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Senate votes to ban Mexican trucks
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Sep. 11, 2007 | Suzanne Gamboa

Posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:04 PM PDT by ruination

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To: Infidel1571

>>As a sovereign nation, we have no duty to pay.<<

Theoretically, that is true. However, Bush, Kennedy et. al. seem to think otherwise.


781 posted on 09/17/2007 4:55:44 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: hocndoc
Then let’s see Congress repeal the Agreement,not break in piece by piece.

A repeal is a repeal.

782 posted on 09/17/2007 4:01:35 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
“However, Bush, Kennedy et. al. seem to think otherwise.”

They don’t want us to be a sovereign nation.

783 posted on 09/17/2007 4:03:08 PM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
From Article 9 of the Constitution: No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law;

Congress has explicit and sole power to spend, or not spend, money. Idiot judges do not, if the Constitution is still the law.

US Constitution Bump!

784 posted on 09/17/2007 4:04:54 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Ben Ficklin
The US just needs to say that they have changed their mind, compensate those that lost money, and move on.

Compensate who, precisely? And then why? Because they "lost money?" Not very "free enterprise" of you. They gambled. They knew the hazard it was only a law,not a Treaty, and could be reversed on whim, or undercut and defeated at whim.

Well, now They lost. Tough cookies. Them's the breaks. Time for them to face the reality of life.

And take whatever financial lumps they have coming to them, then I say GOOD!

785 posted on 09/17/2007 4:09:44 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: elpadre
If you check FBI crime statistics and DOJ you will find unprecedented accomplishments during this Administration in every area.

Excepting...as reported in USA Today:

In fiscal year 1999, the government issued 417 notices of "intent to fine" employers for knowingly making such illegal hires. But by 2004, that number had dropped to three, according to a June 21, 2005, Government Accountability Office report. Worksite enforcement amounted to less than 5% of all of the federal government's ICE investigation activities.

786 posted on 09/17/2007 4:14:45 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Ben Ficklin
No, the document/agreement prevails.

Not when it is an ULTRA VIRES act. And not when there is clear evidence of collusion between the "negotiators" against the interest of the victim here being extorted to cave in, and demanded to pay for "their" change of mind.

787 posted on 09/17/2007 4:17:09 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Infidel1571
I agree. The Truck issue never has been a trade issue, it is essentially a border issue, an alien labor issue and also, directly, a sovereignty issue.

The larger corporations importing via Mexico want Mexicans to be substituted wherever possible to replace American's in jobs...at the appropriate pay differential they are accustomed to. With Purchasing power parity being what it is, they can take the jobs for much less to oust the U.S. truckers whether they be union or non-union. And they will rather suddenly not just be doing the two-way traffic, but suddenly ALL the traffic all the time. Anybody who doesn't think that is possible or likely, I have a bridge for them to buy in Brooklyn.

Under the guise of trade, it is a wedge to commit wholesale labor arbitrage of an entire segment, and thence set precedents for other categories.

With the U.S. compelled to accept foreign replacement workers... on its own soil...it is not long for its existence. Gulliver needs to snap these strings and start a little constructive stomping around on the CFR/NAU apple-carts. NAFTA termination would be a good start.

788 posted on 09/17/2007 4:28:14 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Infidel1571
I agree. The Truck issue never has been a trade issue, it is essentially a border issue, an alien labor issue and also, directly, a sovereignty issue.

The larger corporations importing via Mexico want Mexicans to be substituted wherever possible to replace American's in jobs...at the appropriate pay differential they are accustomed to. With Purchasing power parity being what it is, they can take the jobs for much less to oust the U.S. truckers whether they be union or non-union. And they will rather suddenly not just be doing the two-way traffic, but suddenly ALL the traffic all the time. Anybody who doesn't think that is possible or likely, I have a bridge for them to buy in Brooklyn.

Under the guise of trade, it is a wedge to commit wholesale labor arbitrage of an entire segment, and thence set precedents for other categories.

With the U.S. compelled to accept foreign replacement workers... on its own soil...it is not long for its existence. Gulliver needs to snap these strings and start a little constructive stomping around on the CFR/NAU apple-carts. NAFTA termination would be a good start.

789 posted on 09/17/2007 4:28:17 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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790 posted on 09/17/2007 6:57:54 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Paul Ross
Chapter 11 was written to protect the investors from govt actions such as this.

Likewise, Chapter 20 protected Mexico. Except, in this case, Mexico doesn't have to depend on compensation. Their $2 billion per year judgment would be realized by sanctioned retaliation.

791 posted on 09/18/2007 5:15:03 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; GOP_1900AD; AuntB; pissant
We should already be retaliating for the trade imbalance. NAFTA was not sold as a Welfare program for Mexico...which is what it proves continuously to be in practice.

It is also proving to be a litmus test of those who are corrupt among our goverment, who form unholy alliances with sleazy anti-American profiteers and their hangers-on...who nearly jammed through their Amnesty twice, and are trying again with the NIGHTMARE [DREAM] Act.

Some free trade. Its just labor arbitrage...which is NOT free trade. Core Inflation (wages) trailing drastically behind Real Inflation (Original CPI Consumer Price basket goods) demonstrates the "Iron Law Of Wages" is not obsoleted despite contrarian crap out of Cato and its apologists. It is precisely as David Ricardo predicted, labor is treated as a commodity across borders...which the Globalists seek to erase...to the cost of the majority U.S. wage-earning citizens. Even the air-heads in the CFR are recognizing it...but for purely perverse reasons...regarding it as unanticipated political fallout that needs to be ameliorated so that their program can go forward unchecked...without ever re-examining their other first premises to see if they were equally as flawed.

It is a slow-motion destruction of the U.S. industrial core and ultimately the end of the U.S. middle class which made that core, invented virtually everything and perfected the most efficient manufacturing process ever seen on the planet...and were the bedrock of the nation's self-rule and formed the greatest nation on earth.

792 posted on 09/18/2007 7:56:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
It sounds to me that the best thing for you to do is vote for Hillary.

If the dems can gain control of the two branches, they will try to re-negotiate NAFTA to add protections for the unions and environment. They/you can get even with the evil businessmen and investors.

793 posted on 09/18/2007 9:31:59 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: NapkinUser

So they take this challenge but push the Amnesty plan piece by piece behind our backs???

oh— UNIONS— that’s why....

So much for elected reps doing the right thing, or even caring one iota about what is right for the people they are supposed to be serving and representing....

they pledge allegience to the cash cow- not our country or our people....


794 posted on 09/18/2007 10:27:49 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (DUNCAN HUNTER / John Bolton '08)
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To: Ben Ficklin; AuntB; pissant; Calpernia
It sounds to me that the best thing for you to do is vote for Hillary.

Give it a rest Seminar Webber. She's your guy. No matter how much you Fifth Columnists against our country protest, you can't hide your liberalism. You undoubtedly hate these guys

because they were all, all of them (inclusive of Jefferson after 1812), for American tariffs that preferentially supported indigenous industrial independence...which you would label "protectionist" as if that were a bad thing. It wasn't:

If the dems can gain control of the two branches,

Newsflash. They already do. They have Congress along with 9-12 RINOs. And Bush is clearly one of THEM. Fifth Columnist. And then there's the Bureaucracy. That makes Four. And the MSM. That is the "Fifth Estate" in more ways than one.

They control all of these, hence they were astounded when some of their croneys chickened out when faced with "the loud people".

... they will try to re-negotiate NAFTA to add protections for the unions and environment.

First, that renegotiation is unlikely since it was Xlinton that produced it and he has unfailingly echoed Bush's defenses of it since. Second, that renegotiation if pursued would likely prove Irrelevant except as it may inadvertantly slightly level the playing field. That is not enough. We want justice for America. And the only way is if We have independence. And It is not redeemable. No more globalism. It, and its associated entry into the WTO, needs to go in its entirety...to send the appropriate message to all those who have gotten used to betraying the U.S.

"The Party's Over."

They/you can get even with the evil businessmen and investors.

Since I am one, I doubt that helps me. And I like SOME businessmen and investors who actually try to defend America, rather than backstab them like the Quislings do.

So, No. We need Duncan Hunter.

Time to restore proper governmental role to trade. Get the phoney free traitors out of the way, fire their assess from the Commerce Dept, Feds and Treasury. Personnel is policy.

So we have a slew of Quisling enablers of Chicom victory...who need to be Pink Slipped. With extreme prejudice.

795 posted on 09/18/2007 3:21:16 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: eeevil conservative

I like John Bolton on the ticket...but might he not make a better Secretary of State?


796 posted on 09/18/2007 3:22:55 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross

Boltom would be the perfect SOS!!


797 posted on 09/18/2007 3:33:40 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Paul Ross
"since it was Xlinton that produced it"

A lot of people get mixed over who signed what when.

The official signing of NAFTA was in Dec of 1992 by Bush, Mulroney, and Salinas. It was subject to approval by the Congresses/Parliament.

Even tho the dems had accepted the need for Chap 11 as a shield for US businesses/investors in Latin America, they were uncomfortable with what they saw as a lack of labor and environmental protections, so they insisted that a side, or parallel, agreement be negotiated for that.

The side agreement was negotiated and signed in '93 by Clinton.

NAFTA went into effect in 1994.

The side agreement turned out to be less than ineffective. The lawyers have turned the Chap 11 shield into a sword to attack regulatory law and the dems are fearful that the VRWC will roll back the New Deal.

This is why the dems want to open up NAFTA and put the labor and enviro protections in the agreement. Likewise, the dems will not allow the pending FTAs with side agreements.

798 posted on 09/18/2007 6:23:39 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Paul Ross
“Time to restore proper governmental role to trade. Get the phoney free traitors out of the way, fire their assess from the Commerce Dept, Feds and Treasury. Personnel is policy. “

Hear, hear!

799 posted on 09/18/2007 6:26:28 PM PDT by Infidel1571
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To: George W. Bush; Cinnamon; TomGuy
Hopefully, the voters of Texas will remember this and discriminate against Cornyn at his next primary election.

You might consider changing your screen name, GWB, seeing how the President, GWB, is all for open borders.

I use to like and admire John Cornyn, but just like many politicians in the GOP, they just don't get it. They've become economic free trade whores and have sold our sovernty to the highest foreign bidder. Cornyn and many other pols have two deaf ears and ignore their constituents.

They ignore us at their own peril and that of our country. I'm seriously wondering if the GOP will ever answer the wake-up call or if they are in cahoots in turning this country over to communist democrats and foreigners.

800 posted on 09/18/2007 6:41:33 PM PDT by right wing (The Drive-By Media Are Terrorists Too)
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