowning. We think that the ones who survived were fishermen -- they already had the boats."

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1 posted on 09/10/2007 8:00:47 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Ping!.............


2 posted on 09/10/2007 8:02:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Ben Mugged

The Flood was global; there have been many regional floods. These sham attempts to ‘reconcile’ science and religion don’t help.


3 posted on 09/10/2007 8:33:23 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Science is never a sham. /SARCASM


4 posted on 09/10/2007 8:44:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Flood was global; there have been many regional floods. These sham attempts to ‘reconcile’ science and religion don’t help.

Is this Black Sea event the one about 6,700 years ago?

If so, how is the evidence of this flood visible, when evidence for the supposed global flood about 4350 years ago is not?

5 posted on 09/10/2007 8:53:23 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

i thought the world was flat back then.and nobody knew about this side of the planet.and where did all the water go?


6 posted on 09/10/2007 9:11:45 AM PDT by old gringo
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To: Ben Mugged

I am a firm believer that the US, instead of mothballing its old Los Angeles class submarines when they are retired, should convert one of them to a non-military “Sea-View” research vessel.

Its primary mission would be to take oceanographic floor cores faster than a surface vessel could, to create a mineralogical map of the ocean floor for potential mining operations. The potential value of this to the US is in the tens of Trillions of dollars. This is because most of the minerals on dry land are limited to low grade ores, the highest grades gone in many places since the 17th Century.

If we can just map where the high grade minerals are, the mining companies will invest the money to figure out how to mine them.

Secondarily, the converted submarine can be used to both recover extremely dangerous waste dropped at sea, and to entomb with underwater concrete that which cannot be recovered. Ironically, it can even recover very radioactive materials, because the submarine carries a great quantity of lead bars for ballast. Lead that could shield the crew from radiation.

Third, such a boat would result in a profound leap in the study of oceanography, with top scientists being able to travel in comfort far deeper and in greater numbers than ever before.

A far better fate than slowly rusting in a dock.


7 posted on 09/10/2007 9:19:16 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Ben Mugged
The flood was for a specific purpose Genesis 6:1-7. Noah was 'elected' - 'selected' because he was perfect in his generations.... remember this is about the protection of the perfection of that blood line to Christ.

Now Moses penned these words hundreds of years after the event, and what he penned is what he was inspired to write. Now given we are told specifically why there was to be a flood, then that flood would have covered ALL the literal geography wherein these that co-mingled with the daughters of Adam inhabited.

8 posted on 09/10/2007 9:25:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Popocatapetl

Sounds interesting.

Have you put forward your ideas to the Navy?


9 posted on 09/10/2007 9:55:51 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Popocatapetl

Good idea.


10 posted on 09/10/2007 9:59:57 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Red Badger
Source: Tel Aviv University
Date: September 10, 2007

Marine Team Finds Surprising Evidence Supporting A Great Biblical Flood

Science Daily — Did the great flood of Noah's generation really occur thousands of years ago? Was the Roman city of Caesarea destroyed by an ancient tsunami? Will pollution levels in our deep seas remain forever a mystery?

The Mediterranean Explorer. (Credit: Image courtesy of EcoOcean)

These are just a few of the questions that are being addressed by a new environmental marine research team from Tel Aviv University and the non-profit research and education organization, EcoOcean.

The team, headed by EcoOcean's Andreas Weil and Prof. Sven Beer of Tel Aviv University, are working to uncover new secrets about civilization and climate change from the depths of the sea floor. They are also a conducting a large-scale study on the health of the Mediterranean Sea with Ph.D. students they sponsor. The work is being done aboard "Mediterranean Explorer", a floating marine vessel.

"When I was looking for a partner, I needed to find a team of marine scientists who were leaders in their fields," says Weil, a Swedish environmental philanthropist who helped conceive and fund the idea of giving a free, floating marine research lab to any scientist who needed it. "I didn't want us to be just another Greenpeace group of environmental activists. My dream was to build the foremost research vessel for high-level scientific marine research. I wanted to be able to help provide hard scientific data and education about the real state of affairs of our oceans."

The first and only institution that came to mind was Tel Aviv University (TAU), internationally famous for its work in marine biology. "Besides being the only university in Israel that has a dedicated marine unit, its researchers are leaders not only in Israel, but the world," says Weil, who brought a crew of TAU scientists on board as EcoOcean advisors. They include Professors Yossi Loya, Micha Ilan, Yehuda Benayahu, and Sven Beer, with Beer appointed as the chief partner and chief scientific advisor for EcoOcean.

Climate, the marine environment, and the health of humanity are inexorably intertwined, says Beer. "Marine research is more important for the future of humanity than some people realize. Marine plants provide most of the oxygen that we breathe and regulate the climate more than any other ecosystem on the planet. In the face of global warming, it is critical that we understand our seas in order to sustain life as we know it."

Prof. Beer was part of the team on board "Mediterranean Explorer" that recently headed to the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey, the site where historians believe the great biblical flood occurred. EcoOcean and an international team believe they have found evidence to substantiate what is written in the Bible.

Says Weil, "We found that indeed a flood happened around that time. From core samples, we see that a flood broke through the natural barrier separating the Mediterranean Sea and the freshwater Black Sea, bringing with it seashells that only grow in a marine environment. There was no doubt that it was a fast flood -- one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel. It might not have been Noah, as it is written in the Bible, but we believe people in that region had to build boats in order to save their animals from drowning. We think that the ones who survived were fishermen -- they already had the boats."

The action and adventure never seem to stop aboard "Mediterranean Explorer", which often plays host to visiting scientists from institutions abroad, including New York's Columbia University, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution near Boston, McMaster University in Canada, and Istanbul Technical University.

Next week the team will sail out to take underwater footage for evidence of an ancient tsunami thought to have destroyed the port city Caesarea generations ago. They will also be looking for deep-sea sea grasses, algae and sponges that had been observed earlier by researchers but were never properly investigated. "This is very interesting," says Weil, "because sea grasses are normally not found at these depths. Maybe one day one of these organisms can provide us with a new drug."

Dan Schaffer, the operations manager for EcoOcean and captain of the ship, has been working with EcoOcean for nearly four years. "I am doing a lot more than driving the boat," jokes Schaffer, who sums up the point of EcoOcean quite well. "The way I see it, we are working on three different venues. One is in education -- we are teaching children who will be our future environmental stewards. The second thing is that we have brought this research vessel to Israel and have created a platform that academics in Israel and abroad can use for maritime research. The third is that we have created a floating classroom for students in higher education. Not only can these students do science, but they learn how it is done properly in the field of oceanography."

Schaffer adds that EcoOcean is proving to be an important matchmaker to help scientists cross more than the great big seas. "Prof. Yehuda Benayahu from Tel Aviv University wanted to go to Eritrea to work on a joint project with Eritrea University," he relates. "We made that happen by bringing the know-how and encouraging USAID to supply the funding. It is a perfect story for how research between people and across continents should be done. We are looking forward to more international collaborations."

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Tel Aviv University.

11 posted on 09/10/2007 10:16:12 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Coyoteman
"Is this Black Sea event the one about 6,700 years ago?"

Ryan & Pittman , 7,600 years ago.

"For thousands of years, the legend of a great flood has endured in the biblical story of Noah and in such Middle Eastern myths as the epic of Gilgamesh. Few believed that such a catastrophic deluge had actually occurred. But now two distinguished geophysicists have discovered an event that changed history, a sensational flood 7,600 years ago in what is today the Black Sea."

12 posted on 09/10/2007 10:21:29 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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13 posted on 09/10/2007 11:53:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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14 posted on 09/10/2007 11:55:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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I would like to have heard more in the article about what the core data showed and where it was drilled. It is very interesting evidence supporting Ryan and Pittman’s theory.
15 posted on 09/10/2007 12:19:49 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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:’) Yeah, also I’d quibble, as the Black Sea flood and the flood of Noah are not the same thing, despite Ryan and Pitman’s claim to the contrary. :’)


16 posted on 09/10/2007 12:32:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; All

7,600 years ago would be about the time of the eruption of Mt. Mazama in our Northwest which left the 6 mile diameter Crater Lake. This could have seeded the air to cause many days of heavy rain and serious flooding. Other dates to look at for serious flooding are the eruption of Thera about 1626 BC, and earlier large eruption of Thera that I don’t have a date for, and the major eruption of Mt. Etna at 1500 BC plus or minus 50 years.

Recently a 2 mile diameter crater has been found in the Iraq Marshes which were drained by Saddam Hussein to destroy the Marsh Arab people. It is dated about 2,000 BC. There are apparently two periods of major disruption dated about 150 years apart. One was localized to the Mediterranian area, the other was world wide. Someone mention 2350 BC, perhaps that was the world wide event. Historically, the 2,000 BC period is recorded in the Ipuwer Papyrus, now in the Lyden Museum which describes the disturbances of what is known in Egypt as the First Intermediate Period.


17 posted on 09/10/2007 12:39:49 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Coyoteman
If so, how is the evidence of this flood visible, when evidence for the supposed global flood about 4350 years ago is not?

That's easy.
If you are hung up on the 4350-year thing, the entire question is silly.

The age of the earth has increased by over 100% since "science" put a number to its formation. That never invalidated that the earth came into existence sometime in the past. The earth is not eternal, no one has suggested that.

Well, neither is the "scientific" (factual) age of the "flood" or "floods".
First things first.

18 posted on 09/10/2007 2:01:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"The Flood was global;"

The very concept of “global” anything was completely unknown to the neolithic and early bronze age peoples of the old testament. Attempts to synthesize this meaning with a 21st century perspective is completely disingenuous.

19 posted on 09/10/2007 3:35:54 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Popocatapetl
If we can just map where the high grade minerals are, the mining companies will invest the money to figure out how to mine them.

Nope. International treaties forbid staking a claim beyond 200 miles from your own coast. People will not invest in what they cannot own.

20 posted on 09/10/2007 3:39:26 PM PDT by null and void (I have several guns....every sane person should have at least one. ~ Fawn)
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To: SunkenCiv
the Black Sea flood and the flood of Noah are not the same thing, despite Ryan and Pitman’s claim to the contrary. :’

Yes, I agree.

21 posted on 09/10/2007 3:56:42 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Publius6961
If you are hung up on the 4350-year thing, the entire question is silly.

I'm not "hung up" on the 4350 date; I think the global flood is entirely mythical, with a massive amount of scientific evidence arguing against any such event anywhere close to 4350 years ago.

But the 4350 year date is what I find Biblical scholars and creationists prefer. According to a variety of sources, the date of the global flood was:

2252 BC -- layevangelism.com

2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).

2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.

2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com

2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html

2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel

2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html

3300 BC -- http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood1.html

3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)


Here is some additional information: Problems with a Global Flood, Second Edition, by Mark Isaak.

22 posted on 09/10/2007 5:39:50 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Ben Mugged; blam; SunkenCiv
Timaeus By Plato Written 360 B.C.E Translated by Benjamin Jowett

...The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed-if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves. As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived. And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word. For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven...

23 posted on 09/10/2007 11:44:53 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

:’)


24 posted on 09/11/2007 7:10:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ben Mugged

We never doubted the flood happened.


25 posted on 09/11/2007 7:35:11 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Fred Nerks

26 posted on 09/11/2007 8:36:00 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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