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United Nations Jurisdiction Of The Seas ? - The Law Of The Seas Treaty
Red State ^ | Ken Taylor

Posted on 09/16/2007 11:40:42 AM PDT by processing please hold

A move by the Bush administration in May of this year which fell under the radar is soon to come to the Senate. On September 27th the Senate will debate and vote on the full ratification of the United Nations Conference on the Law of the Seas or in short The Law of the Seas Treaty. The treaty in essence gives the United Nation legal jurisdiction over the planets ocean and sets up a tribunal to govern all legal claims to territorial waters, mineral rights and mining and other uses of the worlds oceans, including navigation.

The treaty which has been in existence since the first Conference dating from 1973 - 1982 has never been ratified by The United States. When first presented in 1983 President Ronald Reagan categorically refused to even sign the treaty because he felt that it impugned on United States sovereignty.

Certain portions of the treaty have been beneficial and the United States abides by these terms as a matter of international law. For instance the treaty sets basic territorial waters and prevents nations who wish to push these territorial limits from over extending the recognized waters around their shore line borders. In other words in accordance to treaty limitations a nation cannot stretch its sovereign waters to a limit of say 250 miles and expect all other nations to abide by those unreasonable limits. Yet even with the treaty some countries have over extended their territorial waters without consequence. China and North Korea are among those.

The main contention that The United States has had to the treaty is Part XI which gives the UN full legal control in all mineral rights on every seabed found on the earths oceans. Without treaty ratification if a nation finds, for instance an mineral deposit in international waters and wishes to mine it then they are free to do so. Also ratification of the treaty would place United States fishing interest under the jurisdiction of the UN. U.S. fisheries would have fishing limits set by UN control and if those limits were exceeded they would be required to turn surplus catch over to distribution by the UN.

The Treaty would also require the United States to plead any case which questions the treaty before a non - elected United Nations Tribunal which then would decide in favor or against the United States. In light of the way every UN vote is conducted in recent years and the way that the United States is treated by that vote, this tribunal would be a disaster for U.S. interests. The UN after all loves U.S. money but hates U.S. interests.

In May the Bush Administration at the behest of career diplomats in the State Department urged the United States Senate to ratify all provision of the Treaty and the vote for this ratification begins on September 27th. In the past either a Republican President like Reagan or a Republican Majority in the Senate has blocked any ratification of the treaty. Now with a Democrat Majority who favors all UN control provides a distinct possibility of fully ratifying this treaty.

The dangers for the U.S. in this ratification are as follows:

1. The U.S. would be answerable to a UN unelected tribunal for all matters which involve the Seas and ocean borders of our nation.

2. Other countries environmental regulations could be forced on the United States through the UN and our surrounding waters by international law and mandate. The harvest of our fishing waters would also fall under UN mandate which will set limits and require fishing only in certain areas and relinquishing the surplus harvest to UN distribution. The requirement would also mandate over fishing in these particular areas.

3. The treaty would mandate recognized navigation rights. This provision is not only not necessary but not wanted by US interests because these UN mandated navigational lanes are not threatened by any international law and there is not a nation who has the capability of dictating to the US where we may travel, including the Navy in the world oceans.

4. The treaty gives a blank check to the UN on the spending of money supplied by the U.S. without ANY U.S. oversight.

5. The treaty gives eminent domain rights to the UN over intellectual property. In other words the UN would have the power to seize technology.

This treaty, if ratified, would allow the United Nations a free hand over all of the worlds oceans and any mineral actions taken in the oceans would not only come under UN jurisdiction, but would be taxable to the UN without ANY outside oversight on the spending of the monies acquired. All navigational lanes would be set by UN mandate and any country traveling outside of those mandated navigational lanes, including Navy's would be subject to action by the unelected UN tribunal.

This treaty, if ratified, would transfer wealth and technology by UN mandate from industrialized nations to third world countries. In other words a world wide socialized redistribution of wealth forcing the financial equality of all nations. This treaty would create a huge United Nations bureaucracy with legal jurisdiction over the worlds oceans. The UN has failed in the past in every instance where they have been allowed to run, oversee or control any program. Remember the Iraq Oil For Food Program. Now the US Senate is poised to ratify a treaty that dwarfs the Oil for Food Program both in scope and jurisdiction.

Since the treaty was written the opposition by the U.S. has caused many nations to not sign on to the treaty. The first Bush administration and the the Clinton administration proposed provisions that supposedly corrected the flaws and the Clinton signed the treaty in 1994 which caused some Nations to follow suit and others to ratify. The GOP controlled Senate stopped ratification and many nations who had signed the treaty have not ratified in accordance to the U.S. lead.

Now the present Bush administration is backing full ratification and a Democrat Senate who back the UN and adhere to socialist policies could very likely ratify the treaty. There are 34 no votes needed to prevent ratification. Call, write or e-mail you Senator and urge them to vote against ratification. Time is short. September 27th is just around the corner. This treaty will place vital United States interests under UN control and threatens our sovereignty as a nation which cannot be allowed.

We stopped the Senate Amnesty Bill and with a similar concentrated effort by the people we can prevent the ratification of the Law of the Seas Treaty and save American sovereignty and interests.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freedom; lawoftheseatreaty; liberty; lost; nationalsovereignty; newworldodor; newworldorder; oneworldgovernment; owg; un; unclos; unitednations; unitedstates; us; usa
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To: processing please hold

There are a couple of treaties that have not been ratified yet to complete the NAU.

I had them at hand at one time; but I lost those (they may be with your bookmarks).

I think I can find them though. Will take a few searches and I can’t do that until later.

But, that post (link) is more proof showing the NAU is not a conspiracy theory!


51 posted on 09/16/2007 2:16:53 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: RightWhale
Obviously plenty of minerals of some types, but none economic to mine.

Makes me wonder why they want to go there. No country spends the money it would require to go there without there being some sort of payoff.

52 posted on 09/16/2007 2:16:58 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

A country would do it because it demonstrates national competency in hi-tech and the capability is parallel to military competence. It’s all for show and national image. They might talk about tech spin-off, but it’s kind of a lame argument.


53 posted on 09/16/2007 2:21:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: RightWhale; processing please hold

Can offensive weaponry be set up there? Or is that too far for lasers?


54 posted on 09/16/2007 2:28:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
I hope our bookmarks are happy together. I could pull my hair out. LOL

There is a time limit set for unclos - 2009.

I think I can find them though. Will take a few searches and I can’t do that until later.

If you find them, please ping me to them.

I have to start my NAU folder all over again.

Speaking of the NAU. Have you seen the courses offered at Arizona state?

http://www.asu.edu/clas/nacts/bna/

Teaching Modules: Backgrounders and Cases
Building North America Into Your Course
North American Economic Integration: General Overview
Analyzing North American Integration
Managing North America
North American Structures and ¨Sites¨of Integration
Continental Strategies of Selected North American Companies
Complete List of All Modules

55 posted on 09/16/2007 2:30:02 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: RightWhale

So they love to blow tax dollars to show how smart they are? Makes sense, ain’t their money.


56 posted on 09/16/2007 2:31:56 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Calpernia; RightWhale

I defer to RW on the topic of the Space Treaty.


57 posted on 09/16/2007 2:35:20 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: SIDENET

No one could have said it better than you did. American citizens need to forcibly relocate the United Nations to more appropriate surroundings. A great place would be Darfur, Africa. My next question is who is going to be the enforcing arm of this treaty of the sea?

If they need somebody with experience on the water perhaps they could appoint Ted Kennedy as a rear admiral.


58 posted on 09/16/2007 2:39:20 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: penowa

“Face it. We have repeatedly elected a whole lot of traitors to power in this country in both parties and they have sold us out and are on the verge of doing us in for their own benefit.”

Oorah, pen.

Boots.


59 posted on 09/16/2007 3:16:24 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: Calpernia

“Did someone know we were going to be hit the fall 2001 and want to restrict a response?”

GMTA

1st WTC hit 1993.
Operational meetings starting thereafter.
Funding approved by OBL in 1999? 2000?

Who ELSE knew? John Doe #87040-A?


60 posted on 09/16/2007 3:23:57 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: processing please hold
If you ever wonder why there is so much non-news on the news, and wonder if, perhaps someone is getting away with something while the public's attention is focused on Natalie Hollaway stories and the like, THIS is what they are getting way with.

This and countless other matters of importance are happening while we are fed "human interest" stories that merit about 5 minutes out of every 30 minutes of news.

61 posted on 09/16/2007 3:28:52 PM PDT by Montfort
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To: processing please hold

Montclair, NJ public schools have all turned into UN approved classes.


62 posted on 09/16/2007 3:33:05 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
Get a load of this site. It's pro-unclos so beware.

http://www.oceanlaw.org/index.php

A must read testimony in opposition from Jeane Kirkpatrick in '04, pdf HERE
And from William Middendorf II pdf HERE

63 posted on 09/16/2007 3:33:06 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: nicmarlo; processing please hold

Nic, do I remember you having some kind of access to EagleForum? Poster or something?

I’ve not seen this link Processing found.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1897455/posts?page=49#49


64 posted on 09/16/2007 3:35:36 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Montfort
I've wondered about that for a very long time. We are being set up for an historical fall and no ones watching.

Our attention is diverted.

65 posted on 09/16/2007 3:35:58 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Calpernia
Montclair, NJ public schools have all turned into UN approved classes.

Lord have mercy on our beloved country - for as long as he can tolerate it.

66 posted on 09/16/2007 3:38:35 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: combat_boots

>>>Funding approved by OBL in 1999? 2000?

I think it was before 1999. OKC bombing was 1995. That was planned with Abu Sayyaf. The plans for Oplan Bojinka were found in the Phillipines where Abu Sayyaf was HQ. Test runs for Bojinka were being run back in 1994. So they must have had an idea for budgets and contacts then.

REf: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1521072/posts?page=77#77

http://www.oja.moj.go.th/data/document/download/THAI%20PRESENTATION%2012-2-05.ppt
Terrorism in the Middle East

Law Enforcement Sensitive

New Trends in Financing (continued)

* Human trafficking
o Middle East (Afghanistan and Central Asian Republics)
+ Linked with organized crime—Russian Vory
o Cambodia, and Philippines
+ Linked with madrasas in Southeast Asia (children)
+ Linked with organized crime—Yakuza
+ A word about Abu Sayyaf
* Kidnapping and extortion
o Links to Hezb’Allah
o Links to FARC and ELN


67 posted on 09/16/2007 3:43:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Montfort

As an example, look at OJ being arrested. Over 360 replies.


68 posted on 09/16/2007 3:43:23 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

The last thread about this got about 8 posts. I would be totally surprised if too many even visit this. Being an ostrich has its merits. You can just pretend you knew nothing about it.

Now I could call Richard Lugar. His handlers would tell me to go suck an egg like they did the last time I contacted him.


69 posted on 09/16/2007 3:47:42 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Calpernia

I’ve sent them emails, and several times they have responded to me. No one in particular, however.

Eagle Forum DOES have information on their website about the Law of the SEA Treaty....what is it that you were wondering about, specifically? Are they missing this information there?


70 posted on 09/16/2007 3:49:46 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

This is the first time I saw this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1897455/posts?page=49#49

I’ve seen info at the CFR on the NAU. I’ve never seen that though.


71 posted on 09/16/2007 3:51:49 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

“OKC bombing was 1995.”

Agreed. The op Bojinka was named in 1995 by the US. “Bojinka” means big bang.

Do you remember when the Gorelick Wall went up?

Or what $$ Khalid Mahfouz funnelled to Clintoon/Gore?


72 posted on 09/16/2007 3:55:20 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: indylindy
The last thread about this got about 8 posts.

I know but I have to try. I have to keep pushing.

Being an ostrich has its merits. You can just pretend you knew nothing about it.

It may comfort some to say, 'I didn't know.' But I won't have that luxury. All about priorities I guess.

Anyway, I'll keep posting about it until JR tells me to knock it off. :)

73 posted on 09/16/2007 3:55:38 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: ovrtaxt; combat_boots

Ovrtaxt might! He had a great ping list going on able danger for a while. The Gorelick Wall came up often on those threads.


74 posted on 09/16/2007 4:01:56 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: processing please hold; Liz; nicmarlo; Borax Queen; ovrtaxt

You should not “knock it off”. God love ya. Even Frank Gaffney knows this is a dangerous thing. Am I crazy, or just this spring we, including JR, were fighting this? Is this FReeRepublic? or is this RINORepublican? I am having trouble telling the difference these days.

Keep up the good work. You are a patriot!


75 posted on 09/16/2007 4:02:01 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Calpernia
A search of Eagle Forum does not yield any results for "UNCLOS". It does, however, have a webpage devoted to LOST. Schlafly might be alluding to what you're talking about in this February 2005 article:

Opportunity Knocking: Defeat Law Of The Sea Treaty

Of course, Bill Clinton is for the LOST; he signed it in 1994. The LOST meshes perfectly with his speech to the United Nations in September 1997, in which he boasted of wanting to put America into a "web" of treaties for "the emerging international system."

Of course, Foreign Relations Chairman Richard Lugar is for LOST. Like Clinton, he is a Rhodes scholar and an internationalist who never saw a United Nations treaty he didn't like.

Vice President Cheney is an advocate of LOST. He doesn't have to listen to American voters because he will never again run for office....

...The real purpose of LOST is to force the United States to use our wealth and technology to mine the riches of the sea and turn them over to a gang of Third World dictators who are consumed with envy of America. Opportunity is knocking for a Republican Senator or Governor who will lead the charge against the LOST.

There's also this March 2004 article, We Should Drown Law Of The Sea, where she sends you to thomas.gov link: Law of the Sea Treaty

We thought we were rid of Bill Clinton (thanks to the 22nd Amendment), but his love affair with UN treaties and global integration has come back to haunt us. Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN) is now trying to get the Senate to ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty that Clinton signed back in 1994.
I could send Eagle Forum an email, with the link you're referring to, and see if they are aware of it, or if it's in an article (which I haven't yet seen refer directly to it...that I can tell).
76 posted on 09/16/2007 4:04:15 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: indylindy; processing please hold
Keep up the good work. You are a patriot!

Amen!

77 posted on 09/16/2007 4:05:29 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Calpernia
Remember that International Criminal Court thingy? Guess what? The first part of the paragraph is about unclos. Pay attention to the last sentence.

The treaty has never come to the Senate floor for a vote because of strong opposition from conservatives. Senator Jesse Helms, longtime chairman of the Foreign Relation Committee, blocked it for many years. Then-Senate Republican Majority Leader Bill Frist also kept it away from the Senate floor, insisting that its flaws be exposed and studied by the Senate. The liberal Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006 moved the measure up for action. Senator Joseph Biden, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, and his advisor and staff director, Antony Blinken, a former Clinton Administration official, have decided that now is the time to act.Biden is also being pressured to move the International Criminal Court treaty forward.

78 posted on 09/16/2007 4:07:06 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

Sure. Seems kind of childish, but countries are a lot like three-year-olds. Look at me!


79 posted on 09/16/2007 4:07:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: indylindy

Thank you so much. I know how much of a patriot you are as well. God bless you.


80 posted on 09/16/2007 4:09:38 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: combat_boots

>>>Or what $$ Khalid Mahfouz funnelled to Clintoon/Gore?

This site indicates that BCCI may have been involved with the SAAR Foundation. SAAR was raided in Operation Greenquest. That raid had some damning financial connections but it looked like the courts dropped the ball on it.


81 posted on 09/16/2007 4:10:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: nicmarlo

As are you, nic.


82 posted on 09/16/2007 4:11:33 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

wow


83 posted on 09/16/2007 4:12:11 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
Here's:

1) a cached link to a joint letter sent in February 2005 to Lugar (dozens of signers, including Eagle Forum) concerning the SEA treaty; and

2) the link to a PDF version of same.

84 posted on 09/16/2007 4:12:39 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: indylindy; processing please hold; Liz; nicmarlo; ovrtaxt
Keep up the good work. You are a patriot!

BTTT!

85 posted on 09/16/2007 4:12:39 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: processing please hold

ty pph!


86 posted on 09/16/2007 4:13:07 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: RightWhale
Sure. Seems kind of childish, but countries are a lot like three-year-olds. Look at me!

Ain't that the unvarnished truth - look at me. I just wish they didn't do it on our dime. lol

87 posted on 09/16/2007 4:13:29 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Calpernia

Lasers wouldn’t be much use as offensive weaponry until we get to the Death Star stage. They might be of some use as defensive weapons. The Treaty was intended to stop possible orbiting of nuclear weapons because that would reduce the warning time from 30 minutes for an ICBM broadsides flight to a couple minutes. For the same reason the Cuban missiles were a big problem. That’s all ancient tech now, but orbiting weapons would be themselves highly vulnerable and so nearly useless anymore as is the Treaty.


88 posted on 09/16/2007 4:15:44 PM PDT by RightWhale (Snow above 2000')
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To: combat_boots

When I said ‘this site’ I forgot the link:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=saar_foundation


89 posted on 09/16/2007 4:16:32 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: nicmarlo

That I’ve seen. Thanks!


90 posted on 09/16/2007 4:17:06 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
Don't forget, unclos is also the back door for kyoto(sp?)

Now we have the ICC rearing it's head again. What in God's name is wrong with our politicians?

Sometimes I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe when I see what's going on in our country.

91 posted on 09/16/2007 4:18:13 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Borax Queen

Thank you for the bump BQ. Bless you. :)


92 posted on 09/16/2007 4:19:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Calpernia

yw; let me know if you need some more searching. I cannot find anything specifically about this (so far) there.


93 posted on 09/16/2007 4:19:51 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

You’re welcome FRiend.


94 posted on 09/16/2007 4:20:14 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

Glad you’re on the right team, pph.


95 posted on 09/16/2007 4:20:50 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: processing please hold

Beware of anything that gives the UN an independent source of income, from which they may raise their own armed forces independent of any member country


96 posted on 09/16/2007 4:22:20 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: processing please hold
BTTT

/jasper

97 posted on 09/16/2007 4:23:21 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie!!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

“an independent source of income, from which they may raise their own armed forces independent of any member “

Like for use on the impending superhighway straight up this country from an entry point in Baja


98 posted on 09/16/2007 4:28:41 PM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: nicmarlo

TY. So are you. ;)


99 posted on 09/16/2007 4:30:48 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: nicmarlo

Oh no. I’m fine. I was just clicking through those links at post 49 and the databases in there were, unnerving.

Thanks!


100 posted on 09/16/2007 4:31:17 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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